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Beyonce Put On Blast For Stealing Song Credits…Again?

Looks like PaPa Knowles ganked another producer for his producing credits and gave them to his daughter Beyonce. Rob Fusari produced Destiny’s Child’s hit “Bootylicious” and claims it was his idea to use the Stevie Nicks sample in it. In his recent interview with Billboard.com, Rob talks about now being one of Lady GaGa’s major producers and how Mathew Knowles told him to his face back in ‘01 he stole the “Bootylicious” credits for B.

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Fusari tells Billboard magazine, “I came up with the idea to build a track using the guitar riff from Stevie Nicks’ Edge of Seventeen.

“I figured I’d put the guitar loop on there temporarily, and later go into the studio with a guitar and replay it, because I’d learned, after sampling Stevie Wonder’s I Wish for Will Smith’s Wild Wild West, that I didn’t want to lose 50 per cent of the publishing (royalties). I vividly remember telling Mathew Knowles, ‘Mathew, you got to book me into your studio and let me replay that riff.’

“He didn’t want to do it. So 50 per cent got cut for one note. That whole experience was bittersweet for me.

“I remember watching Barbara Walters interview Beyonce about Bootylicious, and she told Barbara about how she came up with the idea for the track.”

Fusari, who went on to help Lady Gaga launch her pop career, insists he was brushed off when he complained about the interview, adding, “I called Mathew – which was a big mistake; I got emotional, and I apologised after – but I called Mathew and said, ‘Mathew, like, why?’ He explained to me, in a nice way, he said, ‘People don’t want to hear about Rob Fusari, producer from Livingston, N.J. No offence, but that’s not what sells records. What sells records is people believing that the artist is everything.’ And I’m like, ‘Yeah, I know, Mathew. I understand the game. But come on, I’m trying too. I’m a squirrel trying to get a nut, too.’”
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Reply #1 posted 02/25/10 2:26pm

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I rarely comment on Beyonce, because I feel there is no middle ground between "Stans" and haters, but I don't know why anyone finds this surprising.
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Reply #2 posted 02/25/10 2:27pm

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banks said:

Looks like PaPa Knowles ganked another producer for his producing credits and gave them to his daughter Beyonce. Rob Fusari produced Destiny’s Child’s hit “Bootylicious” and claims it was his idea to use the Stevie Nicks sample in it. In his recent interview with Billboard.com, Rob talks about now being one of Lady GaGa’s major producers and how Mathew Knowles told him to his face back in ‘01 he stole the “Bootylicious” credits for B.

Robs interview snippet when you read the rest…


Fusari tells Billboard magazine, “I came up with the idea to build a track using the guitar riff from Stevie Nicks’ Edge of Seventeen.

“I figured I’d put the guitar loop on there temporarily, and later go into the studio with a guitar and replay it, because I’d learned, after sampling Stevie Wonder’s I Wish for Will Smith’s Wild Wild West, that I didn’t want to lose 50 per cent of the publishing (royalties). I vividly remember telling Mathew Knowles, ‘Mathew, you got to book me into your studio and let me replay that riff.’

“He didn’t want to do it. So 50 per cent got cut for one note. That whole experience was bittersweet for me.

“I remember watching Barbara Walters interview Beyonce about Bootylicious, and she told Barbara about how she came up with the idea for the track.”

Fusari, who went on to help Lady Gaga launch her pop career, insists he was brushed off when he complained about the interview, adding, “I called Mathew – which was a big mistake; I got emotional, and I apologised after – but I called Mathew and said, ‘Mathew, like, why?’ He explained to me, in a nice way, he said, ‘People don’t want to hear about Rob Fusari, producer from Livingston, N.J. No offence, but that’s not what sells records. What sells records is people believing that the artist is everything.’ And I’m like, ‘Yeah, I know, Mathew. I understand the game. But come on, I’m trying too. I’m a squirrel trying to get a nut, too.’”


Honestly they are debating over a song like "Bootylicious" I mean whatever happend to fighting over a song like "My sweetLord" i mean Bootylicious is not even a song its a term, but again nothing surprises me about Matthew Knowles, i mean he did have Amerie shelved not once not twice but 3 times.

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Reply #3 posted 02/25/10 2:32pm

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This may be just my opinion, but here it goes....

When she made that derogatory comment about the Jacksons, it was briefly mentioned by media than quickly "swept under the rug."

Is she that much of an American sweetheart?
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Reply #4 posted 02/25/10 2:43pm

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scriptgirl said:

I rarely comment on Beyonce, because I feel there is no middle ground between "Stans" and haters, but I don't know why anyone finds this surprising.



Yea.. I know what you mean... I don't hate her because i'm one of those people that can just flow with the times.. Just came across the article and thought it would be an interesting topic to discuss.
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Reply #5 posted 02/25/10 3:22pm

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This may be just my opinion, but here it goes....

When she made that derogatory comment about the Jacksons, it was briefly mentioned by media than quickly "swept under the rug."

Is she that much of an American sweetheart?



Okay I missed that part. What happened?
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Reply #7 posted 02/25/10 3:29pm

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banks said:

scriptgirl said:

I rarely comment on Beyonce, because I feel there is no middle ground between "Stans" and haters, but I don't know why anyone finds this surprising.



Yea.. I know what you mean... I don't hate her because i'm one of those people that can just flow with the times.. Just came across the article and thought it would be an interesting topic to discuss.


Same here. I mean all the politics she really didnt have much control over early on at least. She can annoy me, but then do a video with alicia keys and look amazing (as always) and blow my mind, plus the song is good too. The issue though is that many of her songs and not just B, they just arent gonna be "remember that" 20 years from now.

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Reply #8 posted 02/25/10 4:21pm

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I DISLIKE BEYONCE very strongly. I think she is brainless. lol
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Reply #9 posted 02/25/10 4:24pm

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“I remember watching Barbara Walters interview Beyonce about Bootylicious, and she told Barbara about how she came up with the idea for the track.”

She told someone in an interview she came up with it on a plane. She couldn't sleep, and pulled her CD player full of samples and loops, and came up with it on the spot. It was during a tour or something with Destiny's Child.

Personally, I love the song. I love the sassyness of it, and anyone can get up and dance to that. It's infectious. It's one of the only D.C. songs I like and can tolerate from them.
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Reply #10 posted 02/25/10 4:27pm

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wow the way beyonce lies is crazy. Taking credit from other people. And how does this girl have any fans. I think her fans are brainless too. A girl at my work was so ghetto, ignorant, and had a nasty attitude and all she listened to was lil wayne, beyonce and rihanna. lol lol lol
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Reply #11 posted 02/25/10 4:30pm

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I didn't know Rob Fusari was lacing Gaga. I used to stalk his mp3.com page in the late 90s! Was so glad when "Bootylicious" blew up.

I hear what he is saying about the sample game, but I don't think that "one note" would have had the same effect if replayed.
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Reply #12 posted 02/25/10 4:30pm

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We all know Beyonce isn't that creative. She even takes credit for coming with the term "bootylicious" when we all know Snoop Dogg first used the term back in 1991-92 in the song "Fuck With Dre Day".

Bey says she wrote "Smash Into You". This is the original version sung by Jon McLaughlin for his album "Ok Now". The song was written by The Dream. Same lyrical content as Beys version, except SMACK is now SMASH.



Bey says she wrote the song "Halo". Here is Ryan Tedders original demo to the song. Only thing not used is the bridge, so how does she get writers credit?

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Reply #13 posted 02/25/10 4:32pm

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She usually gets production or song writing credit for doing a vocal arrangement, which isn't supposed to count as writing towards a composition... it is merely an arrangement for that song.
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it may be that Beyonce came up with some lyrical ideas, and a general concept - "Bootylicious", perhaps - and it worked w/ Fusari's musical ideas. From what I can tell in the interview, he only mentions the sample and building a musical track around it.

It's hard to say. I like Beyonce and I think she's incredibly talented, but it would not surprise me in the slightest to know that the songwriting credits she gets are a bit of a stretch. And my only question would be: why? I mean I realize there is a certain amount of respect that comes w/ being a songwriter that you wouldn't otherwise get, but most casual fans don't care who wrote a song - especially fans of pop artists like Beyonce. So it's kinda puzzling to me.

But in this instance, we don't really know the full story, and no reason to believe Beyonce was lying in her interview (judging from what is excerpted here, anyway.)
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it may be that Beyonce came up with some lyrical ideas, and a general concept - "Bootylicious", perhaps - and it worked w/ Fusari's musical ideas. From what I can tell in the interview, he only mentions the sample and building a musical track around it.

It's hard to say. I like Beyonce and I think she's incredibly talented, but it would not surprise me in the slightest to know that the songwriting credits she gets are a bit of a stretch. And my only question would be: why? I mean I realize there is a certain amount of respect that comes w/ being a songwriter that you wouldn't otherwise get, but most casual fans don't care who wrote a song - especially fans of pop artists like Beyonce. So it's kinda puzzling to me.

But in this instance, we don't really know the full story, and no reason to believe Beyonce was lying in her interview (judging from what is excerpted here, anyway.)


The songwriting thing is the way that Matthew Knowles keeps it under her umbrella, without writing credits she really has no right to anything for the most part. I mean with writing credit she now can get "songwriting awards" like Song of the Year and also the pay from radio that "writers" get that performers do not. Matthew Knowles is a creep, but he is smart.

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She usually gets production or song writing credit for doing a vocal arrangement, which isn't supposed to count as writing towards a composition... it is merely an arrangement for that song.

Bullshit. She flat out says, "I wrote this song....." She even said that recently in a concert about "Irreplaceable" or "Single Ladies" - neither of which she fucking wrote. Lyin' ass bitch. Even the MFing wiki page on "Irreplaceable" doesn't say anything about her writing it; rather she wanted to change vocal arrangements, add drums, and sing the chorus higher. That's not writing. Ne-Yo was going to make it into a country track, although it was originally written from a male perspective.

She's just so full of shit.
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lastdecember said:

NoVideo said:

it may be that Beyonce came up with some lyrical ideas, and a general concept - "Bootylicious", perhaps - and it worked w/ Fusari's musical ideas. From what I can tell in the interview, he only mentions the sample and building a musical track around it.

It's hard to say. I like Beyonce and I think she's incredibly talented, but it would not surprise me in the slightest to know that the songwriting credits she gets are a bit of a stretch. And my only question would be: why? I mean I realize there is a certain amount of respect that comes w/ being a songwriter that you wouldn't otherwise get, but most casual fans don't care who wrote a song - especially fans of pop artists like Beyonce. So it's kinda puzzling to me.

But in this instance, we don't really know the full story, and no reason to believe Beyonce was lying in her interview (judging from what is excerpted here, anyway.)


The songwriting thing is the way that Matthew Knowles keeps it under her umbrella, without writing credits she really has no right to anything for the most part. I mean with writing credit she now can get "songwriting awards" like Song of the Year and also the pay from radio that "writers" get that performers do not. Matthew Knowles is a creep, but he is smart.



ahhh good point
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Reply #18 posted 02/25/10 4:42pm

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ViintageJunkiie said:

Bey says she wrote the song "Halo". Here is Ryan Tedders original demo to the song. Only thing not used is the bridge, so how does she get writers credit?

Check this out. Kelly Clarkson "Already Gone".



Here's the skinny on that:
Soon after Tedder worked with Kelly Clarkson on her fourth studio album All I Ever Wanted and one of the songs they wrote together was "Already Gone". Clarkson accused Tedder of using the same arrangement on two different songs, claiming that people would assume she was stealing it from Knowles.

"Ryan and I met each other at the record label, before he was working with anyone else ... We wrote about six songs together, four or five of them made the album. It was all fine and dandy. I’d never heard of a song called 'Halo'. Beyoncé's album came out when my album was already being printed. No-one’s gonna be sittin' at home, thinking 'Man, Ryan Tedder gave Beyoncé and Kelly the same track to write to.' No, they’re just gonna be saying I ripped someone off. I called Ryan and said, 'I don’t understand. Why would you do that?'"

Clarkson fought with her label not to release it due to her conceived notions of the similarities, but her label RCA went against her will and released it.

"In the end, they're releasing it without my consent. It sucks, but it's one of those things I have no control over. I already made my album. At this point, the record company can do whatever they want with it. It's kind of a shitty situation, but... you know, you learn."


And more about the writing of "Halo":
In an interview with HitQuarters, co-writer Evan Bogart said one of the original inspirations for the song was Ray LaMontagne. At the writing session he had said to Tedder, "We should write a Ray LaMontagne ‘Shelter’ kind of song for Jay-Z and Beyoncé.” The song was composed in Tedder's studio and completed in "three hours". On crutches at the time, Tedder was supposed to be resting from surgery following the rupture of his Achilles tendon while on tour with OneRepublic.


No fucking mention of Beyowulf on any of that.
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lastdecember said:



The songwriting thing is the way that Matthew Knowles keeps it under her umbrella, without writing credits she really has no right to anything for the most part. I mean with writing credit she now can get "songwriting awards" like Song of the Year and also the pay from radio that "writers" get that performers do not. Matthew Knowles is a creep, but he is smart.



ahhh good point


Yeah i mean think of how many of her songs all have this "trendy line to them" "Single Ladies, Put a ring on it" "Bills Bills Bills" "I am a Survivor" Bootylicious, i mean HOW many times have we heard this term since the song came out, so, ownership of publishing or at least the pay and credit that you did something on the track, i mean you really dont have to do much to get the writing credit nowadays, look at a current top40 rb/pop ringtone hit and you will see about 10 writers, and then you will say "really it took 10 people to write this Flo-Rida track"

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Reply #20 posted 02/25/10 4:47pm

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ernestsewell said:

Cinnie said:

She usually gets production or song writing credit for doing a vocal arrangement, which isn't supposed to count as writing towards a composition... it is merely an arrangement for that song.

Bullshit. She flat out says, "I wrote this song....." She even said that recently in a concert about "Irreplaceable" or "Single Ladies" - neither of which she fucking wrote. Lyin' ass bitch. Even the MFing wiki page on "Irreplaceable" doesn't say anything about her writing it; rather she wanted to change vocal arrangements, add drums, and sing the chorus higher. That's not writing. Ne-Yo was going to make it into a country track, although it was originally written from a male perspective.

She's just so full of shit.


Well, it is a lot of producing, just no songwriting
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ernestsewell said:

Cinnie said:

She usually gets production or song writing credit for doing a vocal arrangement, which isn't supposed to count as writing towards a composition... it is merely an arrangement for that song.

Bullshit. She flat out says, "I wrote this song....." She even said that recently in a concert about "Irreplaceable" or "Single Ladies" - neither of which she fucking wrote. Lyin' ass bitch. Even the MFing wiki page on "Irreplaceable" doesn't say anything about her writing it; rather she wanted to change vocal arrangements, add drums, and sing the chorus higher. That's not writing. Ne-Yo was going to make it into a country track, although it was originally written from a male perspective.

She's just so full of shit.



Ne-Yo called her out on that and was about to sue her for Irreplaceable as well which explains why they haven't worked together since B'Day...
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ABeautifulOne said:

ernestsewell said:


Bullshit. She flat out says, "I wrote this song....." She even said that recently in a concert about "Irreplaceable" or "Single Ladies" - neither of which she fucking wrote. Lyin' ass bitch. Even the MFing wiki page on "Irreplaceable" doesn't say anything about her writing it; rather she wanted to change vocal arrangements, add drums, and sing the chorus higher. That's not writing. Ne-Yo was going to make it into a country track, although it was originally written from a male perspective.

She's just so full of shit.



Ne-Yo called her out on that and was about to sue her for Irreplaceable as well which explains why they haven't worked together since B'Day...
I remember that and I was glad he said what he said. As I remember it, Rich Harrison pretty much did the same thing when she was going around trying to make it seems as though she "wrote" "Crazy In Love".

Beyonce Knowles is a greedy liar. Too many of these types of stories have come up for me to think otherwise. But, I actually thought "Bootylicious" was the ONE track she may have actually written! I remember her telling the story of how she came up with the guitar from Stevie Nick's song. Damn, this chick has serious problems!!
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Reply #23 posted 02/25/10 5:33pm

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I'm glad she is being put on blast- why peeps still wanna work with her i have no idea
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I'm glad she is being put on blast- why peeps still wanna work with her i have no idea

She's a cash cow that's why.
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Reply #25 posted 02/25/10 5:40pm

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missmad said:

I'm glad she is being put on blast- why peeps still wanna work with her i have no idea

She's a cash cow that's why.

Problem is she seems to make off with the loot too!
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I'm more surprise Snoop Dogg NEVER sued Matthew OR Beyonce for using the word "Bootylicious". Snoop Dogg invented the word in 1992.
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Reply #29 posted 02/25/10 6:05pm

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I'm more surprise Snoop Dogg NEVER sued Matthew OR Beyonce for using the word "Bootylicious". Snoop Dogg invented the word in 1992.

Well until he had a trademark on it, or at least a song title (although you can't copyright a song title, just the content), I guess she was free to steal it.

I have a feeling it's just one of those words that rose out of urban pop culture and there is no real source to credit.
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