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Printablewhodknee said: I wouldn't call Bobby Brown's album a NJS album. My Prerogative and I'll be Good To You are the only songs that fit the bill. Babyface had his own style. Full Force was an important production group but they didn't have that New Jack Swing sound. To my ears they were more reliant on drum beats whereas Teddy emphasized those keyboard/synthesizer sounds. Teddy had his NJS flava as did FF, Jam and Lewis, LaFACE, Devante, Dallas Austin, Eddie F., Al B Sure,, etc. They all had their own distinct sound as far as production but it was all New Jack Swing and it was all the hype in the late 80s and early 90s. I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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Adisa said: whodknee said: I wouldn't call Bobby Brown's album a NJS album. My Prerogative and I'll be Good To You are the only songs that fit the bill. Babyface had his own style. Full Force was an important production group but they didn't have that New Jack Swing sound. To my ears they were more reliant on drum beats whereas Teddy emphasized those keyboard/synthesizer sounds. Teddy had his NJS flava as did FF, Jam and Lewis, LaFACE, Devante, Dallas Austin, Eddie F., Al B Sure,, etc. They all had their own distinct sound as far as production but it was all New Jack Swing and it was all the hype in the late 80s and early 90s. I guess we're operating on different understandings of what New Jack Swing is. I'm no musician and nor do I really care for labels. However, when the sounds are distinct, as you mentioned, they are often given labels. Riley's particular sound was referred to as New Jack Swing. As far as I know that wasn't an all-encompassing label given to everyone you just mentioned. |
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phunkdaddy said: murph said: I feel u...But what I'm saying is Full Force had nothing to do with New Jack Swing...They planted as much of a seed to the the sound as did Kashif...Which means virtually little....What they (Full Force, Kashif and others) did, however, is extend R&B's sound, which is always needed when you are dealing with the evolution of any musical genre...They should be given their props for that.. But not as much as Teddy.... And again, where are you getting your info about Sweat's Make It Last Forever from? And you say you are not trying to downplay Riley's impact?....lol Here are the songs produced on that album by Teddy...As you will see it was more than just one song: "Something Just Ain't Right" (Keith Sweat/Teddy Riley) "Right and A Wrong Way" (Sweat/Riley) "Tell Me It's Me You Want" (Sweat/Riley) "I Want Her" (Sweat/Riley) "Make It Last Forever" (featuring Jacci McGhee) (Sweat/Riley) "How Deep Is Your Love" (Sweat/Riley) Riley basically produced the entire album except two songs ("In The Rain," and "Don't Stop Your Love")...And yes, he produced virtually ALL the singles.... My point with bringing up all those other early '80s R&B acts before Teddy single handedly created the New Jack Swing sound was to underline the point that his musical impact simply meant more....And Teddy's ego wasn't the downfall of Guy...It was Aaron Hall going crazy...lol...As for the other stuff about R&B acts wanting to be rappers, that has little to do with what we are talking about... Peace.... [Edited 3/21/10 15:29pm] Check the credits on line. He and Keith Sweat co wrote most of the songs and Teddy co produced some of the songs. He wasn't the sole producer of the album like you are trying to credit him. Keith Sweat was basically the project's main producer. I even remember Keith Sweat saying this on Video Soul during his debut album. Please check the album credits. Teddy is credited as co producer on half the songs. Keith definitely co-produced the album and co-wrote all the tracks he and Riley did. | |
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Timmy84 said: phunkdaddy said: Check the credits on line. He and Keith Sweat co wrote most of the songs and Teddy co produced some of the songs. He wasn't the sole producer of the album like you are trying to credit him. Keith Sweat was basically the project's main producer. I even remember Keith Sweat saying this on Video Soul during his debut album. Please check the album credits. Teddy is credited as co producer on half the songs. Keith definitely co-produced the album and co-wrote all the tracks he and Riley did. Guys...who said anything about songwriting credits?....lol...I said "produced"....Teddy was the producer, Sweat wrote/co-wrote the lyrics...I think that's two different things....Sweat's contribution to that album was huge as a song lyricist....And no one should deny that....But Riley's contribution was huge as a producer...That's two different animals....I'm sure Sweat gave Riley some ideas about how he wanted the album to sound....But that's entirely different than being the main lyricist which Sweat vs being the producer responsible for the actual tracks [Edited 3/22/10 18:47pm] | |
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