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Reply #60 posted 03/11/10 9:40pm

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Funny how jeami has gone all quiet smile


Are you talking about lil' old me? Did you miss me sweetie? wave

I haven't been online for a little while because I have a life. I go to work and take classes at night.
No, I still haven't changed my mind. Yes, racism/prejudice is still one of the reasons why the UKers hate Craig David. Yes, the dumb ass actor that created Bo Selecta has issues with race and is probably jealous of Craig David because the character isn't funny, it's just mean-spirited. I'll repeat myself once again, racism is everywhere and the UK isn't an exception. Some UKers, especially UKers of Caucasian descent, refuse to admit this and get pissy when some people put their biz in the streets, so there. Are you satisfied now?
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Reply #61 posted 03/12/10 2:12am

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in an attempt to make the thread more positive


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Reply #62 posted 03/12/10 3:40am

Mong

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Mong said:

Funny how jeami has gone all quiet smile


Are you talking about lil' old me? Did you miss me sweetie? wave

I haven't been online for a little while because I have a life. I go to work and take classes at night.
No, I still haven't changed my mind. Yes, racism/prejudice is still one of the reasons why the UKers hate Craig David. Yes, the dumb ass actor that created Bo Selecta has issues with race and is probably jealous of Craig David because the character isn't funny, it's just mean-spirited. I'll repeat myself once again, racism is everywhere and the UK isn't an exception. Some UKers, especially UKers of Caucasian descent, refuse to admit this and get pissy when some people put their biz in the streets, so there. Are you satisfied now?
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I think it's a good thing that you're attending those therapy classes. You really need them.
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Reply #63 posted 03/12/10 3:42am

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LOL @ the notion tha Bo Selecta is racist. That's a lost argument rght there. If you don't get it then fine, but calling it racist when you have clearly only ever seen the lampooning of black celebrities is ridiculous. I can thinking of 4 black people that are portrayed on that show (Craig David, Michael Jackson, Mel B and Trisha) and everyone else is of another colour.

As for racism talk, Craig David is actually of mixed heritage. I remember a big fuss being made when he was promoting his stuff in the USA at the time and his American tour managers told him to get rid of the white members of his band because it might "confuse" audiences. I applauded Craig's response to that as he went public with it and refused to comply, announcing that he was proud of everywhere where he came from and thought it was a ridiculous request.

Here's one of the articles: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...480365.stm
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Yep. They wanted him to get rid of his guitarist nod


WTF? hmm When was this, 1971? rolleyes People are SO damn passe, sometimes.
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Reply #64 posted 03/12/10 3:49am

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Yep. They wanted him to get rid of his guitarist nod


WTF? hmm When was this, 1971? rolleyes People are SO damn passe, sometimes.

Yeah, when he released his second album, the US label (Atlantic) didn't know how to market him, either as pop or R&B and felt it would look better if he had a black guitarist instead of a white guitarist

Fraiser's talented, color shouldn't have nothing to do it

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Reply #65 posted 03/12/10 4:40am

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Tbh, the Craig David character was about the only bit I ever liked about Bo Selecta. I think it also kind of gently encapsulates why he gets a hard time here. I don't think it's got anything to do with mocking his blackness. The gag is really that this guy doing these slick, American-style tunes about jacuzzis, 4x4s, and having 'makin' love' all week is actually a working-class lad from a grim Northern town in England. (For Americans: the way he's portrayed is modeled on central character from the film Kes by Ken Loach - a bleak, social realist drama about working-class life - right down to the kestrel that becomes his pet). That's only horrible if you think you're above those people; otherwise, it's just a funny juxtaposition - with perhaps a little bit of a gentle ribbing that says 'don't forget where you come from' thrown in.

The press probably pick up more unforgivingly on that notion of someone 'selling out' to crack the American market. Is there a touch of racism in that? Possibly. After all, didn't The Beatles and The Rolling Stones build their careers on copying the black American music of their day? Plus, they pick up on the ego. (But, again, Oasis??) So, you could say it's a case of a black act getting held to a different standard of account, and getting their 'Britishness' thrown into question a bit more readily. But that should be qualified by saying that the tabloid press here is generally imbued with a general mean-spiritedness, and more or less subtle forms of racism, that represent the worst aspects of British culture, rather than what's typical.
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Reply #66 posted 03/12/10 4:44am

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this thread sure went to shit. lol
Yeah, we'll, we'll try to imagine what silence looks like.
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Reply #67 posted 03/12/10 6:14am

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this thread sure went to shit. lol

razz lol
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Reply #68 posted 03/12/10 8:34am

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Craig David's ego has got nothing on Beverley Knight's, and CD actually has some form of chart success to back it up.

I hear his latest album is a bunch of uninspired covers, which makes him no better than Peter Andre in my book.


Anyway, I really really loved the acoustic version of 'Don't Love You No More (I'm Sorry)' from a few years ago:




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Reply #69 posted 03/12/10 8:36am

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Craig David's ego has got nothing on Beverley Knight's, and CD actually has some form of chart success to back it up.

I hear his latest album is a bunch of uninspired covers, which makes him no better than Peter Andre in my book.

Anyway, I really really loved the acoustic version of 'Don't Love You No More (I'm Sorry' from a few years ago:




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Yeah, Signed Sealed Delivered is mostly covers with I think 3 or 4 new songs. I'm not sure how it's gonna do, although I think he has a hit on his hand with All Alone Tonight
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Reply #70 posted 03/12/10 8:41am

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What I think really happened in the UK was that when he first came out, he was attached to the UK Garage scene and then for his subsequent albums it was more R&B tinged which is almost a different audience - certainly less club orientated like the debut was. Of course I actually like all the acoustic stuff he does.

I remember being at college at the time and everyone was into Garage music (except me). He still has an audience but it's the equivalent of the Bee Gees not being able to replicate the Saturday Night Fever success going in to the 80s. They still had a good career, but the Disco era had gone and changed in to something else.
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Reply #71 posted 03/12/10 8:47am

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What I think really happened in the UK was that when he first came out, he was attached to the UK Garage scene and then for his subsequent albums it was more R&B tinged which is almost a different audience - certainly less club orientated like the debut was. Of course I actually like all the acoustic stuff he does.

I remember being at college at the time and everyone was into Garage music (except me). He still has an audience but it's the equivalent of the Bee Gees not being able to replicate the Saturday Night Fever success going in to the 80s. They still had a good career, but the Disco era had gone and changed in to something else.

That's what I think too. Born To Do It was when UKG/ 2step was huge (I would've loved to have been in the UK in 1999-2001) but when Slicker Than Your Average came out, it didn't have the energy of BTDI

his next album "The Story Goes" was an improvement though, and yeah, I love all the acoustic stuff he does also. He should've done an album of acoustic songs instead nod
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Reply #72 posted 03/12/10 8:53am

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Believe me you would not have loved it if you were here. If I ever, and I mean EVER hear 'Do You Really Like It' by DJ Pied Piper or 'Flowers' by Sweet Female Attitude on the radio again, I may not be responsible for my actions.

If I hear 'Sweet Like Chocolate' then I guarantee I will get violent. It was the same time when all teenagers started getting mobile phones as and customising ringtones dead
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Reply #73 posted 03/12/10 8:58am

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Believe me you would not have loved it if you were here. If I ever, and I mean EVER hear 'Do You Really Like It' by DJ Pied Piper or 'Flowers' by Sweet Female Attitude on the radio again, I may not be responsible for my actions.

If I hear 'Sweet Like Chocolate' then I guarantee I will get violent. It was the same time when all teenagers started getting mobile phones as and customising ringtones dead
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lol I actually love "Flowers" I listened to it the other day matter of fact
I was trying to get my hands on as much UK Garage tracks that I could and at age 14 and living in the states, it was kinda hard neutral

I loved the 2 step sound, I would've fit in perfectly lol
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Reply #74 posted 03/12/10 9:33am

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If I hear 'Sweet Like Chocolate' then I guarantee I will get violent.



i LOOOOOVE that song. and the video. touched i remember hearing that and "best friend" by Toy Box a lot that summer. boxed


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Reply #75 posted 03/12/10 9:48am

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CHIC0 said:

Ellie said:



If I hear 'Sweet Like Chocolate' then I guarantee I will get violent.



i LOOOOOVE that song. and the video. touched i remember hearing that and "best friend" by Toy Box a lot that summer. boxed


sweet like chocolate boy...sweet like chocolaaaaate! dancing jig

I just had to listen to it to remember it. I can see someone getting irritated with that one lol

I liked Artful Dodger's Twentyfourseven


Wookie's Battle, MJ Cole's Hold On To Me and Free My Mind are favorites of mine too biggrin
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Reply #76 posted 03/12/10 9:55am

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c'mon bboy!! grab ellie!! dancing jig dancing jig dancing jig



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Reply #77 posted 03/12/10 9:58am

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I liked Artful Dodger's Twentyfourseven


Wookie's Battle, MJ Cole's Hold On To Me and Free My Mind are favorites of mine too biggrin



i love that one. hadn't heard it in a while. i've never seen the video.
and is that Natalie from All Saints?!?
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Reply #78 posted 03/12/10 10:24am

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Craig David's ego has got nothing on Beverley Knight's, and CD actually has some form of chart success to back it up.


Yeah, Beverley suffers from the Mica Paris syndrome...both of them think that they're incredible singers. One of them is right though...and it ain't the screechy voiced one...
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Reply #79 posted 03/12/10 11:49am

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Mong said:

Ellie said:

Craig David's ego has got nothing on Beverley Knight's, and CD actually has some form of chart success to back it up.


Yeah, Beverley suffers from the Mica Paris syndrome...both of them think that they're incredible singers. One of them is right though...and it ain't the screechy voiced one...

I think they can both sing, but with Bev Knight it's this huge sense of entitlement just because she can scream her lungs out. Someone needs to tell her to get some good songs on top of that.
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Reply #80 posted 03/12/10 11:51am

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You Americans need to stop listening to BBC 1Xtra and start listening to BBC 6Music!! 6Music is the best damn radio station there is and yet they're closing it next year because it costs too much to run. 6Music needs our support sad
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Reply #81 posted 03/12/10 12:05pm

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Ellie said:

Craig David's ego has got nothing on Beverley Knight's, and CD actually has some form of chart success to back it up.


Yeah, Beverley suffers from the Mica Paris syndrome...both of them think that they're incredible singers. One of them is right though...and it ain't the screechy voiced one...


Mica is a phenomenal singer.
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Reply #82 posted 03/12/10 12:13pm

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You Americans need to stop listening to BBC 1Xtra and start listening to BBC 6Music!! 6Music is the best damn radio station there is and yet they're closing it next year because it costs too much to run. 6Music needs our support sad

....but I like 1Xtra boxed
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Reply #83 posted 03/12/10 1:09pm

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I think it's a good thing that you're attending those therapy classes. You really need them.[/

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This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're obviously trying to change the subject again to cover up your closeted racism/prejudice that's being exposed.
People that want to be therapists take therapy classes, not their patients, you bigoted idiot.
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Reply #84 posted 03/12/10 3:49pm

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You are insane and definitely need help. Can you point out where I've stated anything that could be construed as racist? You're the bigot who has a lot to learn. Back to the blackboard for you...or is that racist too?
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Reply #85 posted 03/12/10 7:00pm

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eek eek eek
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Nice pad. That boy must suck some mean cock.
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Reply #86 posted 03/12/10 7:01pm

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How in heck did he get so wealthy? his place was out of this world.

I thought he had what? one good year? damn. lol

I just saw an episode of Cribs today at my parent´s house (I don´t have a cable TV) and there were some two guys I´ve never heard about showing off their houses and you´re like..."where did these arrogant losers get all this money?" Well, I find these people embarrassing. I know that they are rich and that they want to buy nice things but sometimes I am watching it thinking that most of the stuff is just to show off - useless. You see their giant kitchens and you´re thinking who ever cooks there? They all have these gyms, pools etc. This guy had a TV and a stereo in his bath lol. "Can´t you be without a TV even while taking a bath?" I can´t help thinking that they have all this stuff not because they want or need it, but because all the other rich people have so I need to have it, too. Pure showing- off. It´s ridiculous.


Those often aren't their real houses.
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Reply #87 posted 03/12/10 7:03pm

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Why is this New Craig album covers? confused I like him but hmmm
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Reply #88 posted 03/12/10 8:07pm

jeami

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You are insane and definitely need help. Can you point out where I've stated anything that could be construed as racist? You're the bigot who has a lot to learn. Back to the blackboard for you...or is that racist too?


Don't get mad at me just because I have a valid opinion. I still haven't changed my mind and I'm not going to because I'm right. Stop trying to change the subject because it makes you feel uncomfortable.
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Reply #89 posted 03/13/10 2:26am

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Why is this New Craig album covers? confused I like him but hmmm

He said he wanted to do a covers album when "Trust Me" was released but was still considering it, so it's been in the cards for some time

The lead single isn't too good IMO (the remix is alot better) but other songs on the set like I Wonder Why, All Alone Tonight, and his version of Just My Imagination are good.
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