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Printable728huey said: lastdecember said:
NoVideo said:
Exactly there are many and just saying "LA u blew it" is a scapegoat. there are tons of reasons. For Rihanna, lets face it, her albums have always sold slower and slower, but this record early on was WAY too soon after the incident, and the image change, scared people and honestly the first few singles kind of stunk, other songs were better and now the image is being adjusted to sell. As for MARIAH, people, can we just accept this now, she is 41, trying to do music that will sell to teens, i mean like her or hate her you cannot deny that she is NOT catering to what will get her played regardless of material being good or bad. The fact is MC still sells pretty well for her age with a loyal base, she is just past her radio hit days, accept it, the time has passed, live with it, so many others do. It's one thing to blame LA Reid for the poor album sales by Mariah and Rihanna; unless you're a country artist or older adult contemporary artist, no one is selling albums like they used to. And while hip-hop and R&B dominated the charts in the early to mid part of the 2000's, they have taken the biggest hit in sales the past few years. Mostly because much of the material released has been crap, but also because they have focused mainly on singles and ringtones, which can be easily downloaded legally and illegally. Now as far as spending is concerned, the higher-ups at Universal music have a reason to be concerned about spending wildly for artists who are providing diminishing returns. The record companies were already suffering financially in the last decade - much of it self-inflicted damage - but with the global recession reaching into just about everything, every CEO is looking at their bottom lines like hawks. And unless you're a bailed-out Wall Street bank, no one is going to be spending money on anything unless it is sure to guarantee some type of financial return on investment. So if LA Reid is still spending money like it's the late 1990's, he's going to find himself with a pink slip and pushed out on the street really soon.  ----- Co-Sign. I believe he was canned from Arista for the same wild spending. | |
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midiscover said: and they're still boring.
 ----- But they have talent and that is what the public wants. | |
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errant said: how many times is this going to happen before people stop putting L.A. Reid in charge of anything?
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seeingvoices12 said: Timmy84 said: I know one thing if my artist was doing around 500,000 or more I'll be happy, if that artist was still below it after a full year, I'll be worried. Rihanna's safe, Mariah isn't.
Didn't we tell Mariah that already Timmy? I mean, Releasing album after album after album  , she is everywhere and overexposing herself yet she didn't sell 1 million records since September  , stop releasing an album every year if you are not selling well, and I say, disappear for at least 4 or 5 years Mariah is too spoiled. For someone who's about to be 40 and has been in the business for 20 years, she clearly thinks staying on the scene releasing pop drivel will help her stay relevant lol | |
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laurarichardson said: midiscover said: and they're still boring.
----- But they have talent and that is what the public wants.  | |
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Ottensen said: midiscover said: and they're still boring.
okay, I feel better now   | |
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They need to shut him down.
He can put The Deele back together and go tour the "round the block" circuit. "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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sosgemini said: Sade and Maxwell sold. I'm happy.
I feel the same way. Those two cd's are excellent. I couldn't care less about all that other shit. As far as Rhianna goes, she can't sing and the bad girl image is stale. Mariah is just plain boring. | |
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Empress said: sosgemini said: Sade and Maxwell sold. I'm happy.
I feel the same way. Those two cd's are excellent. I couldn't care less about all that other shit. As far as Rhianna goes, she can't sing and the bad girl image is stale. Mariah is just plain boring. And Sade isn't | |
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midiscover said: Mariah flopped and dropped from the charts. Rihanna didn't. Rated R is a consistent saler and "Rude Boy" seems to be doing fine on the charts, radio and iTunes.
Rhianna is only like 300,000 in sales away from Mariah. And, that's with the big media blitz and constitent radio play for all her singles. | |
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paisleypark4 said: LA and Quincy really lost their touch...
However they are NOT to blame. LA Should have definitley asked Mariah twice not to do this to her album...but that was her call and the audience have spoken..nobody wants that mess...having the Dream produce her WHOLE album...lost her mind. Not sure if she cares about her career status musically. People tired of Hip Hop. He oversaw the project. It was his idea to make I Want To Know What Love Is the second single off the back of Obsessed. It was his idea to make Bye Bye the second single on E=MC, and he wanted That Chick for the first single. And, if he would have had his way Say Something would've been the lead single for the Mimi album. That was the only single on that album to do nada. Yeah your right LA is blameless | |
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carlcranshaw said: They need to shut him down.
He can put The Deele back together and go tour the "round the block" circuit. | |
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It might also bear mentioning that L.A. Reid flew to Belize via private jet in February for the purpose of securing a $1M recording contract with former Bad Boy alumnus (and ex-con) Shyne. I don't see him as a leading artist who's guaranteed to create buzz or generate sales. This kind of spending has been criticized for the most part as being unjustified. [Edited 3/11/10 10:43am] | |
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raffi said: Empress said: I feel the same way. Those two cd's are excellent. I couldn't care less about all that other shit. As far as Rhianna goes, she can't sing and the bad girl image is stale. Mariah is just plain boring. And Sade isn't Not in my opinion. She is a talented singer who does not get by with fancy shit and shaking her ass. All she needs is her voice and her great band. | |
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Identity said: It might also bear mentioning that L.A. Reid flew to Belize via private jet in February for the purpose of securing a $1M recording contract with former Bad Boy alumnus (and ex-con) Shyne. I don't see him as a leading artist who's guaranteed to create buzz or generate sales. This kind of spending has been criticized for the most part as being unjustified.
[Edited 3/11/10 10:43am] Can u say.....kickbacks? | |
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paisleypark4 said: LA and Quincy really lost their touch...
However they are NOT to blame. LA isn't to blame? At this point, a pattern is emerging.... | |
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NoVideo said: I liked the Rihanna album but it was a hard commercial sell - there weren't alot of upbeat pop songs. And the Mariah Carey album was just horrible - a difficult product to sell. I think there are many factors at work here.
The next CDs will 10 x "S.O.S." Suburban white girls loved that song....("Tainted Love") It wasn't dance... . | |
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raffi said: midiscover said: Mariah flopped and dropped from the charts. Rihanna didn't. Rated R is a consistent saler and "Rude Boy" seems to be doing fine on the charts, radio and iTunes.
Rhianna is only like 300,000 in sales away from Mariah. And, that's with the big media blitz and constitent radio play for all her singles. Only?
Rated R is close to platinum in the states alone. Mariah flopped harder than her stomach when she releases that girdle. | |
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Timmy84 said: carlcranshaw said: They need to shut him down.
He can put The Deele back together and go tour the "round the block" circuit. He can go get Babyface too and they can play "Body Talk" and "Two Occasions" so this lady on YouTube (whomever she is) can get her money. "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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errant said: paisleypark4 said: LA and Quincy really lost their touch...
However they are NOT to blame. LA isn't to blame? At this point, a pattern is emerging.... well..the songs sucked too  Straight Jacket Funk Affair
Album plays and love for vinyl records. | |
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errant said: paisleypark4 said: LA and Quincy really lost their touch...
However they are NOT to blame. LA isn't to blame? At this point, a pattern is emerging.... A blame for what exactly? Competing to release the same bullshit all of these records label are as guilty of? Yes, a pattern IS emerging, and LA is only a "small part" of it. | |
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A pattern's been "emerging" since 2000. | |
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babybugz said: Antonio L.A. Reid has found himself in hot water after being accused of mishandling many of his label’s biggest projects during the last year. The Island Def Jam CEO has reportedly been facing pressure from Lucian Grainge, the new Universal Music Group CEO, following his rampant spending and the incredibly low sales of Mariah Carey and Rihanna’s recent releases. Moreover, Reid’s recent efforts to sign Jennifer Lopez (who has not had a hit record in years) have made him the target of serious media criticism.
Reid was scheduled to answer questions from fellow industry moguls regarding the issue at the Billboard 2010 Music & Money Symposium at the St. Regis last week but failed to make an appearance after one of his sons mysteriously fell ill. To date, Carey’s ‘Memoirs of An Imperfect Angel’ has sold just short of 500k units since it’s release in September while Rihanna’s ‘Rated R’ has only shipped 2.5 worldwide compared to the 2.6 million that her ‘Good Girl Gone Bade’ album sold in the US alone http://thatgrapejuice.net...hs-albums/ The Game's changed...not really his Fault....Really  "Who gon' clean up all deez Flowers" ----Eddie Murphy as mr. clarence | |
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carlcranshaw said: Timmy84 said: He can go get Babyface too and they can play "Body Talk" and "Two Occasions" so this lady on YouTube (whomever she is) can get her money. PAY ME!!!  Space for sale... | |
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midiscover said: raffi said: Rhianna is only like 300,000 in sales away from Mariah. And, that's with the big media blitz and constitent radio play for all her singles. Only?
Rated R is close to platinum in the states alone. Mariah flopped harder than her stomach when she releases that girdle. | |
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Oh well.....him & babyface can always put THE DEELE back 2gether!!!!!
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midiscover said: raffi said: Rhianna is only like 300,000 in sales away from Mariah. And, that's with the big media blitz and constitent radio play for all her singles. Only?
Rated R is close to platinum in the states alone. Mariah flopped harder than her stomach when she releases that girdle. Rated R is at 700k. That's not exactly close to me. Close is like 900k which your little island goat girl isn't at. They only shipped 500k of Mariah's album. You take the PR blitz plus Rhi Rhi's videos, and 700k isn't even going to let them break even. If Mariah's a flop so is your girl Rhianna. You're crazy if you think what she's sold so far is covering the costs of her videos and promo. | |
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raffi said: midiscover said: Only?
Rated R is close to platinum in the states alone. Mariah flopped harder than her stomach when she releases that girdle. Hold up - She's not my girl. I don't use. The fact remains that Memoirs of a Flop straight skydived off the charts. Rated R hasn't since the day it released. It IS a consistent selling album. Deal. | |
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older article prior to release of her album, but thought it relevant to this topic.
Mariah Carey Backlash New 'Memoirs of An Imperfect Angel' Album Off To Bad Start Mariah Carey seems to be facing a backlash lately that is similar to what she faced back in 2001 with Glitter. It's hard to zero in on one thing, but here are some factors that are contributing to Mariah's demise. E=MC2 Commercial Disappointment Months before the original release date for her upcoming album, Mariah had already been receiving bad buzz. Just before the release of the single “Obsessed,” many have noted that many of Mariah Carey’s previous singles from E=MC2, an album Mariah released in April of 2008, have performed poorly. After the number one hit “Touch My Body,” the single “Goodbye” peaked at number 19, and the rest of the singles from the album failed to make the top 40. For someone known for scoring hits, this is considered a major disappointment. Obsessed “Obsessed,” the first single from Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel, received excellent reviews. However, radio programmers and listeners have not been so kind. A month after the single received its first airing, the song has failed to crack the radio airplay charts. The song was held back from an iTunes release until the week ending July 11: This is something that record companies do in order to guarantee a high debut. “Obsessed” was digitally released on Tuesday morning, July 7, to possibly take commercial advantage of Mariah’s performance at Michael Jackson’s funeral. It climbed to number 4 on the iTunes chart , ensuring a debut at number 11 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart. However, the song has since declined in sales and drops to number 20 in only its second week on Billboard. Making things worse for Mariah are some of her most faithful fans. One, in particular, has set up a site calling for donations from other fans to help the single on the charts. Mariah Album Delayed When a superstar delays an album after the first single fails (relatively speaking), the announcement is not met with open arms. A Perez Hilton headline reads, “Trouble!!! Mariah’s New Album Delayed!” Idolator posted an article that states,“Could there also be panic over the cool response that the album’s lead single “Obsessed” has received from radio and retail so far?” Mariah Carey at Michael Jackson Memorial Some have suggested that Mariah Carey used Michael Jackson’s memorial to promote the single “Obsessed” since it was released to iTunes the same exact morning. Overall, Mariah has received a lot of negative publicity for her performance of the Jackson 5 hit, “I’ll Be There.” Many have concluded that Mariah Carey has lost her singing ability. Whitney Houston Another power-voiced diva who is always compared to Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, is scheduled to release a new album in the next couple months as well. As Mariah found out with The Emancipation of Mimi. the media just loves a comeback. Talk over Whitney Houston’s new album I Look to You seems to be taking up space that Mariah usually gets. Conclusion: Mariah Carey Faces Uphill Battle with New Release People like to tear down celebrities as fast as they build them up. Mariah Carey is experiencing this for the second time in her career. She broke down the first time after both the movie and album Glitter were commercial bombs. The possible flop of Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel may not be a bad thing according to many long-time fans who say this could force Mariah to re-examine her act and be more resourceful with her talents. link> http://modern-pop-music.s...y_backlash 
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Making things worse for Mariah are some of her most faithful fans. One, in particular, has set up a site calling for donations from other fans to help the single on the charts
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