GaryMF said:

Well Gary, this arguement that your arguing against is just as silly as the argument that Janet did not set the trend that allowed for Jody...especially when we have sited historical references (and articles) that point it out.

Everybody is coming off looking like they, what was it you typed, "ig'nant"?

I aint even gonna waist an eyeroll emoticon.

sosgemini said:

Honestly I must have missed it Nick. What historical references and articles? I do not understand how it is possible that Jodi would not have been dancing in her videos considering that is what she always was.

Vendetta1 said:

I mentioned an MTV show that aired in the 80's that discussed all the artist that followed Janet's trendsetting, someone else posted an article where a media pundit brought up Jody in a discussion about Janet. It's just silly, IMHO, for people to deny the basic business 101 that is involved with studio's A/R. Janet (exibit A) made a crap load of money for it's label and other A/R peeps looked into their files for similiar artist. Aint nobody saying Jody is identical or ripped off Janet, just that Janet set the musical trend that allowed for artist like Jody, Paula, Nia Peeples, Karen Wight and Shanice. Heck, Shanice was even produced by Janet's managers and they made no qualms about the fact they were trying to create another "Janet" phenom. Again, this has nothing to do with trying to copy Janet but everything to do with replicating a label's success with a similarly "themed" artist.

It's like trying to discount that Suzie Q, Regina, Samantha Fox and others weren't being pushed as the next Madonna. But, I'm done with this conversation. I'm out.

Vendetta1 said:

Are you serious?

midiscover said:

Yeah I'm serious. and while I see Nick's point I will stick to my own opinion on this. Jodi Watley was dancing on stage with Shalamar before she became a solo artist and i don't think it's altogether that impossible to fathom her success had nothing to do with Janet's.

And I know it is pointless trying to have a conversation with some of Janet's fans so I'm bowing out now, too.

Vendetta1 said:

Um okay so rocking shoulders from side to side is dancing to you? We're talking about straight choreography with short film music videos. Any one that thinks she would've even been signed as a solo artist without the success of Control is clearly in denial. I have plenty of articles pointing out the influence Janet had on the industry with that album. So Jody can thank Janet for her crossover success with Control because that opened a door for her. Also explain why her label didn't know what to do with her after RN1814 was released?

GaryMF said:

Throb does have a house beat. Who knows where u go to listen to your house music...U know house music don't mean its played in a house......

has a p feel .. where is jw now ..? she was cool
[Edited 2/17/10 18:39pm]

So the argument now is Throb isn't house?

It's nu-jazz/acid house. Deal.

All these essays aren't necessary. I'm sure even Jody will agree that Janet opened doors for her. No, being a part of a black R&B group doesn't mean she was already ahead of Janet. Jody changed her whole style and sound when she went solo. Again, she can thank Janet.

Anyways, this thread reeks fail

trueiopian said:

I think it's NoVideo.

Vendetta1 said:

yeah, it's kinda pointless to argue. Janet single-handedly made it possible for black women to have success singing pop/R&B/dance songs. It had never been done before, and never would have occurred if not for the release of "Control". Everything that came before was a vast mirage. I'm totally convinced.

How ironic

No one said she single handily did There's just no denying that she opened doors for black females like Jody Wately Who followed her career and tried to imitate the things she has done.

mad?

trueiopian said:

You guys can state your OPINIONS until the cows come home and it does not make them true. And I did not say her being part of Shalamar meant she was ahead of Janet. Mainly because I cannot fathom why they are being compared in the first place. Being that Jody was dancing on Soul Train since the 70s and that she was dancing as part of Shalamar means TO ME that it makes sense she was dancing in her videos.

Pill started this video because he just liked the song. Every thread here does not have to turn into some "how Janet Jackson is God" thread.

And for the genius that "tried" to crack on me about house music, I've been into house music for 26 years now. And the fact does not change that Throb came out way after Jody had reached her peak of fame.

Madonna was dancing in videos three or four years before Janet came out. Maybe Janet owes her success to Madonna.

midiscover said:

NoVideo has remained respectful to you guys even though she does not agree. i have no idea why you want to get personal.

midiscover said:

You're a guy? That's hilarious.

Vendetta1 said:

I think so

Are you?

Vendetta1 said:

No, she has some issues.

NoVideo said:

More power and much love to you, No Video.

midiscover said:

No she doesn't. And even if you believe that, there is still no reason to make personal digs at people

midiscover said:

who is she? lol

midiscover said:

Nope, I'm a chick. Everything just makes more sense to me now.

y'all have fun on this thread.

Vendetta1 said:

much love to you as well! don't worry about me, i in no way take anything written on a message board personally. it's only arguing about music, after all which we all love, or we wouldn't care to argue

Vendetta1 said:

and i'm not a chick, heh. somehow everything got reversed there for a minute, lol

Vendetta1 said:

Would've never guessed

I'm sure you will be back in here in no time

NoVideo said:

Oh I'm sorry.

Vendetta1 said:

and of course you're back in here. I thought you bowed out?

Kudos to you for being into house for 26 years. No one said Throb came out before Jody's peak. The person that brought it was simply stating that Janet has done house music.

Was Jody doing straight choreography with back up dancers before Janet came out with Control? Nope.

I don't think Madonna was doing it either before Janet came out with Control. At least, I don't recall seeing any videos of her doing straight choreo with back up dancers.
[Edited 2/17/10 19:09pm]

Vendetta1 said:

it's all good.

phunkdaddy said:

Yeah, Jody was signed and was working on her album before Control became a notable success of any kind.

trueiopian said:

I guess you never saw the video to "Lucky Star"??

sosgemini said:

Only 1 TV show and 1 article has been CITED..... nevertheless.....


I think the reality lies somewhere in between, or put another way, the following statements are NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE:

1) Jody Watley had her own career and developed it in her own unique way/style

2) Janet had an enormous amount of success with Control and RN 1814 (in fact more success than Jody in terms of $, sales etc.) and likley Janet's success helped create momentum that only reinforced Jody's career.

Gosh this is starting to be like the Prince/Wendy & Lisa debate that comes up all the time. Poeple don't seem to get that 2 artists can both be successful and influence each other without denegrating the other.