Mong said:

Are you talking about lil' old me? Did you miss me sweetie?

I haven't been online for a little while because I have a life. I go to work and take classes at night.
No, I still haven't changed my mind. Yes, racism/prejudice is still one of the reasons why the UKers hate Craig David. Yes, the dumb ass actor that created Bo Selecta has issues with race and is probably jealous of Craig David because the character isn't funny, it's just mean-spirited. I'll repeat myself once again, racism is everywhere and the UK isn't an exception. Some UKers, especially UKers of Caucasian descent, refuse to admit this and get pissy when some people put their biz in the streets, so there. Are you satisfied now?
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in an attempt to make the thread more positive


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jeami said:

I think it's a good thing that you're attending those therapy classes. You really need them.

bboy87 said:

WTF? When was this, 1971? People are SO damn passe, sometimes.

Harlepolis said:

Yeah, when he released his second album, the US label (Atlantic) didn't know how to market him, either as pop or R&B and felt it would look better if he had a black guitarist instead of a white guitarist

Fraiser's talented, color shouldn't have nothing to do it

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Tbh, the Craig David character was about the only bit I ever liked about Bo Selecta. I think it also kind of gently encapsulates why he gets a hard time here. I don't think it's got anything to do with mocking his blackness. The gag is really that this guy doing these slick, American-style tunes about jacuzzis, 4x4s, and having 'makin' love' all week is actually a working-class lad from a grim Northern town in England. (For Americans: the way he's portrayed is modeled on central character from the film Kes by Ken Loach - a bleak, social realist drama about working-class life - right down to the kestrel that becomes his pet). That's only horrible if you think you're above those people; otherwise, it's just a funny juxtaposition - with perhaps a little bit of a gentle ribbing that says 'don't forget where you come from' thrown in.

The press probably pick up more unforgivingly on that notion of someone 'selling out' to crack the American market. Is there a touch of racism in that? Possibly. After all, didn't The Beatles and The Rolling Stones build their careers on copying the black American music of their day? Plus, they pick up on the ego. (But, again, Oasis??) So, you could say it's a case of a black act getting held to a different standard of account, and getting their 'Britishness' thrown into question a bit more readily. But that should be qualified by saying that the tabloid press here is generally imbued with a general mean-spiritedness, and more or less subtle forms of racism, that represent the worst aspects of British culture, rather than what's typical.
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this thread sure went to shit.

Marrk said:

Craig David's ego has got nothing on Beverley Knight's, and CD actually has some form of chart success to back it up.

I hear his latest album is a bunch of uninspired covers, which makes him no better than Peter Andre in my book.


Anyway, I really really loved the acoustic version of 'Don't Love You No More (I'm Sorry)' from a few years ago:




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Ellie said:

Yeah, Signed Sealed Delivered is mostly covers with I think 3 or 4 new songs. I'm not sure how it's gonna do, although I think he has a hit on his hand with All Alone Tonight

What I think really happened in the UK was that when he first came out, he was attached to the UK Garage scene and then for his subsequent albums it was more R&B tinged which is almost a different audience - certainly less club orientated like the debut was. Of course I actually like all the acoustic stuff he does.

I remember being at college at the time and everyone was into Garage music (except me). He still has an audience but it's the equivalent of the Bee Gees not being able to replicate the Saturday Night Fever success going in to the 80s. They still had a good career, but the Disco era had gone and changed in to something else.

Ellie said:

That's what I think too. Born To Do It was when UKG/ 2step was huge (I would've loved to have been in the UK in 1999-2001) but when Slicker Than Your Average came out, it didn't have the energy of BTDI

his next album "The Story Goes" was an improvement though, and yeah, I love all the acoustic stuff he does also. He should've done an album of acoustic songs instead

Believe me you would not have loved it if you were here. If I ever, and I mean EVER hear 'Do You Really Like It' by DJ Pied Piper or 'Flowers' by Sweet Female Attitude on the radio again, I may not be responsible for my actions.

If I hear 'Sweet Like Chocolate' then I guarantee I will get violent. It was the same time when all teenagers started getting mobile phones as and customising ringtones
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Ellie said:

I actually love "Flowers" I listened to it the other day matter of fact
I was trying to get my hands on as much UK Garage tracks that I could and at age 14 and living in the states, it was kinda hard

I loved the 2 step sound, I would've fit in perfectly

Ellie said:

i LOOOOOVE that song. and the video. i remember hearing that and "best friend" by Toy Box a lot that summer.


sweet like chocolate boy...sweet like chocolaaaaate!

CHIC0 said:

I just had to listen to it to remember it. I can see someone getting irritated with that one

I liked Artful Dodger's Twentyfourseven


Wookie's Battle, MJ Cole's Hold On To Me and Free My Mind are favorites of mine too

c'mon bboy!! grab ellie!!

bboy87 said:

i love that one. hadn't heard it in a while. i've never seen the video.
and is that Natalie from All Saints?!?

Ellie said:

Yeah, Beverley suffers from the Mica Paris syndrome...both of them think that they're incredible singers. One of them is right though...and it ain't the screechy voiced one...

Mong said:

I think they can both sing, but with Bev Knight it's this huge sense of entitlement just because she can scream her lungs out. Someone needs to tell her to get some good songs on top of that.

You Americans need to stop listening to BBC 1Xtra and start listening to BBC 6Music!! 6Music is the best damn radio station there is and yet they're closing it next year because it costs too much to run. 6Music needs our support

Mong said:

Mica is a phenomenal singer.

Ellie said:

....but I like 1Xtra

Mong said:

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This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're obviously trying to change the subject again to cover up your closeted racism/prejudice that's being exposed.
People that want to be therapists take therapy classes, not their patients, you bigoted idiot.
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You are insane and definitely need help. Can you point out where I've stated anything that could be construed as racist? You're the bigot who has a lot to learn. Back to the blackboard for you...or is that racist too?

bboy87 said:

Nice pad. That boy must suck some mean cock.

dag said:

Those often aren't their real houses.

Why is this New Craig album covers? I like him but hmmm

Mong said:

Don't get mad at me just because I have a valid opinion. I still haven't changed my mind and I'm not going to because I'm right. Stop trying to change the subject because it makes you feel uncomfortable.

babybugz said:

He said he wanted to do a covers album when "Trust Me" was released but was still considering it, so it's been in the cards for some time

The lead single isn't too good IMO (the remix is alot better) but other songs on the set like I Wonder Why, All Alone Tonight, and his version of Just My Imagination are good.