thesexofit said:

let's not forget this gem...

CHIC0 said:

Great. Now that stupid hook is in my head Their early stuff was cool though. I love "Roadblock" for example. So 80's LOL. Some people on here would like it I think...

thesexofit said:

oooh. i quite like that. and that video is awesome. that was SAW?? wow.

CHIC0 said:

Yeah, I like it alot. I got the 12" somewhere. Sorta reminds me of those great Milli Vanilli remixes.

And all this time, I thought Jennifer Lopez had an unlimited amount of flop opportunities with no way of being dropped.

ViintageJunkiie said:

midiscover said:

You know i aint lying! J Lo been flopping for the longest and the label never dropped her. Dream really do come true!

The thing is that being dropped from a label means nothing. Every artist at some gets dropped or not re-signed it has no bearing on what your talent is or isnt, i cant believe im still seeing posts that are saying you got dropped because your not talented???Are you fucking out of your fucking mind? If you think talent determines that stuff, please smoke more weed, or pass it over here.

But here we go with this double standard once again, ok heres the example, Jennifer has been on this label 10 years, sold them 50+ million albums, brought them in billions of dollars as a corporation, sorry folks like her or not, you have to have some form of talent to hang on, shit like that catches up with you, you cannot maintain that kind of shit with no form of talent, whether its singing or dancing whatever, something has to be there, and something is, so get over it, if you hate her, cool. I mean i hear nonsense like this all the time, there are people that post insane shit like Bon Jovi arent talented???Once again, pass the fucking weed, you can hate them hate ever song, but you dont hang on 30 years on one label have sold 150 million records with no shred of talent GET FUCKING REAL already. So does Jennifer have a good voice NO WAY, but last time i checked alot of people and pop stars that have had longer runs have not had good voices, but they to have something to put a whole package together, and in the package like it or not there is talent somewhere in some respect.

So hate her guts, hate Britney and then turn around and praise talents like Vanity 6 does that make any god damn sense?? There are people that talk about talent and then call for the Apollonia 6 re-issue?? Ok nostalgic YES but if you seriously are calling them talented and another not talented, call a doctor quick.

And before the usual suspects mention CASSIE, let me put it to you simply, never ever said the lady had talent said she was hot, maybe thats hers, case closed, jump off

thesexofit said:

Stock Aiken Waterman and the way they took over in that time period with producing Sam Fox,Donna Summer and so many others were probably the last time producers, had such a distinct sound. And i know some will say Timbaland did that but he did beats, huge difference

Who?

Seriously, just quit the singing now JLo. Nobody cares anymore.

lastdecember said:

Oh please. JLo hit it big for a few years based on some great pop that seemed better than it was in the teen pop era. She became world famous for her marriages and shitty films and once they stopped so did everyone else.

She's a glorified C lister who had A list fame for a few years. Next!

Cinnie said:

If they're smart, but are they smart? I don't think Mariah has a DVD of her greatest hits.

Not a fan of J. Lo, but this is pretty surprising. Makes sense since her last album tanked and the singles were going nowhere!

purplesweat said:

EXACTLY!!

trueiopian said:

And what point is that "makes shitty films" had a few good hits, you just described what most pop stars are. Shit John Travolta makes shitty films almost 90% of his films have sucked but he's been making films for almost 35 years. But again i have no dog in this debate because i think everyone should leave their fucking labels, they are useless and when they disappear from music alot of what is out there now GETTING PUSHED and Jlo is the least of the worries, will be dropped into fucking oblivion and will be TOO STUPID and to broke to be able to market themselves. At this point for anyone to still be looking for a label at late ages or with that kind of $$ is just stupid, and that goes for all not just her.

lastdecember said:

1. Prince can play his own instruments. Jennifer can NOT.

2. Marc Anthony knows how to produce, compose, AND write songs for himself and other people. Jennifer can NOT do any of those things.

3. When Tommy Mottola was CEO of Sony Music, Jennifer was still a successful pop artist (and I say "artist" loosely in her case). But what happen to her music career since Tommy left Sony years ago?!?

My point is that I'm not convince that Jennifer can really have a successful music career anymore unless she has someone (ENTER: Tommy) that knows how to run the operation that works bests for her and her once active alter-ego J.Lo.

TonyVanDam said:

Heres the thing im not debating her talent or lack of this and that, as far as "hit making" days they are done, this is a new world, but news to all, if you are this old, and yes she is just like MC and Janet and Madonna, you will not get that kind of play anymore, they need to recognize this. But everytime one of them does something new everyone gets on this whole "oh this is the one to get them back on the radio?" i mean seriously now? there is a huge huge huge difference between being able to sell some albums and sell some ringtones, and no im not talking about Jlo here, though she probably will still move 200,000 overall, which sorry to say folks, is alot now deal with it. But the point is what gets played on the radio is not even close to what sells albums, take Number One albums from Bon Jovi,BruceSpringsteen and Prince, NONE got one song charted from their records into the top 40, and yet sold between 400-750,000 each. Another point and yes im using a-ha on this one THE USA's biggest download king, Flo-rida (broke some sort of record didnt he??) a-ha sold more albums of their current one (with no single) in the uk (not their home) than Flo-rida sold everywhere together. So there is nothing relevant anymore about the radio at this point, it does not do anything for you if you already have a career, and for newbees it really isnt benefiting you because downloads make nothing.


As for your points all taken and like i said im not here debating her talents because i want everyone off their labels, i want the whole damn thing to crash down, i want soundscan to blow up, billboard magazine to burn down and radio to go out of business, i want everyone to press restart, and get diverse again.
Prince to me was never a pop star, he avoided it thank god. And Marc i always thought was possibly the best latin artist of all time, at least one of, and is one of the smartest and knows what to do, and has alot of creative ideas. But again we are talking commercial success (really for anyone) in a business that basically has none regardless of who you are, i think we all need to give that idea up for anyone and then go from there
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lastdecember said:

J.Lo's success depended heavily on her image - infamous behind and private life. Once that all fluttered into obscurity she did as well. I mean really what is her fanbase? Who does she appeal to? Most the people that bought her records back in the day just did because she was popular. and I agree with TonyVanDam, she's nothing without Tommy Mottola.

midiscover said:

Reid did well with LaFace Records. But I think it was also because he wasn't THE only person running that label at the time. He also has Babyface, Dallas Austin, & Darryl Simmons running the label with him with Clive Davis' money.

But when Reid was hired to run Arista (to replace the then-fired Clive Davis), he has none of those people around to help him at all. THIS was the main reason why Arista was losing money under his leadership, not counting the fact that BMG (and the RIAA in general) wasted too much time whining about music fans downloading. For every amount that was made off the success of Usher, Pink, and OutKast, there was also more than twice the amount of money lost because Reid couldn't find OR promote any other artists that could produce profits.

lastdecember said:

OFF-TOPIC: One of these days in 2010, you and I should joined forces in creating an all new and improved Stock Aiken Waterman/PWL/The Hit Factory thread in the org. I've been trying to tell people that SAW were better producers than U.S. Americans think. In fact, SAW were to the UK what Jam/Lewis were in the USA in terms of numbers of hits they made in the late 80's & early 90's.

TonyVanDam said:

very true i think the team that has worked with Girls Aloud and gave them the string of 20 top singles in the UK are better than what america has now producing, let alone SAW

VinnyM27 said:

Don't even get me started on Mariah, who has #1s, Greatest Hits, Ballads, Remixes... all these fucking compilations and yet only one sorry ass DVD that compiles too much of her live or previously available ones.

ViintageJunkiie said:

Ch...she should throw on her Louboutins and start trekking!!

At least she still got her perfume

midiscover said:

Don't remind me...

CHIC0 said:

is it too late to post cheesy 80s hits?!

shorttrini said:

Although we know of Jenny's music video and "Fly Girl" dance days on Living Color, I wouldn't say that she was known as a choreographer. Lopez started ingratiating the Hollywood game primarily through acting. It was the music that came last in her attempt to be a triple threat. Entertainers have combined the three disciplines for decades (old school Hollywood, and even on into the 70's when I was a kid; remember all those cheesy variety shows and tv series with our favorite singers doing an acting turn here or there?). In the 80's there was much less of this approach to entertaining, with a few extraordinary exceptions (who made it work) being Cher and Bette Midler. I don't see anything wrong or impossible about trying to conquer more than one genre in entertainment; it is what is known in the business and finance world as "diversifying your portfolio" .

lastdecember said:

While I agree with alot of what you've said, I will say that success is not always determined by creative talent one possesses rather than drive, ambition, tenacity, and an uncanny eye for timing and knowing when and how to seize opportunities to propel you forward. Those traits comprise a talent in itself...for business...but again, that's all different from creative talent. At the end of the day though, as long as a bottom line can be met, and a person can bring something to the table that inevitably makes money for those who employ them, they can be weak in what they offer creatively as long as it can be cleaned up, spit shined, and sold to the public as the next best thing since sliced bread. Some singers give us great face, bodies to envy, fierce dance moves to copy, and fashion to die for... some can excel tremendously onscreen through acting...but make no mistake, more than a few of them are painful to listen to on record and wouldn't could't should't try to hit a C6 if their lives (or ours) depended on it.

Ottensen said:

I did not say that she was known as one....I said that is how she started.

I didn't read the rest of the thread because Lopez sucks...

Good Sony Dropped her

That's my rant for the day

bboy87 said:

then there's this...

CHIC0 said:

OMG Chico! I was SO going to post that SAW Megamix! I've been listening to it for weeks.