vainandy said:

I fixed it for ya.

That was the problem with the majority of it the 123 beats a minute
camouflaged the weak ass clowns rapping over the track. There's a
reason why 75% of them never lasted beyond one album or a single.

Let's get a few dope jams in here:






Kool Moe,KRS One,and Chuck D should have done a
whole album project together back then. These cats
would have fucked some people up. Funke Wisdom is one
of my favortite rap tracks of all time.
Funke Wisdom was disabled on the first video.
Just click the play icon and then type Funke Wisdom in
the search bar and it will come up and play.
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Funkmaster3000 said:

Hehe Sure, but you didn't answer my question. Over or under 20?

More from Nicolay

that's what rap is all about :






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VenusBlingBling said:

21... soon...

FunkyDissCo said:

Alright, thank you for proving that the Sherlock Holmes in me was right.

VenusBlingBling said:

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phunkdaddy said:

But if you wanted to, you could flip it over and play the instrumental and the music could stand on it's own without the lyrics. If you didn't get anything else, you at least got a good mix out of it because their sampling was more like mixing since most of it was blending multiple snippets of songs. You can't say the same for shit hop though. Flip that over and play the instrumental and all you are going to get is a slow weak sounding beat that sounds like a grandfather clock ticking.




I'm glad you mentioned that because in the early years, very few rap acts had an album. Their music was mainly on a 12 Inch single. 12 inch singles came out during the disco era and what were the majority of 12 inch singles? Dance music. When you heard the DJ back then say he was getting ready to play a new rap song, you knew it was going to be a fast jam, lots of times it was faster than funk.

Unforunately if one lives in a small media market their radio station maybe a fight for airtime for rap and R&B..and payola rules..If you live in a major city,You have hip hop stations and R&B/classic soul stations..In that case if one doesn't Like "shit hop",they never have to listen to it..that's your problem that you live in slow ass Mississipi...

If tempo was REALLY you're only problem,you would like house,grime,D&B..but you've stated other times that you don't.So your tempo excuse is as old as your "shit hop" schtick.

Dude you like funk,and that's it..nothing more or less..we've been through this with you and that's respected.Your opinion about rap brings nothing to table.Stick with what u know

alexothetimes said:

You cannot tell others to stay out of threads

I love house, that's practically all I listened to in the 1990s. I love disco too, rock, some blues, lots of good old slow jams, and yes, even lots of rap (but only good rap that's actually music, not "talking over a slow beat" shit hop). As far as Mississippi is concerned, if I just stepped off a spaceship from Neptune, I could hear that shit hop sounds like a bunch of abolute "nothing", and as far as region goes, it was me that hipped a lot of the org to funk like Ebonee Webb that lots of folks had either totally forgotten about or had never heard of in their area. Apparently you think that all of Mississippi is living like "In The Heat Of The Night" when in reality, Jackson has had a huge black population, if not mostly black and we always got jams that every major city got as well as our own local jams. Apparently you're the one that's living in the unrelealistic world and I've had cable and cable radio in the past so if you think that shit hop is a regional thing, you are very misinformed. It's a nationwide epidemic.

It was the South that was a large part of putting R&B on the map anyway and from what I've seen musicwise from the larger cities these days, it's the same old shit, just more of it.
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You basically validated everything I just said..dude you're like "Funk King" (or queen) on here..we know that..so stick to what you know.
Your town has nothing that plays underground hiphop,therefore you do not get what major cities get..you live in a small market..deal with it

Your definition of good rap is back in the "hip-hop to the hippity hop" days or "go girl,it's your birthday!!" stuff from back in the days..that dismissed your credibility in that last thread we had this discussion on.
Nationwide epidemic?..I have concerns for the lyrics and direction of most of todays rap(degredation of women) but I dont' listen to it..plenty of other hip hop out there to enjoy,I suggest you try them..

I'm from Smyrna,Ga(Cobb County) and my favorite group is Outkast so I would never cross the South,the problem is that out here in the "unrealistic" world,we have alternatives,choices,not force fed bullshit..I can get an order of The roots,with a side of Mos Def and wash it down with some M.I.A..It sounds like in your town,you're stuck with "Mc Mushmouth" or whatever and u just mad cuz u can't shake your ass in the club..that's your fault then..move

you said u was diggin all of that music in the 90's..it's 2010!!!..lol.dude,get back on your mothership and go back to Neptune and enjoy the oldies..I got snow to shovel

RnBAmbassador said:

Finally!!..Many in the industry,myself included, blames Master P with this "dark age" of rap.You always had corny rappers talking about nothing..but he was the first to use his drug money for distribution and hustle his ass off to make millions with no help from a major label.Copycats followed..Majors saw all of this money they had no part in and they wanted in (Def Jam South is born)..Songs from the uneducated will sound "uneducated" but not if it's targeted to the uneducated.We missed a chance to expose these songs as not productive..we have to wait for this generation to mature and grow out of it..

rap is not the downfall of black music..maybe the A&R's who sign these corny acts are..but not the genre itself.A part don't equate to a whole..too many positive acts out there to squash that notion..

To vent out your anger?

RnBAmbassador said:

Most of it?

Did you mean to say most of what you hear?

I doubt you've heard most it.

RnBAmbassador said:

The last sentence is sad but true. It's been happening for
years now.

The fact that my credibility would be dismissed for claiming that good rap contains actual music just goes to show that the shit hop world not only has no taste, but also has no interest in making music whatsoever, just strictly a bunch of talking over a beat bullshit. I could give less than a damn about lyrics or lyrical flow or some thugged out "poetry". Radio is for music, not poems. If someone wants to recite a "poem" over some actual music, that's fine. If not, they need to get their ass in one of the smokey nighclubs and recite it till their heart's content, but not on the radio because they are keeping music out. And in the early years of rap, the majority of them were party records. Partying and having fun which is what music is for, not a bunch of silly boring talking. As for me listening to rap in the 1990s, I listened to very little of it. The entire 1990s, I listened to mainly house music, so get your facts straight. The 1990s is when most hip hop stripped down, slowed down, and changed to shit hop and it hasn't changed since. All that remained was a slow beat (a cheap sounding one at that) and some talking. The shit today should be on talk radio rather than music radio.

And as for the underground in Mississippi, there are plenty of clubs that play nothing from the radio and it all sounds just as shitty as the stuff that's on the radio. I could care less about a shit hop underground because I don't want anything to do with shit hop period. And as far as moving, you put me up in a nice place, support me, and pay all my bills for the rest of my life and I'll start packing today. If you think someone can just simply move whenever they please, then you ain't shoveling snow with a shovel, you're shoveling with a silver spoon so get your butler to do it for you.
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And that's the real problem right there. They could make all the bullshit they want and I would have no problem with it. But when it gets to the point that you have to "look for good music", then there's a problem. We didn't used to have look for it and we shouldn't have to today either.

vainandy said:

You guys don't notice how wrong and pathetic the things you say are, do you?
My, with this quote, you disqualified yourself so much to even talk about this topic. If it wasn't so sad, and if you wouldn't insist so hard on your totally childish shithop blah, your ignorance and lack of knowledge would be extremely funny. Unfortunately it's not.
Like with our so called Funkmaster, you're mixing things up, you have absolutely no clue about the history of music, obviously, and you're simply showing you're complete illiteratenes with regard to the topic. Please, everybody, could you please accept that the "opinion" above is NO opinion but a false statement? It's wrong, not subjective, face it. The division between "music" and "poems" you're drawing is a stupid misunderstanding, nothing else. As is what the Funkmaster says about rock riffs in rap songs, or about rnb artists having nothing to do in the RnR HoF. You guys are seriously bounded, not only in your opinions, but more important in your conceptions and understandings of music. It's not about taste here, it's about knowledge. And this is what you lack, full stop.






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I disagree and agree. I don't think rap is the downfall of black music; its just one aspect of it. I do agree that those controlling the cash flow have forced R&B to "be more like rap" and that has tainted R&B.
What other genre of music can you not name a band in? Its been over 15 years and all we have are The Roots, Mint Condition and....damn. Only two? What a shame. Can someone tell me what's wrong with this picture?

vainandy said:

We've discussed this before. That's just how it is now. YOu have to go find it.
Corporations figured out that its cheaper to change the tastes of the record-buying public than it is to cater to them. I discussed this at least 7 years ago right here on this site and its happened. I saw it coming.
You have to find it. MySpace.com is always a good starting point.
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vainandy said:

Alot of things I didn't have to used to do, but that's gone the way of landlines,typewriters and cassettes..with modern technology, you can go online and find exactly what you're looking for without being exposed to things that your don't.This "shithop" and "R&BS"(i gave u a new term to run in the ground,I'll bill u later) you always complain about,you can easily avoid.But I'm beginning to think you like to complain about it..maybe it gives you a sense of worth or something.

The same energy it takes for you to find them old funk songs on you tube that you post,is the same energy it takes to avoid the exact things you complain about..that's the way it is in these modern times...deal with it

Uh...I don't listen to music to be "educated", "enlightened", "have my mind challenged", or any of that other stuff. I listen to it to have fun and to escape the problems of everyday life for a little while. When I want to be "educated", I turn on the TV and watch a documentary or read a magazine article or book on a particular subject. I don't need an education through music because I listen to it for fun. There's enough seriousness in the world and there has to be some fun. I'm not about sitting around holding hands and singing "Kumbabya", I could care less about music like that. It's very simple, either something sounds good or it doesn't. The hell with the lyrical content.

vainandy said:

I'm going to get my butler to give you some Outkast,Mos Def,The Roots,Lupe Fiasco,M.I.A,Lil Brother,Heiroglyphics and many other rap acts to show u that there's more to rap than the rap that you are exposed to


Then I'll get my butler to show u how to google for funk websites so you can stay there as long as you like and you'll never hear "shit hop" and "R&BS" again

Oh, I'm aware of these corporations ruining things. That's why I'm all for downloading and encourage it. That's the only thing that's going to kill this bullshit that has dominated for almost 20 years, through their pocketbooks.

I check the internet from time to time and there's two or three blogs that I download lots of stuff from. I usually end up downloading something old though because I have "found" very little new stuff that sounds worth a damn. But it's rediculous to have to go that route. What a lot of people don't realize is, it takes a high speed internet service to "look for good music" which is unaffordable to a lot of people. The only reason I have it is because apparently someone in my area must have a router that isn't password protected and I can bleed off it with this laptop. In about a month or two when I move, if the circumstances aren't the same, I'll either have cheap dial-up (which is soooo slow) or no internet at all except for access at work. That's what gets on my nerves about having to "look for good music" because you have to pay for a monthly service in order to find it and not everyone has that money. And even when I'm fortunate enough to have it, I never forget about those that don't.

I didn't start this thread, I simply replied to it. If a question is asked, am I supposed to lie and change my opinion because it may not be something positive on the subject? That's not me, I'm not a fake person by no means. I simply tell it like it is and if someone doesn't like it, that's their problem. You're starting to sound like the fams over in the Prince section that can't stand to hear anything about Prince unless it's ass kissing praise.