Donna couldn't dance. She just stood there and posed. Janet & Jody danced and were known for there dancing. Try again[/b]

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

so? WTF does that have to do with anything?

The statement I was commenting on was this: "Seriously though, one thing you need to remember is that Janet was the first r&b/pop/dance female black artist."

Last time I checked, Donna is black and female.

She had 18 Top 40 pop hits, 24 Top 40 Dance Hits, and 26 Top 40 R&B hits before "Control" was released.
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NoVideo said:

and Diane and Donna didn't dance up a storm in their videos. Folks, this ain't my own testimony...this is what the media pundits said back in the day. You all be tripping harder than Vanilla Ice on this ish...

sosgemini said:

ahhh gotcha, so what you meant to say was: "Seriously though, one thing you need to remember is that Janet was the first r&b/pop/dance female black artist who danced up a storm in her music videos."

Too bad Tina Turner just stood there on stage like a statue. If only Janet had been around to show her the way....

NoVideo said:

You're really butthurt over this discussion aren't you?

sosgemini said:

Nope Just amused by some of the wilder claims about Janet that get thrown around on here.

NoVideo said:

Let me give a scenario that I've always found implausible. It's the, "ohhh, everybody thought Madonna was black when she first came out" theory. Now, soulealive will post this bit o history till he's blue yet I didn't think this nor did I know anyone who did...however, that's how these pop culture references go. I'd be acting like a two year old if I tried to discredit soul and others remembrance of history.

So tell me, how do you like appearing to others?

sosgemini said:

Everybody I knew thought Madonna was black when they first heard Holiday, and before the Borderline and Lucky Star videos started getting wide airplay

Stating Janet Jackson wasn't the first pop/dance/R&B black female artist isn't a matter of denying someone's rememberance of history - it's just a matter of correcting a factual misstatement, something that happens all the time on forums dedicated to the discussion of music. That's all.

NoVideo said:

and Diane and Donna didn't dance up a storm in their videos. Folks, this ain't my own testimony...this is what the media pundits said back in the day. You all be tripping harder than Vanilla Ice on this ish...

sosgemini said:

Everybody I knew thought Madonna was black when they first heard Holiday, and before the Borderline and Lucky Star videos started getting wide airplay

Stating Janet Jackson wasn't the first pop/dance/R&B black female artist isn't a matter of denying someone's rememberance of history - it's just a matter of correcting a factual misstatement, something that happens all the time on forums dedicated to the discussion of music. That's all.

Yeah, but you haven't disproved anything. Tina didn't have choreographed and back up dancers in her video. Stop acting like a two year old...come on!

There was a hole show on MTV back in the late 80s were they discussed all all the pop/r&b/dance female artist that Janet inspired (or that they considered greenlit by studios due to Janet's popularity). They showed videos of Jody, Shanice, Nia Peeples, Karen White and Paula Abdul. Me thinks your butthurt and just need to move along.

sosgemini said:

Your original statement had nothing to do with dancing, period. You said "one thing you need to remember is that Janet was the first r&b/pop/dance female black artist." Period.

Then when I pointed out that was a ridiculous statement, you changed what you had originally tried to say and inserted dancing ability into the equation, as if that is an essential requirement for a r&b/pop/dance female black artist.

I like Janet well enough as I've said many times before, but to say that Janet was the first is doing a disservice to all of the incredible black female artists that came before her.
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Your original statement had nothing to do with dancing, period. You said "one thing you need to remember is that Janet was the first r&b/pop/dance female black artist." Period.

Then when I pointed out that was a ridiculous statement, you changed what you had originally tried to say and inserted dancing ability into the equation, as if that is an essential requirement for a r&b/pop/dance female black artist.

I like Janet well enough as I've said many times before, but to say that Janet was the first is doing a disservice to all of the incredible black female artists that came before her.
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FYI, Donna Summers isn't the first R&B/Pop/Dance black female artist. What a ridiculous thing to say.

She is a pioneer and an icon.....[/b]....

trueiopian said:

Agreed.... who said that?

sosgemini said:

You.

Hey, NoVideo, if you find yourself getting into internet fights for no apparent reason, just walk away. It's the constant feeling inside, that you have to get the last word in, that will do you in again and again.

trueiopian said:

Um, nope. Never said that. Donna Summer is just one illustration that - gasp - there were in fact black female pop/dance/R&B artists before Janet Jackson burst onto the scene.

Diana Ross is another, as another poster noted.

Tina Turner. Patti LaBelle. Chaka Khan. The list goes on.

trueiopian said:

Um, nope. Never said that. Donna Summer is just one illustration that - gasp - there were in fact black female pop/dance/R&B artists before Janet Jackson burst onto the scene.

Diana Ross is another, as another poster noted.

Tina Turner. Patti LaBelle. Chaka Khan. The list goes on.

So you're retracting your comment now?

trueiopian said:

Reading comprehension is a powerful thing. You should look into it.

...ahem...back to the topic of this thread...

PurpleJedi said:

But that's off topic too...and i'm not a jan fan...I just hate when peeps pick fights and deny cultural significants.

My goodness, could this thread get any further off topic?! The Janet-lovers/defenders come out in droves, don't they? If you don't like Jody, then leave it at that.