Timmy84 said:

I get ur point, but u have 2 look at the kind of music these guys sing now. Most people don't really sing "gospel" songs. It tends to be more "inspirational" than "gospel". "Gospel" means spreading the word of Jesus. I'm no Bible scholar, but Jesus never preached about living in big houses or driving luxury cars.

In today's society, Gospel music is about making people "feel good". Artists like Mary Mary, Kirk, Donnie, etc. has music that is more about inspiration. Listen to the lyrics.

daPrettyman said:

Feel good while being ignorant also (Donnie lol). I can't listen to Kirk...he keeps sampling music I know.

missfee said:

Just don't feed him hot grits. He might have a flashback.
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Of course these guys aren't any different than most of us but at
least they're trying to spread joy and gospel into others lives.
And even in doing that they're going to fall short of God's glory
just like the rest of us. I'm not even a huge fan of Kirk Franklin but
i don't have a problem with him doing what he does for a living. Just
like him, Yolanda Adams and others when spreading the gospel and big money
gets involved comes problems and it's up to them to not let the money
ruin them.

In terms of the Bible definition of Christian - I don't know any. Glad I am not one and never try to be.

phunkdaddy said:

Nobody's disputing that.

The discussion here is about some of the folks in the gospel circle who live in glass houses and run a muck like the rest of us human beings, but will be the FIRST to cast a stone and condemn everyone who supposedly doesn't live by "the word" as if they're in authority to pass judgment.

daPrettyman said:

Feel good while being ignorant also (Donnie lol). I can't listen to Kirk...he keeps sampling music I know.

A quick story about Kirk. I used to work at a Gospel radio station here in Dallas. As most of you know, Kirk lives here. When the God's Property album came out, the program director refused to play the remix version of "Stomp" with the "One Nation Under A Groove" sample. He felt it was too "secular" to play. Kirk asked him about it and he explained to Kirk that he had a problem playing a song with Salt rapping on it when a few years earlier, she was singing "Shoop". Needless to say, the PD never played the remix of this song or of the 2nd single (the one that used the "Heartbreak Hotel" sample from The Jacksons). I think it was "You Are The Only One".

Timmy84 said:

I've figured out that Kirk does this to get Urban Radio airplay. When you listen to his albums, most of his stuff is original.



A quick story about Kirk. I used to work at a Gospel radio station here in Dallas. As most of you know, Kirk lives here. When the God's Property album came out, the program director refused to play the remix version of "Stomp" with the "One Nation Under A Groove" sample. He felt it was too "secular" to play. Kirk asked him about it and he explained to Kirk that he had a problem playing a song with Salt rapping on it when a few years earlier, she was singing "Shoop". Needless to say, the PD never played the remix of this song or of the 2nd single (the one that used the "Heartbreak Hotel" sample from The Jacksons). I think it was "You Are The Only One".
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daPrettyman said:

Wow, that's interesting story..Salt really became religious later in life and that guy was still harping on her secular days..and he wouldn't play a gospel song with samples in it?..I wonder if he's still that close minded now? many gospels songs have a secular feel to them these days.

daPrettyman said:

That's pretty jacked up that the program director would take that stance against, for as I thought at the time, she had become saved ? If by accepting Jesus Christ as your savior, you are redeemed in the eyes of God and purified, aren't we also (according to The Word) supposed to forgive as Christ and the Lord himself would and not judge? Wow, seems like he kinda missed the memo on that one

Ottensen said:

He didn't have a problem with Salt as a person. He had a problem with a song like "Stomp" using a "secular" rap artist and sampling a "secular" song. No one questioned him because he was the boss. He did play the original version of the song (which wasn't as popular).

phunkdaddy said:

Nobody's disputing that.

The discussion here is about some of the folks in the gospel circle who live in glass houses and run a muck like the rest of us human beings, but will be the FIRST to cast a stone and condemn everyone who supposedly doesn't live by "the word" as if they're in authority to pass judgment.

Harlepolis said:

I can't dispute it. I don't follow these guys personal lives enough to
know whether they are throwing stones and what have you but it's much
easier for folks to throw stones at them because of the position there in.
For the most part when the rest of us have our own indiscretions,it's cliche
to say oh well people in the church sin or throw a stone at someone in that
arena. I'm just looking at it from both sides of the fence. They aren't
perfect and have no right to condemn anyone and the rest of us aren't perfect and have no right to condemn them for what they do even if all of them
aren't perfect. You have to pretty much keep your own house in order.

daPrettyman said:

Kirk's concept was very controversial at the time. His messages are inspiring and yes I do love the fact that he samples funk music for his gospel. I personally think the deejay went over the mark when he tried to state why he didn't wanna play it.

I found this quote from her to be very interstong:



This is the article, its only part 1 out of 3: http://elev8.com/daily-of...rt-series/

This is the most honest interview I ever read from Ms.Price, usually she's very diplomatic and private about her life(although I knew about her homelessness). She gets alot of props from me.

Harlepolis said:

Ask Amy Grant.

xlr8r said:

Its a "no shit" moment for us indeed, but rarely do you find an artist(and R&B artist at that) speak about their gospel peers in that light.

She'll get called on it, by the same folks she referred to.

Harlepolis said:

Kirk fought porn, and Donnie fought homosexuality.

TonyVanDam said:

What about Amy?

Sure enough, Amy generated some controversy within the christian community due to her crossover-pop appeal (notice the jacket that Amy is wearing as part of "the image"). But the main thing that CCM fans overlooked is the fact that record executives (secular OR gospel/CCM) always want their artists to have high album sales. This is still THE music industry.

Harlepolis said:

The music career of Amy Grant started off as an CCM artist in the late 70's and first half of the 80's. Overtime, her music was getting more mainstream pop sounding to the point that her own record label executives started promoting Amy on Top 40 FM radio and MTV during the release of the Unguarded album in 1985.





Sure enough, Amy generated some controversy within the christian community due to her crossover-pop appeal (notice the jacket that Amy is wearing as part of "the image"). But the main thing that CCM fans overlooked is the fact that record executives (secular OR gospel/CCM) always want their artists to have high album sales. This is still THE music industry.