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Lil Wayne's "Rebirth" universally panned by ciritcs.

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The album received generally negative reviews from most music critics, based on an aggregate score of 34/100 from Metacritic.[40] It is ranked sixth on the site's list of worst-reviewed albums.[41] Jeff Weiss of the Los Angeles Times gave it 1 out of 4 stars and called it "one of the worst albums of the year so far".[33] Chicago Sun-Times writer Jim DeRogatis gave it 1 out of 4 stars and called it a "wildly misguided experiment".[42] NME's Sam Wolfson gave Rebirth an 4/10 rating and wrote that Wayne "doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing".[35] Allmusic's David Jeffries gave Rebirth 2 out of 5 stars and described it as "a loud and ignorable bore".[30] Christian Hoard of Rolling Stone gave it 2½ out of 5 stars and perceived Wayne's "very questionable taste in rock" as weakness.[37] Joe Clay of The Times panned Wayne's singing and songwriting, calling his lyrics "devoid of humour and imagination".[43] HipHopDX.com columnist Alex Thornton viewed Wayne's taste in rock music as poor, writing "he’s mistakenly emulated the worst of the genre instead of digging a little bit deeper into something with a real soul".[44] The Guardian's Alexis Petridis gave the album 2 out of 5 stars and wrote "Given that everyone knows Carter can do so much better than this, it all smacks a bit of condescension, of locating a different audience, then talking down to them".[32]

In a generally mixed review, The Village Voice writer Christopher R. Weingarten wrote that Wayne's lyrics "still walk some fascinating line between signifying unmistakable genius, curious savant, or total dick", but viewed the album as lacking substance, stating "Wayne's big problem is that he seems to like the idea of rock music more than any actual rock music itself".[39] The New York Post's Dan Aquilante gave the album 2½ out of 5 stars and wrote "he does rap on the record, but that may not satisfy hard-core hip-hop fans who may view this as traitorous rather than musically adventurous".[45] Despite writing favorably of its few raps, Robert Ferguson of Drowned in Sound gave Rebirth a 5/10 rating and found fault with its "overblown choruses and riffs".[46] USA Today writer Steve Jones gave it 2 out of 4 stars and wrote "Rebirth is neither well-conceived nor artfully delivered".[38] Pitchfork Media's Ryan Dombal gave it a 4.5/10 rating and called it "an unlikely, unqualified, and quite unbelievable rock album".[36] Slant Magazine's Jesse Cataldo gave the album 1½ out of 5 stars, calling it "a total misperception of what makes a rock record" and describing its sound as "mostly unrecognizable, a twisted amalgam of tacky set pieces collected from throughout the genre's history".[47] The A.V. Club's Nathan Rabin gave Rebirth a D+ rating and viewed its sound and lyrics as clichéd, writing that it "plays like an over-the-top parody of a rock album".[48]

The Washington Post's Allison Stewart called Rebirth "profoundly, irretrievably awful" and "very much a thing unto itself, without a reason in the world for existing".[49] Giving Rebirth 1 out of 4 stars, Chicago Tribune critic Greg Kot panned Wayne's stylistic change and described his lyrics as "crushingly banal".[50] However, RapReviews writer John-Michael Bond gave it a 7/10 rating and found Wayne's attempt at rock music interesting, calling the album "uneven" with "moments of genius".[51] In contrast, IGN's Brian Linden viewed the album's musical concept as flawed and Wayne's lyrics as its major flaw, writing "It's as if the rock backdrop somehow exposes every songwriting flaw and lays it bare".[52] Leah Greenblatt of Entertainment Weekly gave it a D+ rating and compared Wayne's decision to record a rock album to basketball player Michael Jordan's attempt at baseball, stating "Jordan returned to the basketball court after one ill-fated season in the farm leagues; we can only hope for the same for Wayne".[31] In a generally unfavorable review, Jon Pareles of The New York Times wrote that its lyrics "stay dutifully on topic" and found "how it reveals a rapper’s view of rock" as interesting, writing "For Lil Wayne rock is bombast and cliché in which high-school traumas are avenged, heaven and hell are frequently invoked and existential predicaments are taken seriously".[34] Despite the generally negative criticism towards Rebirth, several music critics wrote favorably of its single "Drop the World" and Eminem's contribution on the song, viewing it as a highlight on the album.





I downloaded it just to hear it and omg I am not sure who directed this but I would not have let it get too far...its all over the place...no sense of direction at all....I was intrested in the fact that he was actually trying something new, other than Prom Queen and a track here or there....not liking him in the first place I just wanted to hear it 4 myself, and I was left ..wondering what he thought was correct in this. his manager should have a good talking to.

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Reply #1 posted 02/16/10 9:40am

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i liked it. i thought it was interesting, and a nice change. wtf do the critics know?
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Reply #2 posted 02/16/10 10:03am

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unique said:

i liked it. i thought it was interesting, and a nice change. wtf do the critics know?



that works in isolated instances, when it's a few review(er)s here and there, but when it's every single one of them, then they probably are actually onto something....
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Reply #3 posted 02/16/10 10:19am

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errant said:

unique said:

i liked it. i thought it was interesting, and a nice change. wtf do the critics know?



that works in isolated instances, when it's a few review(er)s here and there, but when it's every single one of them, then they probably are actually onto something....


fuck em, probably the same haters who didn't understand metal machine music and arcweld
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Reply #4 posted 02/16/10 11:32am

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total disaster
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Reply #5 posted 02/16/10 12:11pm

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Hey, at least he's trying something different. Personally, I'd rather ppl stuck to what they're good at, but I'm not mad at him for coming out of his comfort zone. He's already a shit rapper in my book, so its not like he'll lose a fan in me.
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Reply #6 posted 02/16/10 12:27pm

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lol drink
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Reply #7 posted 02/16/10 2:34pm

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unique said:

i liked it. i thought it was interesting, and a nice change. wtf do the critics know?



I also quite like this album. I wonder if for the simple fact that it's a totally different direction for him, people just can't wrap their narrow minded heads around it. God forbid someone should try something different. It's really not that bad. I've heard worse trust me.
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Reply #8 posted 02/16/10 2:42pm

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Its like they say, "opinions are like assholes...everyone has got one". Now i dont like or dislike the record mainly because i just dig wayne so i dont even get into his work, best thing he did was have Tammy Torres in a video, good thing it stopped short of her getting pregnant though. Critics are no better than the average joe on the street, with any artist i wanna hear from fans what they think, im not going to say someone who hates Beyonce, what did you think of the new Beyonce, i want to hear from fans, fans are less biased than people think, i mean look at the love/hate that Prince gets from fans, critics are very biased because many assoiciated with magazines and blogs and whatever have agendas, if an artist doesnt give an interview he can expect a bad review from a magazine regardless of his work.

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dancerella said:

unique said:

i liked it. i thought it was interesting, and a nice change. wtf do the critics know?



I also quite like this album. I wonder if for the simple fact that it's a totally different direction for him, people just can't wrap their narrow minded heads around it. God forbid someone should try something different. It's really not that bad. I've heard worse trust me.


ah, you heard newpowersoul!
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Reply #10 posted 02/16/10 3:11pm

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I hope this is the end of this gerbil's reign in popular music. I'm so sick of him.
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Reply #11 posted 02/16/10 4:29pm

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I knew it would turn out wrong when I read Li'l Wayne say before the release that he didn't even like or listen to rock music!?!
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Reply #12 posted 02/16/10 4:33pm

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they're are a few whack songs on it and moments (that "let's jump out a window, baby" song has gotta be the most god awful... shake), but it's not nearly as bad as it could'a been. i'm a fan (see signature stoned), but his best "albums" are mixtapes (da drought 3, no ceilings). his strong suit (imo) is jacking other people's beats and saying random shit for 3, 4 minutes and sometimes re-doing the hook, but he genarally sucks at choosing his own beats and hooks. his best, tha carter 3, is about a 1/4 of meh-ness hmm. him and jay are about the only not boring as fuck rappers in the game shrug. how else no one ever even talk about him kissing baby on the lips and thangs lol nuts
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Reply #13 posted 02/16/10 7:22pm

dancerella

unique said:

dancerella said:




I also quite like this album. I wonder if for the simple fact that it's a totally different direction for him, people just can't wrap their narrow minded heads around it. God forbid someone should try something different. It's really not that bad. I've heard worse trust me.


ah, you heard newpowersoul!



Damn that was raw! biggrin
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Reply #14 posted 02/16/10 7:25pm

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purplepolitician said:

they're are a few whack songs on it and moments (that "let's jump out a window, baby" song has gotta be the most god awful... shake), but it's not nearly as bad as it could'a been. i'm a fan (see signature stoned), but his best "albums" are mixtapes (da drought 3, no ceilings). his strong suit (imo) is jacking other people's beats and saying random shit for 3, 4 minutes and sometimes re-doing the hook, but he genarally sucks at choosing his own beats and hooks. his best, tha carter 3, is about a 1/4 of meh-ness hmm. him and jay are about the only not boring as fuck rappers in the game shrug. how else no one ever even talk about him kissing baby on the lips and thangs lol nuts


i'd say Get A Life is the worst song ever falloff
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Reply #15 posted 02/16/10 8:51pm

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InsatiableCream said:

purplepolitician said:

they're are a few whack songs on it and moments (that "let's jump out a window, baby" song has gotta be the most god awful... shake), but it's not nearly as bad as it could'a been. i'm a fan (see signature stoned), but his best "albums" are mixtapes (da drought 3, no ceilings). his strong suit (imo) is jacking other people's beats and saying random shit for 3, 4 minutes and sometimes re-doing the hook, but he genarally sucks at choosing his own beats and hooks. his best, tha carter 3, is about a 1/4 of meh-ness hmm. him and jay are about the only not boring as fuck rappers in the game shrug. how else no one ever even talk about him kissing baby on the lips and thangs lol nuts


i'd say Get A Life is the worst song ever falloff

at least you took the time to listen to it's awfulness touched
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Reply #16 posted 02/16/10 9:12pm

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CynicKill said:

I knew it would turn out wrong when I read Li'l Wayne say before the release that he didn't even like or listen to rock music!?!

neutral What a dummy...lol If you don't like or listen to something, why would you try it?! lol
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Timmy84 said:

CynicKill said:

I knew it would turn out wrong when I read Li'l Wayne say before the release that he didn't even like or listen to rock music!?!

neutral What a dummy...lol If you don't like or listen to something, why would you try it?! lol
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to get paid, of course...duh rolleyes razz
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lastdecember said:

Its like they say, "opinions are like assholes...everyone has got one". Now i dont like or dislike the record mainly because i just dig wayne so i dont even get into his work, best thing he did was have Tammy Torres in a video, good thing it stopped short of her getting pregnant though. Critics are no better than the average joe on the street, with any artist i wanna hear from fans what they think, im not going to say someone who hates Beyonce, what did you think of the new Beyonce, i want to hear from fans, fans are less biased than people think, i mean look at the love/hate that Prince gets from fans, critics are very biased because many assoiciated with magazines and blogs and whatever have agendas, if an artist doesnt give an interview he can expect a bad review from a magazine regardless of his work.



problem with this entire view is that most of the same publications gave glowing reviews to his last one, so clearly they aren't biased against him.
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Reply #19 posted 02/17/10 5:29am

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paisleypark4 said:

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The album received generally negative reviews from most music critics, based on an aggregate score of 34/100 from Metacritic.[40] It is ranked sixth on the site's list of worst-reviewed albums.[41] Jeff Weiss of the Los Angeles Times gave it 1 out of 4 stars and called it "one of the worst albums of the year so far".[33] Chicago Sun-Times writer Jim DeRogatis gave it 1 out of 4 stars and called it a "wildly misguided experiment".[42] NME's Sam Wolfson gave Rebirth an 4/10 rating and wrote that Wayne "doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing".[35] Allmusic's David Jeffries gave Rebirth 2 out of 5 stars and described it as "a loud and ignorable bore".[30] Christian Hoard of Rolling Stone gave it 2½ out of 5 stars and perceived Wayne's "very questionable taste in rock" as weakness.[37] Joe Clay of The Times panned Wayne's singing and songwriting, calling his lyrics "devoid of humour and imagination".[43] HipHopDX.com columnist Alex Thornton viewed Wayne's taste in rock music as poor, writing "he’s mistakenly emulated the worst of the genre instead of digging a little bit deeper into something with a real soul".[44] The Guardian's Alexis Petridis gave the album 2 out of 5 stars and wrote "Given that everyone knows Carter can do so much better than this, it all smacks a bit of condescension, of locating a different audience, then talking down to them".[32]

In a generally mixed review, The Village Voice writer Christopher R. Weingarten wrote that Wayne's lyrics "still walk some fascinating line between signifying unmistakable genius, curious savant, or total dick", but viewed the album as lacking substance, stating "Wayne's big problem is that he seems to like the idea of rock music more than any actual rock music itself".[39] The New York Post's Dan Aquilante gave the album 2½ out of 5 stars and wrote "he does rap on the record, but that may not satisfy hard-core hip-hop fans who may view this as traitorous rather than musically adventurous".[45] Despite writing favorably of its few raps, Robert Ferguson of Drowned in Sound gave Rebirth a 5/10 rating and found fault with its "overblown choruses and riffs".[46] USA Today writer Steve Jones gave it 2 out of 4 stars and wrote "Rebirth is neither well-conceived nor artfully delivered".[38] Pitchfork Media's Ryan Dombal gave it a 4.5/10 rating and called it "an unlikely, unqualified, and quite unbelievable rock album".[36] Slant Magazine's Jesse Cataldo gave the album 1½ out of 5 stars, calling it "a total misperception of what makes a rock record" and describing its sound as "mostly unrecognizable, a twisted amalgam of tacky set pieces collected from throughout the genre's history".[47] The A.V. Club's Nathan Rabin gave Rebirth a D+ rating and viewed its sound and lyrics as clichéd, writing that it "plays like an over-the-top parody of a rock album".[48]

The Washington Post's Allison Stewart called Rebirth "profoundly, irretrievably awful" and "very much a thing unto itself, without a reason in the world for existing".[49] Giving Rebirth 1 out of 4 stars, Chicago Tribune critic Greg Kot panned Wayne's stylistic change and described his lyrics as "crushingly banal".[50] However, RapReviews writer John-Michael Bond gave it a 7/10 rating and found Wayne's attempt at rock music interesting, calling the album "uneven" with "moments of genius".[51] In contrast, IGN's Brian Linden viewed the album's musical concept as flawed and Wayne's lyrics as its major flaw, writing "It's as if the rock backdrop somehow exposes every songwriting flaw and lays it bare".[52] Leah Greenblatt of Entertainment Weekly gave it a D+ rating and compared Wayne's decision to record a rock album to basketball player Michael Jordan's attempt at baseball, stating "Jordan returned to the basketball court after one ill-fated season in the farm leagues; we can only hope for the same for Wayne".[31] In a generally unfavorable review, Jon Pareles of The New York Times wrote that its lyrics "stay dutifully on topic" and found "how it reveals a rapper’s view of rock" as interesting, writing "For Lil Wayne rock is bombast and cliché in which high-school traumas are avenged, heaven and hell are frequently invoked and existential predicaments are taken seriously".[34] Despite the generally negative criticism towards Rebirth, several music critics wrote favorably of its single "Drop the World" and Eminem's contribution on the song, viewing it as a highlight on the album.





I downloaded it just to hear it and omg I am not sure who directed this but I would not have let it get too far...its all over the place...no sense of direction at all....I was intrested in the fact that he was actually trying something new, other than Prom Queen and a track here or there....not liking him in the first place I just wanted to hear it 4 myself, and I was left ..wondering what he thought was correct in this. his manager should have a good talking to.


You owe your ears an apology lol
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bboy87 said:

paisleypark4 said:

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I downloaded it just to hear it and omg I am not sure who directed this but I would not have let it get too far...its all over the place...no sense of direction at all....I was intrested in the fact that he was actually trying something new, other than Prom Queen and a track here or there....not liking him in the first place I just wanted to hear it 4 myself, and I was left ..wondering what he thought was correct in this. his manager should have a good talking to.


You owe your ears an apology lol



I can hear what he MEANT to do, however he just dont have the EAR for the kind of music he was trying to make. I really do give him some effort for the try though, alot more rappers need to break the mold. At least he can say he did....I still cant stand him personally though. Soemthing is just off on the album and mainly what it is that there is no direction, theme or motive.
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Reply #21 posted 02/17/10 1:31pm

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Come on.. It's Lil Wayne.


Take it as fun music. nothing more.
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Sdldawn said:

Come on.. It's Lil Wayne.


Take it as fun music. nothing more.


Right on nod
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Reply #23 posted 02/17/10 2:07pm

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Timmy84 said:


neutral What a dummy...lol If you don't like or listen to something, why would you try it?! lol
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to get paid, of course...duh rolleyes razz


Please he already gets paid for his shitty hop. lol
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