TonyVanDam said:

Like who?

NoVideo said:

Where are you getting your stats?

She has 5 #1 singles, NOT 9.

midiscover said:

As I indicated above, the numbers include both her solo work and her work with Destiny's Child.

#1 singles with DC:

Bills Bills Bills
Say My Name
Independent Women Part 1
Bootylicious

#1 singles solo:

Crazy in Love
Baby Boy
Check on It
Irreplaceable
Single Ladies


Nine.
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NoVideo said:

Beyonce IS a solo act so her achievements as a solo act are to be looked when discussing HER legacy.

midiscover said:

oh really? So Diana Ross's legacy has nothing to do with the Supremes? When one talks about Paul McCartney's legacy, it's all about his solo career? We can discard the Jacksons and the Jackson 5 when discussing MJ's legacy?

I think not.

NoVideo said:

Did I say that?

No. But when discussing them as a solo act people discuss their achievements as just that! For example, MJ has like 13 #1 as a solo act and 4 with the J5 that doesn't mean he has 19 #1's!

scriptgirl said:

I am not sure about Justin or Britney. Remember Spice Girls? Who cares today?

I don´t think any of today´s artist will have any legacy at all.

Beyonce-It doesn't matter if you like her or not (and I'm not a fan of hers), but she is well on her way to iconic status and will be remembered.


Justin Timberlake (maybe)


Christina Aguilera-For her voice of course


Britney Spears


Alicia Keys


Usher (maybe)


-That's all I can think of.

DesireeNevermind said:

See, I am looking at it this way: "do you think ANY of these artist are really known all over the world by everyone like some of the legends like the Beatles, Elvis or MJ?" I can tell you that my grandparents know NONE of these artists, but they sure do know MJ and Madonna, for example, and not because I am an MJ fan. None of these artist have such a general impact where EVERYONE from babies to elderly people all over the world know them and I think that is what is needed in order to be remembered years afterwards. If you have gained only teenagers audience, you will loose them as they grow up because if your art was worth more, you´d get the adults right with the teenagers.
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midiscover said:

We're talking legacy, and Beyonce's achievements - solo and with Destiny's Child - are part of her legacy, including her chart achievements.

NoVideo said:

No, they're not. It's a part of DC's legacy.
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midiscover said:

Whatever. Haters can try and minimize Beyonce's accomplishments, as happens around here all the time. But the reality is that she has already established herself as one of the all-time great pop artists in pop history, period. Her legacy is secure, and she is still in the prime of her career. I would imagine that it is highly unlikely that she will end up with "only" 9 number ones.

How about Janet, BTW - she has 10. When can we expect #11?

NoVideo said:

KI! "Haters" should be in the Beyonce stan dictionary. No one's minimizing her accomplishments, darling. I just feel the need to correct some of these heathens when they inflate them. I recall a fan of her insisting she sold more than 100 records. Move around! Talk about fabricating her sales and etc.

and another pity example of people on here bringing Janet up when trying to get their point across. Who would think Janet got 6 of her #1's before her 27th birthday. As a solo act. 11 R&B #1's. All before she blew the candles off her 27th birthday cake.

Now get mad

beyonce is a talentless whore and needs to be put down.

midiscover said:

LOL But Janet's such a great comparison, how could I not bring her up?

Let's face facts: Beyonce was the focal point of Destiny's Child. It's ridiculous to suggest that somehow her massive success as part of DC doesn't reflect in her overall tally of hits.

Sure, Janet/Jam & Lewis was billed as a solo act, and I would never say anything to diminish her(their) accomplishments.

After all, she's had quite the string of massive pop hits in the last 8 years.

Let's see:

Son of a Gun - #28
Call on Me - #25
Feedback - #19

We'll see what happens with Beyonce's next album, and the album after that, and the album after that. History tells us that most great pop artists flame out commercially eventually. Maybe Beyonce will. The question will be - how many #1 hits and smash albums will she add to her tally by then?

Even if she never dented the charts again, her accomplishments have already secured her legacy in pop music history.
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NoVideo said:

WTF! Are you talking about? Janet is at least 20 years her senior! You're clearly trying to make this into a Janet vs. Beyonce thread. But I'll save you from the embarrassment.

And if she's the focal point of DC why isn't her sales up to the group's?

midiscover said:

Now come on, let's not be foolish. Comparing album sales from 1999 to 2009 is just a wee bit disingenuous. Without Beyonce, Destiny's Child would never have had a glimmer of the success they enjoyed. All one needs to look at is the comparative solo careers of the other DC girls. Can't hold a candle to what Beyonce has accomplished.

As for Janet, you're exactly right - Janet is 20 years her senior. And yet, Beyonce's career stats are already starting to approach Janet's, someone who you insist is long overdue for the Hall of Fame. It's an illustration of exactly how much Beyonce has accomplished in a career that is still very young.

NoVideo said:

Are you serious?

Janet has sold about 130-140 million records worldwide and Beyonce has yet to sell 50 records as a solo artist. Beyonce's careers stats are no where near Janet's. Let alone near Britney Spear's!

Again, I'll save you from the embarrassment of not posting all of Janet's accomplishments

lazycrockett said:

I still can't figure out what Justin Timberlake does that makes him deserving of the attention he gets.

lazycrockett said:

I concur. I don't even think her much-lauded voice is all that special.

Justin Timberlake won't have a legacy at all.

Beyonce is the nearest thing to an Icon atm yeah..people like GaGa won't last (as they are now), they pay homage to older styles as their thing.

midiscover said:

sigh. I know you're aware of the realities of the music industry.

Beyonce, solo and as the primary voice and face of Destiny's Child, has sold in excess of 100 million albums during a time in which album sales are decreasing exponentially on a yearly basis. 100 million, over an 11 year period.

Janet's 130 to 140 million encompasses 25 years, and an era during which album sales were generally much higher than they are now.

What's more, Beyonce is at the peak of her career. She can expect to continue selling millions of records for years to come. Hell, Sasha Fierce is STILL in the Top 40 on the Billboard Album charts, over a year since it's release. Janet? Not so much, unless she can dramatically turn around her rapid descent into pop irrelevancy.

The point is not to belittle Janet's prior accomplishments. If Janet is the towering titan of pop music that you and others make her out to be, that's fine. But the question of this thread is "who will have a legacy" and Beyonce - who's impressive accomplishments are beginning to approach Janet's and will likely overtake them eventually - has already cemented her legacy in pop history, period.

Let's ask this question again in 10 years and see where things stand.

NoVideo said:

The majority of Janet's sales came from just 4 albums and when I say accomplishments I don't only mean sales. I mean she broke records and also was has many "firsts".

Beyonce didn't sell no 100 million albums even adding DC's #s it doesn't equate to 100 million. That is just wishful thinking.

IASF sold 6 million worldwide, darling.

No need to TRY to belittle Janet just to boost an overrated gal up.

Alright

midiscover said:

Finally some logic to this madness.
Bey will never be in the same class or league as Janet.
It's called Reality.

Lady Gaga's the only one I can think of with a legacy carved in stone.

scriptgirl said:

You really think so?
From what I can concur from past history is that those who WRITE and PLAY there own music and acturally SING live, in other words are the most truthful to their fans- Will have a standing legacy.

I can't say any of that rings true for Britney. She's a commercial artificial product of the industry. If it wasn't for sex appeal, her career would have been dead from the start

Britney & Beyonce is a done deal. Iconic whether you like them or not.

Justin and Alicia will also be memorable but not to the same extent.

In the UK & Europe I'd say Take That are contenders... they've successfully evolved from a 90s boy band into a mature mainstream pop act. Their audience comprises of kids, grandmas & everyone inbetween. They are still selling out gigs at sports stadiums & topping the charts.

Kanye West and Brittany Spears?

Isn't it more about who has the most classic songs. Songs people will remember 20 years from now? I mean, "Like a virgin" or "Billy Jean" are really songs everybody remembers, the same goes for songs from the Beatles, Elvis or James Brown....but i don't see that with this generation. Ask somebody to sing a song of Justin or Kayne...i couldn't do it LOL