Well, he can keep all that mess because I don't want to hear it either. You don't seem to get it, I don't want to hear any of it anymore. It has dominated for almost 20 years. That's longer than anything else has dominated. It's time for a change. That's all I want, a complete style change and something entirely different to take over like styles used to always change every decade.

vainandy said:

Well, now we're getting back to taste, eh? Nothing wrong about that now, but you can't deny that other people see it differently. If you don't care for lyrics in general, fair enough. Of course you don't have to. Feel free to listen to whatever you like. Most people indeed do care for lyrics, and many musical legends became legends mainly because of their lyrics. Saying that "rhyming over a beat" isn't music (that's what you said, stand to it), is something completely different: nonsense.

I would never have jumped this thread for anybody saying that rap isn't his or her thing. Absolutely nothing i would care about, I'll always fight for the right to have different opinions. Actually, i don't listen to much rap anymore either. But i absolutely HATE when people who don't have a damn clue about rap and hiphop try to dismiss a whole culture in the name of some MTV clowns talking about selling crack all day. And that was the point here. If you don't like rap, then don't listen to it. But if you don't know nothing about it and feel like you should talk bs because TV has dis-educated your reception, well, then it's your turn to get some more info before you start talking, or otherwise people will just laugh at ya... Simple as that.

If the rhyming is done over a cheap sounding drum machine and nothing else, then it isn't music. It's just a lifeless, soulless machine ticking like a grandfather clock with some talking on top of it. I could turn on my washing machine with no other instruments and speak some rhymes over it and it wouldn't be music either. Actually, the rhythm of that old washing machine has more life than these drum machines these days and sounds better too.

I'm well aware that there is plenty of it out there with positive lyrics. I never once complained in this thread about explicit lyrics. I have no problem with explicit lyrics, the nastier the better. But lyrics, whether positive or negative, mean nothing if they are top of something that sounds like "nothing". I'm more likely to listen to someone get their message across if they are just simply talking in a speech or playing an acting role in a television show or movie than in music because if the music behind them sounds horrible or sounds like "nothing", I'm just going to turn the channel and the positive message is going to be lost.

vainandy said:

Of course it is music.



Of course it would be music, too. You don't get it, eh?

Let's have a break here, OK? You're saying that "music" is whatever vainandy considers "music" MINUS all the stuff vainandy doesn't like. Did i get that right?
Wow, that's kind of an ignorant definition, if there ever was one... Impressive...

My, and that's being said by somebody who considers Donna Summers the queen of funk... LMFAO!

vainandy said:

You don't tell it like it is,you tell it like how you wish it would be again...I nor anyone here is trying to get you to like "shit hop" so the comparisons to those in P,M&M is reaching a little.But when people offer you ways to avoid it so you won't have to complain about it and you continue with your shtick?..IDK. I wonder if someone came on here and dissed Funk and labeled it "P-U Funk" or something like that..u would be on full attack...lol

Told u before on previous threads man, that's your shtick,you're opinion and it's cool beans.. but not expecting someone to come at you with a debate is naive...but by all means, get your "shit hop" shtick on,even on them threads that don't even call for it,so it can finally play itself out

Donna Summer (not Summers) is the queen of disco, not funk. Learn your stuff.

If someone came in a thread shitting on funk, it wouldn't bother me at all. I would just write them off as having no taste.

Rap and hip-hop was initially created for the sense of enjoyment and skill it took to be a deejay or an emcee or a rapper or a free-stylist. What is PROMOTED as "rap" and "hip-hop" has taken much of the fun out of it. Indie rap/hip-hop still has its purpose that the original rap/hip-hop created, it's just not as promoted (or even appreciated) and not everything's shitty in hip-hop despite what Andy says.

vainandy said:

Yeah, so you agree with the rest?

And Donna Summer was the queen of pop in the late 1970s, she just happened to make disco "pop" for a while.

Timmy84 said:

DON'T let him get into that, DON'T!

Shhh... he really thinks that "disco" is "funky"!
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Your post is absolutely correct and I never said everything was shitty in hip hop. I said everything is shitty in shit hop. There's a difference.

Nope. I don't like country, opera, symphony, or folk either but it is music.

So what IS your definition of music then?

Uh...if you don't have the good taste to like disco, then that's your problem.

No I think he has good taste. He didn't call disco bad did he?

vainandy said:

You have never been more right and with that thought in mind, I wish u well,I think I'm done here

Instruments. Not just a tick tocking tapping beat and nothing else.

Timmy84 said:

Music is very complex, I never think it was just one thing. Sure instruments were originally a major part of it but even with instruments (or turntables), music is enjoyment.

vainandy said:

So, do i get it right? Everything recorded with "instruments" is "music", while stuff recorded with a "tapping beat" isn't? Which implies that "tapping beats" aren't made by "instruments", right? What about electronic music? Your beloved House music? Enough instruments in there? How about Kraftwerk? Oh, i forgot, it was about the BPM, right? So what's the range for "music", in BPM? Please help a buddy out, I'd love to re-sort my collection according to your theories.

Oh shit Andy, he got you there.

Oh, and by the way... "Disco".... hm.... that was when funk music got raped by bad taste and cheap synthies, right?

I'm fine with it. Do those have the same "barely tapping" sound as shit hop? No, they don't. Are those drum machines the only thing behind the vocals in those songs? No, they aren't so the songs sound like actual songs rather than just a bunch of nothing. In many shit hop songs, the "barely tapping" drum machine is the only thing behind the lyrics.

I have no problem with synths. Some of Prince's best work was made with synths. I love them.

Not bad,considering it's not music,since it has no instruments

That was boring as hell, even back then. But the A Side of the 12 Inch "The Show" was pretty good.

vainandy said:

I wasn't talking about "synths". I was talking about "cheap synthies" as in "tapping beats". But nevermind.

Your weak arguments can't make up for the problem that you're mixing up your exotic opinions with facts, and the result of course is fatal.
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