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Reply #30 posted 02/21/10 3:46pm

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lastdecember said:

TD3 said:



Note: Nas had pleaded not guilty to owing back child support, he's innocent of these charges. We haven't heard both sides of the story nor evidence to make a determination of anyone's guilt.

I understand your point. It's difficult sometimes to explain to clients what appears to be cold tuff realties as it pertains to their circumstances and the law. Reality, the court doesn't care about the choices you made, how you've managed your money, your career choices, who you've married, divorced... that's your concern. The ruling is based on what Nas makes now. What happens to Nas or his ex-wife earning power over the course of their careers isn't relevant, that's for them to manage not a judge. If they don't provide for themselves nor the child for a rain day or "shit happens", that's on them. If Nas financial earnings change - they've decrease - he can request his child support payments be reduced. Once again, the court will ask to see financial earnings and make a judgement accordingly. The judge isn't assuming, that's why financial records are requested and must be presented so a judgement can be made accordingly.


Besides their jobs aren't anymore precarious than anyone else, stuff happens: illness, a recession, corporate downsizing, bankruptcy..... I wasn't blaming them for getting married or having a baby. I have know doubt like all people, they thought their union was life long but for whatever reason(s) things didn't workout. The problem can be is a lot of people don't ever consider the "what ifs" or understand long term obligations/responsibilities.

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Actually the ruling isn't based on his current income, its more his worth now, which is why i am saying that take what you can now, because this cat aint gonna have 50,000 to give a month and it will cost more to take him to court and to pay for his jail time, then just making a wiser ruling.


I think that's what I've said about ten times, it's still based his earnings now. Again, that calculation didn't come out of thin air. confuse You've voiced an opinion about what he can't pay, what he may or may not earn, what's unfair, etc, etc, and so-forth. Why is this so hard to understand?

If Nas financial situation has changed it was his responsibility to file papers in court requesting a hearing that his child support payments be lowered. Believe me if he had done this from jump, the judge wouldn't have slapped a contempt of charge on him.

Sate laws vary greatly on when it's appropriate to ask the court to lower your child support. In general, you may be entitled to lower your child support when:

* Your income has decreased significantly

* The custodial parent's income has increased significantly

* You expenses have increased for reasons out of your control( chronic illness, forced transfer to an area with a higher cost of living and so forth)

* The cost of supporting your child have increased significantly.
(that's rare)
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Reply #31 posted 02/21/10 3:50pm

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TD3 said:

lastdecember said:



Actually the ruling isn't based on his current income, its more his worth now, which is why i am saying that take what you can now, because this cat aint gonna have 50,000 to give a month and it will cost more to take him to court and to pay for his jail time, then just making a wiser ruling.


I think that's what I've said about ten times, it's still based his earnings now. Again, that calculation didn't come out of thin air. confuse You've voiced an opinion about what he can't pay, what he may or may not earn, what's unfair, etc, etc, and so-forth. Why is this so hard to understand?

If Nas financial situation has changed it was his responsibility to file papers in court requesting a hearing that his child support payments be lowered. Believe me if he had done this from jump, the judge wouldn't have slapped a contempt of charge on him.

Sate laws vary greatly on when it's appropriate to ask the court to lower your child support. In general, you may be entitled to lower your child support when:

* Your income has decreased significantly

* The custodial parent's income has increased significantly

* You expenses have increased for reasons out of your control( chronic illness, forced transfer to an area with a higher cost of living and so forth)

* The cost of supporting your child have increased significantly.
(that's rare)
He wanted to be a dick instead and here we are. lol
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Reply #32 posted 02/21/10 4:15pm

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Vendetta1 said:

TD3 said:



I think that's what I've said about ten times, it's still based his earnings now. Again, that calculation didn't come out of thin air. confuse You've voiced an opinion about what he can't pay, what he may or may not earn, what's unfair, etc, etc, and so-forth. Why is this so hard to understand?

If Nas financial situation has changed it was his responsibility to file papers in court requesting a hearing that his child support payments be lowered. Believe me if he had done this from jump, the judge wouldn't have slapped a contempt of charge on him.

Sate laws vary greatly on when it's appropriate to ask the court to lower your child support. In general, you may be entitled to lower your child support when:

* Your income has decreased significantly

* The custodial parent's income has increased significantly

* You expenses have increased for reasons out of your control( chronic illness, forced transfer to an area with a higher cost of living and so forth)

* The cost of supporting your child have increased significantly.
(that's rare)
He wanted to be a dick instead and here we are. lol



biggrin Exactly.
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Reply #33 posted 02/21/10 9:46pm

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I actually don't think that amount is just for child support, it includes "back" child support. As I understand he hasn't paid child support since the baby was born back in on July 21. So it's almost been a year since he hasn't paid child support or the full child support amount. In order for him to catch up, he needs to pay over 50 thousand per month for the next 4 months which I believe is pretty standard.

Don't you guys remember she took him to court when she was still pregnant because he refused to pay for pre-natal care and the hospital bill after the baby was born?
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Reply #34 posted 02/22/10 4:32am

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200,000 already? the lil' bastard was just born not too long ago, right? eek
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Reply #35 posted 02/22/10 4:41am

Vendetta1

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200,000 already? the lil' bastard was just born not too long ago, right? eek
why does he have to be called a bastard? his parents were married. neutral

The child has nothing to do with this bullshit.
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Reply #36 posted 02/22/10 4:42am

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errant said:

200,000 already? the lil' bastard was just born not too long ago, right? eek
why does he have to be called a bastard? his parents were married. neutral

The child has nothing to do with this bullshit.



I know nothing about the marital status of the kid's parents. That's just what I call kids wink
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Reply #37 posted 02/22/10 4:43am

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errant said:

Vendetta1 said:

why does he have to be called a bastard? his parents were married. neutral

The child has nothing to do with this bullshit.



I know nothing about the marital status of the kid's parents. That's just what I call kids wink
that's awesome. neutral
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Reply #38 posted 02/22/10 4:48am

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errant said:




I know nothing about the marital status of the kid's parents. That's just what I call kids wink
that's awesome. neutral



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Reply #39 posted 02/22/10 6:17am

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TD3 said:

Identity said:

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Child support payments are based on the parent(s)' income, and it includes medical care, daycare, clothes, food and so forth. And to think I thought Nas had deep pockets. Oh well, there's always the alternative: incarceration & public humiliation.


That's exactly how it works. The Court doesn't pull these numbers /figures out of a hat. Regardless of how much latitude judges are given, the guidelines (child support formula) in effect in most states specify factors that must be considered in determining who pays how much child support. These factors usually include:

* the needs of the child -- including health insurance, education, day care, and special needs
* the income and needs of the custodial parent
* the paying parent's ability to pay, and
* the child's standard of living before divorce or separation.

Courts often require each divorcing spouse to fill out a financial statement to provide a complete picture of the parents' financial situations before making a decision on child support. In the financial statement, the spouse must detail his or her monthly income and expenses.

When a court sets child support, it often considers the family's pre-divorce standard of living and attempts to continue this standard for the children, if feasible. However, courts are aware of the difficulty of maintaining two households on the income that formerly supported one home. Maintenance of the same standard of living is therefore more of a goal than a guarantee.

This is key. This is were the rub comes in because some men think, they should be able to dictate what "they think" it cost to maintain their child/children. Or think once they've divorced or whatever the standard of living for the child should decrease because... this one of the consequence of the relationship ending. It doesn't work that way. You don't continue to live on the Gold Coast while your kid lives in subsidize housing. Nice way of saying the projects. lol

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Nicely put! clapping It's like food for the soul when people are willing to swim against the prevailing tide of bitter chauvinism in discussions like this. smile
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Reply #40 posted 02/22/10 6:59am

Empress

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It always cracks me up when people, mostly men, get upset when they see the amount of child support other men end up paying.

Boo hoo for these motherfuckers. Wear a rubber, stop fucking chicks you can't see yourself with for the rest of your life and problem solved.

Or better yet, get custody of your child.


Right on baby! You tell em!!!
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Reply #41 posted 02/22/10 7:30am

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Actually, of the $55K, I think only about $10K is child support and the rest is spousal support.
[Edited 2/22/10 7:31am]
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Reply #42 posted 02/22/10 7:43am

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I just think its the issue of just because this kid has a wealthy father it dont mean that he gets the gold. too much emphasis on kids these days, YES he needs to provide support, its his child. But 50,000 a month, we now for a fact that 49,900 will go for Kelis and her wardrobe and the 100 dollars will go on the kid.



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Reply #43 posted 02/22/10 8:02am

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deebee said:

TD3 said:



That's exactly how it works. The Court doesn't pull these numbers /figures out of a hat. Regardless of how much latitude judges are given, the guidelines (child support formula) in effect in most states specify factors that must be considered in determining who pays how much child support. These factors usually include:

* the needs of the child -- including health insurance, education, day care, and special needs
* the income and needs of the custodial parent
* the paying parent's ability to pay, and
* the child's standard of living before divorce or separation.

Courts often require each divorcing spouse to fill out a financial statement to provide a complete picture of the parents' financial situations before making a decision on child support. In the financial statement, the spouse must detail his or her monthly income and expenses.

When a court sets child support, it often considers the family's pre-divorce standard of living and attempts to continue this standard for the children, if feasible. However, courts are aware of the difficulty of maintaining two households on the income that formerly supported one home. Maintenance of the same standard of living is therefore more of a goal than a guarantee.

This is key. This is were the rub comes in because some men think, they should be able to dictate what "they think" it cost to maintain their child/children. Or think once they've divorced or whatever the standard of living for the child should decrease because... this one of the consequence of the relationship ending. It doesn't work that way. You don't continue to live on the Gold Coast while your kid lives in subsidize housing. Nice way of saying the projects. lol

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Nicely put! clapping It's like food for the soul when people are willing to swim against the prevailing tide of bitter chauvinism in discussions like this. smile




Sarcasm? I think this is called adulthood, grow up. biggrin
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Reply #44 posted 02/22/10 8:16am

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Thats why everybody who has a baby and get married should REALLY THINK MANY TIMES in consideration before even getting married ...THEN think many more times after that about having a baby....I really do think that people make dumb decisions...REALY really dumb decisions...I swear to god that's what's wrong with being straight without rubbers....put themselvesin DUMB situations like this.... disbelief

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Reply #45 posted 02/22/10 8:49am

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TD3 said:

deebee said:


Nicely put! clapping It's like food for the soul when people are willing to swim against the prevailing tide of bitter chauvinism in discussions like this. smile




Sarcasm? I think this is called adulthood, grow up. biggrin

No sarcasm involved. I think maintaining the standard of living is absolutely right, and clearly has a perfectly rational legal basis, like your post showed. The notion that the father should be able to swan around in the fleet of sports cars he doubtless possesses, while tossing aside enough change to keep his kid in diapers (which seems to be the prevailing view here), would be a pathetic resolution of this situation, to my mind. And all the usual sexist throwaway comments I read justifying him withholding it don't do much to sway me on that.

Seemed like you were saying much the same, but I might have misunderstood. If so, no worries.
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Reply #46 posted 02/22/10 9:31am

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deebee said:

TD3 said:





Sarcasm? I think this is called adulthood, grow up. biggrin

No sarcasm involved. I think maintaining the standard of living is absolutely right, and clearly has a perfectly rational legal basis, like your post showed. The notion that the father should be able to swan around in the fleet of sports cars he doubtless possesses, while tossing aside enough change to keep his kid in diapers (which seems to be the prevailing view here), would be a pathetic resolution of this situation, to my mind. And all the usual sexist throwaway comments I read justifying him withholding it don't do much to sway me on that.

Seemed like you were saying much the same, but I might have misunderstood. If so, no worries.


Understood, that's why I ended sarcasm with question mark. smile My latter statement was made in general.
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Reply #47 posted 02/22/10 9:45am

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TD3 said:

deebee said:


No sarcasm involved. I think maintaining the standard of living is absolutely right, and clearly has a perfectly rational legal basis, like your post showed. The notion that the father should be able to swan around in the fleet of sports cars he doubtless possesses, while tossing aside enough change to keep his kid in diapers (which seems to be the prevailing view here), would be a pathetic resolution of this situation, to my mind. And all the usual sexist throwaway comments I read justifying him withholding it don't do much to sway me on that.

Seemed like you were saying much the same, but I might have misunderstood. If so, no worries.


Understood, that's why I ended sarcasm with question mark. smile My latter statement was made in general.

Ah... got it now! thumbs up!
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Reply #48 posted 04/13/10 8:29am

Identity

Update:
Los Angeles Court Ordered Nas To Pay Up
April 13, 2010

Nas has been ordered to pay more than $290,000 in backdated support payments and legal bills to ex-wife Kelis.

In January, Kelis asked a judge to summon her former partner to court, alleging the hip-hop star had failed to keep up with spousal support payments and child support for their son, Knight.

In court papers, Kelis' legal team claimed the rapper had fallen behind by $56,911.

Nas was ordered to Los Angeles County Superior Court on Monday (12 Apr10), and the judge presiding over the case ruled the star must hand over an immediate payment of $47,249 in overdue child support and $40,454 in spousal support.

The judge also increased monthly spousal support payments to $10,000 a month until Nas has paid the money he owes his ex-wife.

The rapper was also hit with a $155,787 bill for Kelis' legal fees, as well as $48,549 to cover her accounting costs.

Nas and Kelis split at the beginning of 2009, shortly before the birth of their son.


http://www.contactmusic.c...is_1138789
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Reply #49 posted 04/14/10 4:56am

SoulAlive

Damn! He'd better tour soon,or release a new album! He's gonna need the cash.
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Reply #50 posted 04/14/10 9:26am

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lastdecember said:

Identity said:




February 20, 2010


Nas faces a criminal contempt charge for unpaid child and spousal support in his divorce from fellow singer Kelis.

The rapper pleaded not guilty through his attorney and was ordered back for a March hearing in Los Angeles. Kelis's attorney says Nas is $200,000 behind on child and spousal support. He was ordered to pay more than $51,000 per month to his former wife and infant son in December.

Judge David S. Cunningham III, who is overseeing the divorce proceedings, said Friday it's starting to look like the rapper is trying to evade court orders.

One of Nas's attorneys, Anthony Ukran, told Cunningham the rapper needs more time to prepare his defence and show he's unable to pay the court-ordered support amounts. Nas could face time behind bars if he fails to make payments.


Kelis filed for divorce in May.


http://www.google.com/hos...XYoXc2rLWg


No offense but i know kids are expensive, but 51,000 a month on a kid, get the fuck out of here. I bet Kelis is gonna use 99% of the money for her outfits


Exactly. rolleyes And that baby isn't ready for private school yet.

And if Nas gets sent to prison, he still can't pay child support. So why can't Nas & Kelis settle out of court?!?
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Reply #51 posted 04/14/10 9:32am

Identity

^

As I understand it, child support is a right of the child not the custodial parent, and usually cannot be bargained away.
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Reply #52 posted 04/14/10 9:42am

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but child support is 30% of the income of the parent. Nas is paying a lot of money, but it's only 30% of his income, so he can afford it. Plus, doesn't Nas have to pay child support for his other kid? If he can pay for one child, then he can pay for two. If Nas doesn't want to pay, then he never should've married his wife, imprenated her, and cheated on her. If Nas would stop wasting his money on hoes, bling-bling, and possibly drugs, then he wouldn't have any financial problems. I'm sure that Nas is financially secure, he's just acting like an ass because mateial things are more important to him than his family.
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Reply #53 posted 04/14/10 9:58am

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P2daP said:

A judge order Nas to be $51,000 in child support per month? WTF!?!?! That judge needs to go to jail for being crazy.


Hey that child needs those 150 dollar pair of Jordan's,
Gucci clothing,and Amani suits every month.
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Reply #54 posted 04/14/10 10:06am

Identity

What is this thing that makes some guys whine incessantly about providing for their own kids? Man up and do the right thing.
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Reply #55 posted 04/14/10 10:39am

uPtoWnNY

Identity said:

What is this thing that makes some guys whine incessantly about providing for their own kids? Man up and do the right thing.


I think it has more to do with paying for the ex's lifestyle, which is ridiculous. He should be a man and provide for his kids, but that's it.
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Reply #56 posted 04/14/10 12:48pm

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Identity said:

What is this thing that makes some guys whine incessantly about providing for their own kids? Man up and do the right thing.


I believe that many men think that raising kids is a "woman's thing". If they're not with the mother anymore, they don't feel like they should have to help her raise the baby. This is a problem becaue there are many single moms in the US, so men think they don't have to be responsible. If the mother has custody, she needs money to help feed the child, clothe the child, put a roof over the child's head, etc. Kids are expensive and if men don't want to pay up, then they need to stop banging women that they aren't serious about.
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Reply #57 posted 04/15/10 9:28pm

Identity

Nas Gets Contempt Charge Dismissed After Paying Child Support

April 15, 2010


http://www.mtv.com/news/a.../nas.jhtml
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Reply #58 posted 04/15/10 11:01pm

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Identity said:

Nas Gets Contempt Charge Dismissed After Paying Child Support

April 15, 2010


http://www.mtv.com/news/a.../nas.jhtml


Rapper Nas was cleared of a civil contempt charge on Monday in connection with his divorce from Kelis. According to a statement from his spokesperson released on Wednesday, "The contempt charges that were filed against Nas earlier this year in conjunction with his ongoing custody battle were thrown out yesterday by Judge David Cunningham III presiding over the case. Nas has paid all of the child support owed in full. His legal counsel today also settled on additional undisclosed financial terms, which included attorneys' fees and spousal support."

The contempt charges were dismissed after Nas paid nearly $50,000 in child support to estranged wife Kelis, The Associated Press reported.

SIDE NOTE: So the $50,000 is the one time only payoff?
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Reply #59 posted 04/15/10 11:08pm

jeami

TonyVanDam said:

Identity said:

Nas Gets Contempt Charge Dismissed After Paying Child Support

April 15, 2010


http://www.mtv.com/news/a.../nas.jhtml


Rapper Nas was cleared of a civil contempt charge on Monday in connection with his divorce from Kelis. According to a statement from his spokesperson released on Wednesday, "The contempt charges that were filed against Nas earlier this year in conjunction with his ongoing custody battle were thrown out yesterday by Judge David Cunningham III presiding over the case. Nas has paid all of the child support owed in full. His legal counsel today also settled on additional undisclosed financial terms, which included attorneys' fees and spousal support."

The contempt charges were dismissed after Nas paid nearly $50,000 in child support to estranged wife Kelis, The Associated Press reported.

SIDE NOTE: So the $50,000 is the one time only payoff?


You forgot to read the entire article.

In an earlier report, TMZ claimed that the contempt charges were thrown out by Judge Cunningham after the rapper ponied up $47,249 in child support, $40,454 in back alimony and vowed to pay off the $299,000 he still owes her in $10,000 monthly installments. Nas was also reportedly ordered to pick up the tab for more than $48,000 worth of Kelis' accounting expenses and 90 percent of her legal fees, which were said to total $155,787. A spokesperson for Nas could not be reached at press time to confirm the figures reported by TMZ.

In announcing the settling of the latest contentious matter between the couple, Nas said in a statement, "All I want to do is make music and raise my kids. Nothing else matters."

In conclusion, Nas definitely can afford to pay for child support. He was just acting like an ass.
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