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Reply #30 posted 02/08/10 7:20pm

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Didn't they show footage of Rick during Motown 25?


Yeah script they showed an old video clip of Rick's promoting the album "Bustin Out Of L 7even" from 1979, that's all the Punk Funk the audience got that night
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Reply #31 posted 02/08/10 7:47pm

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What happened to just a plain and simple "I don't know". Unless somebody can present an article, we won't know the actually reason.
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Reply #32 posted 02/08/10 7:50pm

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Maybe he was on the outs with Berry
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Reply #33 posted 02/08/10 7:58pm

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If I rememeber right he talked about it in his book 'Confessions Of A Super Freak", it's been awhile since I read it.
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Reply #34 posted 02/08/10 8:18pm

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Rick was too busy scoping, roping, and doping! lol
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Reply #35 posted 02/08/10 8:23pm

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Simple: Rick James was "not ready for prime time". Berry Gordy didn't even bother to invite him. It was more about the roster from the "classic days" but some of the "classic era" artists (like Gladys Knight, Junior Walker, the Marvelettes, etc.) were NOT invited and neither were any of the session musicians.
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Reply #36 posted 02/08/10 8:31pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

He was fighting Charlie Murphy that night, he couldn't make it.

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Reply #37 posted 02/08/10 8:37pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

He was fighting Charlie Murphy that night, he couldn't make it.

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Reply #38 posted 02/08/10 8:41pm

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Check out part 2 beginning at 2:32. evillol

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Reply #39 posted 02/08/10 9:34pm

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Check out part 2 beginning at 2:32. evillol

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Reply #40 posted 02/08/10 11:06pm

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Check out part 2 beginning at 2:32. evillol

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I didn't even listen to Pt.2
Figured it was just more Rick rantin' & ravin'. disbelief



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Reply #41 posted 02/08/10 11:09pm

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vainandy said:


Check out part 2 beginning at 2:32. evillol

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I didn't even listen to Pt.2
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Reply #42 posted 02/09/10 5:38am

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Simple: Rick James was "not ready for prime time". Berry Gordy didn't even bother to invite him. It was more about the roster from the "classic days" but some of the "classic era" artists (like Gladys Knight, Junior Walker, the Marvelettes, etc.) were NOT invited and neither were any of the session musicians.



hmmm the only problem with that theory is....the show featured DeBarge and High Inergy.These two acts weren't exactly "classic" Motown performers.Hell,High Inergy was a one-hot wonder act from the late 70s and DeBarge was a relatively new act.In 1983,Rick James was still "hot",with a slew of hit albums and songs.He was riding high,commercially.

I'd be willing to bet that he was invited,but chose not to attend,for some reason.
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Reply #43 posted 02/09/10 6:31am

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He was probably passed out on Eddie's couch anyway.

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Reply #44 posted 02/09/10 6:45am

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Timmy84 said:

Simple: Rick James was "not ready for prime time". Berry Gordy didn't even bother to invite him. It was more about the roster from the "classic days" but some of the "classic era" artists (like Gladys Knight, Junior Walker, the Marvelettes, etc.) were NOT invited and neither were any of the session musicians.



hmmm the only problem with that theory is....the show featured DeBarge and High Inergy.These two acts weren't exactly "classic" Motown performers.Hell,High Inergy was a one-hot wonder act from the late 70s and DeBarge was a relatively new act.In 1983,Rick James was still "hot",with a slew of hit albums and songs.He was riding high,commercially.

I'd be willing to bet that he was invited,but chose not to attend,for some reason.


Rick seems to be known for "woodshedding" back in the day; disapearing and just doing his own thing. If this woodshedding notion and his other recreational activities got mixed in together he could have conceiveably disapeared for quite some time. And I think that the feeling of some that Berry would not be down with someone as wild as Rick being the Face of Motown on its 25 Anniversary could have some validity. "Stevie, you gotta see this hat!" What was gonna be next?
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Reply #45 posted 02/09/10 6:50am

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hmmm the only problem with that theory is....the show featured DeBarge and High Inergy.These two acts weren't exactly "classic" Motown performers.Hell,High Inergy was a one-hot wonder act from the late 70s and DeBarge was a relatively new act.In 1983,Rick James was still "hot",with a slew of hit albums and songs.He was riding high,commercially.

I'd be willing to bet that he was invited,but chose not to attend,for some reason.


Rick seems to be known for "woodshedding" back in the day; disapearing and just doing his own thing. If this woodshedding notion and his other recreational activities got mixed in together he could have conceiveably disapeared for quite some time. And I think that the feeling of some that Berry would not be down with someone as wild as Rick being the Face of Motown on its 25 Anniversary could have some validity. "Stevie, you gotta see this hat!" What was gonna be next?


That's probably true nod
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Reply #46 posted 02/09/10 7:58am

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Timmy84 said:

Simple: Rick James was "not ready for prime time". Berry Gordy didn't even bother to invite him. It was more about the roster from the "classic days" but some of the "classic era" artists (like Gladys Knight, Junior Walker, the Marvelettes, etc.) were NOT invited and neither were any of the session musicians.

Yeah I recall watching a documentary and saw that the Funk Brothers were shunned. And actually James Jamerson was there sitting up high in the stands. I think he died not too long after that, nearly penniless.
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Reply #47 posted 02/09/10 11:12am

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Rick was a somewhat strange artist for Motown, more rock/hard funk than the slick RnB, so it makes some sense that he wasn't there in terms of the usual Motown sound. DeBarge were seen as a Jackson-like Motown RnB group for the 80s, so they fit in seamlessly. Motown did have a few rock acts over the years, but that's not what you normally associated w/ the label.

If Rick were gonna be on, they'd have probably worked him in w/ the Tempts (I'm guessing), but they performed w/ the Tops who def fit the nostalgic Motown mold this show was going for.

On 2nd thought, Adam Ant was there hmmm eek
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Reply #48 posted 02/09/10 11:15am

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His crack pipe had other plans.
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Reply #49 posted 02/09/10 11:24am

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Let’s get back to an important point-by the time this aired-was Rick still on about MTV not showing black artists? Because MJ and Prince were mainstays at this point on MTV. My theory is that the whole rant that Rick had against MTV, while legit stemmed more from the fact that Rick knew that while MTV would eventually play MJ and Prince, they would never play him
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Reply #50 posted 02/09/10 12:02pm

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missfee said:

Timmy84 said:

Simple: Rick James was "not ready for prime time". Berry Gordy didn't even bother to invite him. It was more about the roster from the "classic days" but some of the "classic era" artists (like Gladys Knight, Junior Walker, the Marvelettes, etc.) were NOT invited and neither were any of the session musicians.

Yeah I recall watching a documentary and saw that the Funk Brothers were shunned. And actually James Jamerson was there sitting up high in the stands. I think he died not too long after that, nearly penniless.


Yeah he died that August.
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Reply #51 posted 02/09/10 12:32pm

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Did Berry at least pay funeral expenses? How did he end up broke?
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Reply #52 posted 02/09/10 12:33pm

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Did Berry at least pay funeral expenses? How did he end up broke?


As far as I know, no.
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Reply #53 posted 02/09/10 6:16pm

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scriptgirl said:

Let’s get back to an important point-by the time this aired-was Rick still on about MTV not showing black artists? Because MJ and Prince were mainstays at this point on MTV. My theory is that the whole rant that Rick had against MTV, while legit stemmed more from the fact that Rick knew that while MTV would eventually play MJ and Prince, they would never play him

The thing is when MTV began, they played Eddy Grant's video and maybe Tina Turner sometimes, but black R&B and funk artists were nowhere on the channel, which Rick complained about

this is from the February 19, 1983 issue of Billboard

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Reply #54 posted 02/09/10 6:24pm

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Notice the date: February 19, 1983...
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Reply #55 posted 02/09/10 6:42pm

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Didn't they show footage of Rick during Motown 25?


I think ur right!
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Reply #56 posted 02/09/10 7:24pm

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Bboy-where did you pull that article from?
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Reply #57 posted 02/09/10 8:48pm

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Bboy-where did you pull that article from?

Google books. I was looking for articles on MJ and found that one lol
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Reply #58 posted 02/10/10 12:07am

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Let’s get back to an important point-by the time this aired-was Rick still on about MTV not showing black artists? Because MJ and Prince were mainstays at this point on MTV. My theory is that the whole rant that Rick had against MTV, while legit stemmed more from the fact that Rick knew that while MTV would eventually play MJ and Prince, they would never play him


Rick later pointed out,with some irony,that MTV had no problem playing songs that he wrote and produced for other artists lol Eddie Murphy's "Party All The Time" (which featured Rick in the video) was all over MTV in 1985,as was The Mary Jane Girls' "In My House" video.
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Reply #59 posted 02/10/10 4:56pm

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SoulAlive said:

scriptgirl said:

Let’s get back to an important point-by the time this aired-was Rick still on about MTV not showing black artists? Because MJ and Prince were mainstays at this point on MTV. My theory is that the whole rant that Rick had against MTV, while legit stemmed more from the fact that Rick knew that while MTV would eventually play MJ and Prince, they would never play him


Rick later pointed out,with some irony,that MTV had no problem playing songs that he wrote and produced for other artists lol Eddie Murphy's "Party All The Time" (which featured Rick in the video) was all over MTV in 1985,as was The Mary Jane Girls' "In My House" video.

MTV execs probably flipped ouot when he caught him in Party All The Time lol

WHAT! how did he slip in this muthafucka?!
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