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Updated: Nas Pleads Not Guilty To Owing $200K in Support




February 20, 2010


Nas faces a criminal contempt charge for unpaid child and spousal support in his divorce from fellow singer Kelis.

The rapper pleaded not guilty through his attorney and was ordered back for a March hearing in Los Angeles. Kelis's attorney says Nas is $200,000 behind on child and spousal support. He was ordered to pay more than $51,000 per month to his former wife and infant son in December.

Judge David S. Cunningham III, who is overseeing the divorce proceedings, said Friday it's starting to look like the rapper is trying to evade court orders.

One of Nas's attorneys, Anthony Ukran, told Cunningham the rapper needs more time to prepare his defense and show he's unable to pay the court-ordered support amounts. Nas could face time behind bars if he fails to make payments.


Kelis filed for divorce in May.


http://www.google.com/hos...XYoXc2rLWg
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Reply #1 posted 02/20/10 8:52pm

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Identity said:




February 20, 2010


Nas faces a criminal contempt charge for unpaid child and spousal support in his divorce from fellow singer Kelis.

The rapper pleaded not guilty through his attorney and was ordered back for a March hearing in Los Angeles. Kelis's attorney says Nas is $200,000 behind on child and spousal support. He was ordered to pay more than $51,000 per month to his former wife and infant son in December.

Judge David S. Cunningham III, who is overseeing the divorce proceedings, said Friday it's starting to look like the rapper is trying to evade court orders.

One of Nas's attorneys, Anthony Ukran, told Cunningham the rapper needs more time to prepare his defence and show he's unable to pay the court-ordered support amounts. Nas could face time behind bars if he fails to make payments.


Kelis filed for divorce in May.


http://www.google.com/hos...XYoXc2rLWg


No offense but i know kids are expensive, but 51,000 a month on a kid, get the fuck out of here. I bet Kelis is gonna use 99% of the money for her outfits

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Reply #2 posted 02/20/10 10:16pm

FauxReal

Yeah, I understand wanting to provide the child the same luxuries they'd have if there was never a split...but damn, that shit should max out at some point. One month child support should never equal somewhere around the average person's yearly income. Are you wiping your baby's ass with the finest silk and clothing them in diamond-studded diapers? No. So where the hell is all of that money going?
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Reply #3 posted 02/20/10 10:29pm

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A judge order Nas to be $51,000 in child support per month? WTF!?!?! That judge needs to go to jail for being crazy.
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Reply #4 posted 02/20/10 10:38pm

Identity

Nas should title his next CD "I'm A Deadbeat Dad". In the words of the immortal Michael Jackson: "If You Cant Feed Your Baby (Yeah, Yeah)
Then Don't Have A Baby.And Don't Think Maybe (Yeah, Yeah)
If You Can't Feed Your Baby." wink
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Reply #5 posted 02/20/10 10:41pm

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Identity said:

Nas should title his next CD "I'm A Deadbeat Dad". In the words of the immortal Michael Jackson: "If You Cant Feed Your Baby (Yeah, Yeah)
Then Don't Have A Baby.And Don't Think Maybe (Yeah, Yeah)
If You Can't Feed Your Baby." wink


I'll agree with the CD title when you show me a baby that eats $51,000 worth of food in a year, even. smile
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Identity

^
Child support payments are based on the parent(s)' income, and it includes medical care, daycare, clothes, food and so forth. And to think I thought Nas had deep pockets. Oh well, there's always the alternative: incarceration & public humiliation.
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Identity said:

^
Child support payments are based on the parent(s)' income, and it includes medical care, daycare, clothes, food and so forth. And to think I thought Nas had deep pockets. Oh well, there's always the alternative: incarceration & public humiliation.


there in lies the problem with our world, not saying that he is or isnt a deadbeat dad, but sorry, there are families that are losing their apartments where the whole household doesnt make 51,000 a year, so plain and simple, fuck nas fuck the kid and fuck kelis, they all need a reality check

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Reply #8 posted 02/21/10 8:08am

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Identity said:

^
Child support payments are based on the parent(s)' income, and it includes medical care, daycare, clothes, food and so forth. And to think I thought Nas had deep pockets. Oh well, there's always the alternative: incarceration & public humiliation.



I'm aware of that. I pay child support myself. I just think some of the amounts are ridiculous regardless of the parent's income. It's "support"...you know, help, assistance. With the amounts they are asking in situations like these, the mom doesn't have to do shit on her end but sit back and collect.
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I guess I shouldn't complain about the $480.00 I pay a month then... neutral
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I just think its the issue of just because this kid has a wealthy father it dont mean that he gets the gold. too much emphasis on kids these days, YES he needs to provide support, its his child. But 50,000 a month, we now for a fact that 49,900 will go for Kelis and her wardrobe and the 100 dollars will go on the kid.

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Identity said:

^
Child support payments are based on the parent(s)' income, and it includes medical care, daycare, clothes, food and so forth. And to think I thought Nas had deep pockets. Oh well, there's always the alternative: incarceration & public humiliation.


That's exactly how it works. The Court doesn't pull these numbers /figures out of a hat. Regardless of how much latitude judges are given, the guidelines (child support formula) in effect in most states specify factors that must be considered in determining who pays how much child support. These factors usually include:

* the needs of the child -- including health insurance, education, day care, and special needs
* the income and needs of the custodial parent
* the paying parent's ability to pay, and
* the child's standard of living before divorce or separation.

Courts often require each divorcing spouse to fill out a financial statement to provide a complete picture of the parents' financial situations before making a decision on child support. In the financial statement, the spouse must detail his or her monthly income and expenses.

When a court sets child support, it often considers the family's pre-divorce standard of living and attempts to continue this standard for the children, if feasible. However, courts are aware of the difficulty of maintaining two households on the income that formerly supported one home. Maintenance of the same standard of living is therefore more of a goal than a guarantee.

This is key. This is were the rub comes in because some men think, they should be able to dictate what "they think" it cost to maintain their child/children. Or think once they've divorced or whatever the standard of living for the child should decrease because... this one of the consequence of the relationship ending. It doesn't work that way. You don't continue to live on the Gold Coast while your kid lives in subsidize housing. Nice way of saying the projects. lol

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Identity said:

^
Child support payments are based on the parent(s)' income, and it includes medical care, daycare, clothes, food and so forth. And to think I thought Nas had deep pockets. Oh well, there's always the alternative: incarceration & public humiliation.


That's exactly how it works. The Court doesn't pull these numbers /figures out of a hat. Regardless of how much latitude judges are given, the guidelines (child support formula) in effect in most states specify factors that must be considered in determining who pays how much child support. These factors usually include:

* the needs of the child -- including health insurance, education, day care, and special needs
* the income and needs of the custodial parent
* the paying parent's ability to pay, and
* the child's standard of living before divorce or separation.

Courts often require each divorcing spouse to fill out a financial statement to provide a complete picture of the parents' financial situations before making a decision on child support. In the financial statement, the spouse must detail his or her monthly income and expenses.

When a court sets child support, it often considers the family's pre-divorce standard of living and attempts to continue this standard for the children, if feasible. However, courts are aware of the difficulty of maintaining two households on the income that formerly supported one home. Maintenance of the same standard of living is therefore more of a goal than a guarantee.

This is key. This is were the rub comes in because some men think, they should be able to dictate what "they think" it cost to maintain their child/children. Or think once they've divorced or whatever the standard of living for the child should decrease because... this one of the consequence of the relationship ending. It doesn't work that way. You don't continue to live on the Gold Coast while your kid lives in subsidize housing. Nice way of saying the projects. lol

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Well all good points but this where we all lose the focus. This is not saying NAS or any other man shouldnt pay to support their kid. But in this case, the child has NO standard of living, just because you are born to a rapper with money doesnt mean you get a mansion day one, i think you need to go work for yourself, again thats not saying let this kid and kelis go on the street while NAS drinks and hangs with women in clubs. But so often the case (with celeb or so called celebs) that 50,000 spoken of seems to vanish, and in a few years the kid all of a sudden needs 100,000 a month and more, or if NAS all of a sudden hits lotto, then the kid deserves a million a month. This system amongst others is broken and all need to be re-done

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the child's standard of living before divorce or separation.



wasn't the kid still in the womb at the time of the divorce? hmmm
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the child's standard of living before divorce or separation.



wasn't the kid still in the womb at the time of the divorce? hmmm


Not just that but standard of "living" to me that starts when you are on your own.

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Reply #15 posted 02/21/10 10:14am

Cinnie

I still think that is a crazy court order. Even if the baby was bathed in Evian, ate nothing but those $1000 gold desserts in New York, and had its own house payments, there is no way that amount of child support is necessary.

Are we sure this isn't alimony?
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I still think that is a crazy court order. Even if the baby was bathed in Evian, ate nothing but those $1000 gold desserts in New York, and had its own house payments, there is no way that amount of child support is necessary.

Are we sure this isn't alimony?


Oh no its support, thats the normal here. If Brad and Angelina split Brad will probably be paying a million per kid a month, and these are (most) adopted kids from third world countries, who up until a few years ago, had no standard of living. so what kind of message does this send?? I mean YES there are tons of deadbeats i see them all the time on the train with 4 kids and no job, but, lets be real on this whole standard of living shit

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lastdecember said:

TD3 said:



That's exactly how it works. The Court doesn't pull these numbers /figures out of a hat. Regardless of how much latitude judges are given, the guidelines (child support formula) in effect in most states specify factors that must be considered in determining who pays how much child support. These factors usually include:

* the needs of the child -- including health insurance, education, day care, and special needs
* the income and needs of the custodial parent
* the paying parent's ability to pay, and
* the child's standard of living before divorce or separation.

Courts often require each divorcing spouse to fill out a financial statement to provide a complete picture of the parents' financial situations before making a decision on child support. In the financial statement, the spouse must detail his or her monthly income and expenses.

When a court sets child support, it often considers the family's pre-divorce standard of living and attempts to continue this standard for the children, if feasible. However, courts are aware of the difficulty of maintaining two households on the income that formerly supported one home. Maintenance of the same standard of living is therefore more of a goal than a guarantee.

This is key. This is were the rub comes in because some men think, they should be able to dictate what "they think" it cost to maintain their child/children. Or think once they've divorced or whatever the standard of living for the child should decrease because... this one of the consequence of the relationship ending. It doesn't work that way. You don't continue to live on the Gold Coast while your kid lives in subsidize housing. Nice way of saying the projects. lol

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Well all good points but this where we all lose the focus. This is not saying NAS or any other man shouldnt pay to support their kid. But in this case, the child has NO standard of living, just because you are born to a rapper with money doesnt mean you get a mansion day one, i think you need to go work for yourself, again thats not saying let this kid and kelis go on the street while NAS drinks and hangs with women in clubs. But so often the case (with celeb or so called celebs) that 50,000 spoken of seems to vanish, and in a few years the kid all of a sudden needs 100,000 a month and more, or if NAS all of a sudden hits lotto, then the kid deserves a million a month. This system amongst others is broken and all need to be re-done



lol Yes, the child does.... he or she has your standard of living. Just like my kid had a standard of living when she lived with use. What we earned/made determined how we all lived. The same principled is applied when parents split up. What can I tell ya... this is the reality. As long as I've known irrespective of income when you get a raise your kid gets a raise, it's called cost-of-living adjustments. Once again you don't to dictated what you think it should cost to take care of your child, your level of income/standard of living dictates that. Nor do you get to dictate how that money is spent to take care of the child. Fifty thousand, hundred thousand, or half a million per month is for that month. Nas being a rapper is of no consequence, it's how much he's earns; there's no special rapper rate for child support payments.

Family law isn't my expertise... but I do handle pro bono child support cases. My partners that do handle high end child support payment tell what usually ends the conversation about the amount of payment ordered by the court are these two options.


1. File for joint custody: in most states this will reduce your payments.

2. You can file for primary custody of your children.

They pay. biggrin


The system is broken but not they way you think it, many parents aren't supporting their kids monetarily or emotionally. People who do take care of their kids and those who are childless pay out of pocket to subsidize their families.


All these should be thought about before you decide to have kid(s) and/or get married.

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lastdecember said:



Well all good points but this where we all lose the focus. This is not saying NAS or any other man shouldnt pay to support their kid. But in this case, the child has NO standard of living, just because you are born to a rapper with money doesnt mean you get a mansion day one, i think you need to go work for yourself, again thats not saying let this kid and kelis go on the street while NAS drinks and hangs with women in clubs. But so often the case (with celeb or so called celebs) that 50,000 spoken of seems to vanish, and in a few years the kid all of a sudden needs 100,000 a month and more, or if NAS all of a sudden hits lotto, then the kid deserves a million a month. This system amongst others is broken and all need to be re-done



lol Yes, the child does he or she has you standard of living. Just like my kid had a standard of living when she lived with use. What we earned/made determined how we all lived. The same principled is applied when parents split up. What can I tell ya... this is the reality. As long as I've known irrespective of income when you get a raise your kid gets a raise, it's called cost-of-living adjustments. Once again you don't to dictated what you think it should cost to take care of your child, your level of income/standard of living dictates that. Nor do you get to dictate how that money is spent to take care of the child. Fifty thousand, hundred thousand, or half a million per month is for that month.

Family law isn't my expertise... but I do handle pro bono child support cases. My partners that do handle high end child support payment tell what usually ends the conversation about the amount of payment ordered by the court are these two options.


1. File for joint custody: in most states this will reduce your payments.

2. You can file for primary custody of your children.

They pay. biggrin


The system is broken but not they way you think it, many parents aren't supporting their kids monetarily or emotionally. People who do take care of their kids and those who are childless pay out of pocket to subsidize their families.


All these should be though about before you decide to have kid(s) and/or get married.


But again, yes that is all understood, but that moment of "nas living" is not and will not continue, lets face it career wise he isnt part of the rap game anymore, nor has he been for awhile. So 50,000 a month is gonna dry up very quick, and this child and nas and kelis will have to be hit with reality. You are giving this child a false sense of living. A correct judgement would be what does Nas have right now, take a % for the kid and that gets put away and allowances be made from that. This judgement is assuming Nas has money like that, and it wont run out, well, he aint got it like that. And yes its his own fault for marrying and having a kid, which is why ALL of these celebs need to check the "dick" at the door, unless they got the wallet for all time.

I mean you basically are talking about 600,000 dollars a year, thats not even close to what Nas can handle long term. So you will see this in court forever, yet another waste of our money to pay for this system, and most likely Nas going to jail for not being able to pay.

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Reply #19 posted 02/21/10 11:23am

Vendetta1

It always cracks me up when people, mostly men, get upset when they see the amount of child support other men end up paying.

Boo hoo for these motherfuckers. Wear a rubber, stop fucking chicks you can't see yourself with for the rest of your life and problem solved.

Or better yet, get custody of your child.
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It always cracks me up when people, mostly men, get upset when they see the amount of child support other men end up paying.

Boo hoo for these motherfuckers. Wear a rubber, stop fucking chicks you can't see yourself with for the rest of your life and problem solved.

Or better yet, get custody of your child.


Men almost never get custody, thats not how the system is set, even if Kelis was unfit a drunk drug addict convicted, it would still have to be approved for Nas to get the kid, lets be real that the system is not set up that way. The mother always gets the kids unless she is an axe murder. And im not complaining about what he has to pay, i could care less if they all fell off a bridge, especially Kelis, what im saying is that its a stupid ruling because he is just going to go to jail, he aint got that kind of money long term, take what you can now while he has it is what im saying, if you think NAS is going to be making money now or years to come, you are mistaken he is done with his cash days. So its a stupid ruling from a stupid judge for 2 stupid people who shouldnt have a kid anyway.

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Yeah, I understand wanting to provide the child the same luxuries they'd have if there was never a split...but damn, that shit should max out at some point. One month child support should never equal somewhere around the average person's yearly income. Are you wiping your baby's ass with the finest silk and clothing them in diamond-studded diapers? No. So where the hell is all of that money going?
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Those diamond encrusted strollers don't pay for themselves!

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lastdecember said:

BklynBabe said:



wasn't the kid still in the womb at the time of the divorce? hmmm


Not just that but standard of "living" to me that starts when you are on your own.


Speak for yourself. I knew I was rich when I was still in my daddy's nutbag!
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Reply #23 posted 02/21/10 11:42am

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lastdecember said:

Vendetta1 said:

It always cracks me up when people, mostly men, get upset when they see the amount of child support other men end up paying.

Boo hoo for these motherfuckers. Wear a rubber, stop fucking chicks you can't see yourself with for the rest of your life and problem solved.

Or better yet, get custody of your child.


Men almost never get custody, thats not how the system is set, even if Kelis was unfit a drunk drug addict convicted, it would still have to be approved for Nas to get the kid, lets be real that the system is not set up that way. The mother always gets the kids unless she is an axe murder. And im not complaining about what he has to pay, i could care less if they all fell off a bridge, especially Kelis, what im saying is that its a stupid ruling because he is just going to go to jail, he aint got that kind of money long term, take what you can now while he has it is what im saying, if you think NAS is going to be making money now or years to come, you are mistaken he is done with his cash days. So its a stupid ruling from a stupid judge for 2 stupid people who shouldnt have a kid anyway.
it's not a stupid ruling, it went the way it was supposed to go: according to Nas' known income at the time.

And if Nas wanted custody of his kid, he probably could get it. I don't even know Kelis and she comes off as absolutely insane to me.
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lastdecember said:



Men almost never get custody, thats not how the system is set, even if Kelis was unfit a drunk drug addict convicted, it would still have to be approved for Nas to get the kid, lets be real that the system is not set up that way. The mother always gets the kids unless she is an axe murder. And im not complaining about what he has to pay, i could care less if they all fell off a bridge, especially Kelis, what im saying is that its a stupid ruling because he is just going to go to jail, he aint got that kind of money long term, take what you can now while he has it is what im saying, if you think NAS is going to be making money now or years to come, you are mistaken he is done with his cash days. So its a stupid ruling from a stupid judge for 2 stupid people who shouldnt have a kid anyway.
it's not a stupid ruling, it went the way it was supposed to go: according to Nas' known income at the time.

And if Nas wanted custody of his kid, he probably could get it. I don't even know Kelis and she comes off as absolutely insane to me.


No actually its the right ruling in a stupid system, Nas couldnt get his own kid, there would have to be proof that she was unfit (for that they should just listen to her music) but that ruling is based on old income, peak income, those days are over. If i hit lotto now then got married and had a kid 3 years down the line, then got divorced the kid would get a ruling upon my highest amount of income, now if i had no job when i had the kid it wouldnt matter, he would get a ruling from the lotto days, which were over before the kid was born. The point is the court can easily see what NAS has, and what he makes a year average, and whetther that amount has been going up or down yearly which it is. Base the ruling on the average, and the trend of it, take into a account what line of work he is in, then take a certian % of what he's got you put that into account it earns interest and the COURT oversees the allowance not Kelis, 9times out of 10 these rulings turn into the mother going back to court and sayiing that 50,000 a month isnt enough, and that has had happend before with celebs. The court is already getting paid from all of this, make them DO THE WORK.

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FauxReal said:

Identity said:

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Child support payments are based on the parent(s)' income, and it includes medical care, daycare, clothes, food and so forth. And to think I thought Nas had deep pockets. Oh well, there's always the alternative: incarceration & public humiliation.



I'm aware of that. I pay child support myself. I just think some of the amounts are ridiculous regardless of the parent's income. It's "support"...you know, help, assistance. With the amounts they are asking in situations like these, the mom doesn't have to do shit on her end but sit back and collect.

The question is, how much would that kid be getting if the parents hadn't split?

If people are going to object to child support payments this high, (it would take me 4 years to make what Junior would be getting per month) then shouldn't they also be addressing how much is spent on a child by still-married couples with money?

A kid whose parents are married doesn't need that much money either.
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Reply #26 posted 02/21/10 1:24pm

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Or better yet, get custody of your child.


Easier said than done. Courts favor mothers, not overtly because that would look bad, but realistically...yeah.
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lastdecember said:

TD3 said:




lol Yes, the child does he or she has you standard of living. Just like my kid had a standard of living when she lived with use. What we earned/made determined how we all lived. The same principled is applied when parents split up. What can I tell ya... this is the reality. As long as I've known irrespective of income when you get a raise your kid gets a raise, it's called cost-of-living adjustments. Once again you don't to dictated what you think it should cost to take care of your child, your level of income/standard of living dictates that. Nor do you get to dictate how that money is spent to take care of the child. Fifty thousand, hundred thousand, or half a million per month is for that month.

Family law isn't my expertise... but I do handle pro bono child support cases. My partners that do handle high end child support payment tell what usually ends the conversation about the amount of payment ordered by the court are these two options.


1. File for joint custody: in most states this will reduce your payments.

2. You can file for primary custody of your children.

They pay. biggrin


The system is broken but not they way you think it, many parents aren't supporting their kids monetarily or emotionally. People who do take care of their kids and those who are childless pay out of pocket to subsidize their families.


All these should be though about before you decide to have kid(s) and/or get married.


But again, yes that is all understood, but that moment of "nas living" is not and will not continue, lets face it career wise he isnt part of the rap game anymore, nor has he been for awhile. So 50,000 a month is gonna dry up very quick, and this child and nas and kelis will have to be hit with reality. You are giving this child a false sense of living. A correct judgement would be what does Nas have right now, take a % for the kid and that gets put away and allowances be made from that. This judgement is assuming Nas has money like that, and it wont run out, well, he aint got it like that. And yes its his own fault for marrying and having a kid, which is why ALL of these celebs need to check the "dick" at the door, unless they got the wallet for all time.

I mean you basically are talking about 600,000 dollars a year, thats not even close to what Nas can handle long term. So you will see this in court forever, yet another waste of our money to pay for this system, and most likely Nas going to jail for not being able to pay.


Note: Nas had pleaded not guilty to owing back child support, he's innocent of these charges. We haven't heard both sides of the story nor evidence to make a determination of anyone's guilt.

I understand your point. It's difficult sometimes to explain to clients what appears to be cold tuff realties as it pertains to their circumstances and the law. Reality, the court doesn't care about the choices you made, how you've managed your money, your career choices, who you've married, divorced... that's your concern. The ruling is based on what Nas makes now. What happens to Nas or his ex-wife earning power over the course of their careers isn't relevant, that's for them to manage not a judge. If they don't provide for themselves nor the child for a rain day or "shit happens", that's on them. If Nas financial earnings change - they've decrease - he can request his child support payments be reduced. Once again, the court will ask to see financial earnings and make a judgement accordingly. The judge isn't assuming, that's why financial records are requested and must be presented so a judgement can be made accordingly.


Besides their jobs aren't anymore precarious than anyone else, stuff happens: illness, a recession, corporate downsizing, bankruptcy..... I wasn't blaming them for getting married or having a baby. I have know doubt like all people, they thought their union was life long but for whatever reason(s) things didn't workout. The problem can be is a lot of people don't ever consider the "what ifs" or understand long term obligations/responsibilities.

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FauxReal said:

Vendetta1 said:


Or better yet, get custody of your child.


Easier said than done. Courts favor mothers, not overtly because that would look bad, but realistically...yeah.
I believe that is because women are the primary caregivers BUT anything worth having is not easy. My own cousin has custody of his son.
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But again, yes that is all understood, but that moment of "nas living" is not and will not continue, lets face it career wise he isnt part of the rap game anymore, nor has he been for awhile. So 50,000 a month is gonna dry up very quick, and this child and nas and kelis will have to be hit with reality. You are giving this child a false sense of living. A correct judgement would be what does Nas have right now, take a % for the kid and that gets put away and allowances be made from that. This judgement is assuming Nas has money like that, and it wont run out, well, he aint got it like that. And yes its his own fault for marrying and having a kid, which is why ALL of these celebs need to check the "dick" at the door, unless they got the wallet for all time.

I mean you basically are talking about 600,000 dollars a year, thats not even close to what Nas can handle long term. So you will see this in court forever, yet another waste of our money to pay for this system, and most likely Nas going to jail for not being able to pay.


Note: Nas had pleaded not guilty to owing back child support, he's innocent of these charges. We haven't heard both sides of the story nor evidence to make a determination of anyone's guilt.

I understand your point. It's difficult sometimes to explain to clients what appears to be cold tuff realties as it pertains to their circumstances and the law. Reality, the court doesn't care about the choices you made, how you've managed your money, your career choices, who you've married, divorced... that's your concern. The ruling is based on what Nas makes now. What happens to Nas or his ex-wife earning power over the course of their careers isn't relevant, that's for them to manage not a judge. If they don't provide for themselves nor the child for a rain day or "shit happens", that's on them. If Nas financial earnings change - they've decrease - he can request his child support payments be reduced. Once again, the court will ask to see financial earnings and make a judgement accordingly. The judge isn't assuming, that's why financial records are requested and must be presented so a judgement can be made accordingly.


Besides their jobs aren't anymore precarious than anyone else, stuff happens: illness, a recession, corporate downsizing, bankruptcy..... I wasn't blaming them for getting married or having a baby. I have know doubt like all people, they thought their union was life long but for whatever reason(s) things didn't workout. The problem can be is a lot of people don't ever consider the "what ifs" or understand long term obligations/responsibilities.

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Actually the ruling isnt based on his current income, its more his worth now, which is why i am saying that take what you can now, because this cat aint gonna have 50,000 to give a month and it will cost more to take him to court and to pay for his jail time, then just making a wiser ruling.

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