Funkmaster3000 said:

I think you're listening to the wrong kind of rap

Paris9748430 said:

Really singers need to know how to hit the appropriate notes and how to stay in tune and key. Rappers just rap. Britney is fake were talking Freddie Mercury right now lol.

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Funkmaster3000 said:

Autotune was designed for singers..More singers use autotune than you know

You don't have to be smart to write songs either"listen to Da,Da,da"..

So your saying rap is performed by the dumb and untalented?...hmm,I listen to "It takes a Nation" by PE and beg to differ

Funkmaster3000 said:

You have good and bad rappers..based on delivery and content.It's not as simple as you think.Your ignorance to this genre is glaring.You've used Led Zeppkin and Freddie Mercury(Queen) in your rebuttals,which more or less dates you and explains your replies.

SavonOsco said:

SavonOsco said:

im saying that the quality of the music could never reach that of queen or led zeppelin. I've heard the genre enough to dismiss it. to me rap is musics special kid. He isn't smart enough to take a regular music class so they give him an alternative music class where they only use 4 letter words because they can't understand anything else. Rap= Retards Attempting Poetry.

Funkmaster3000 said:

Can you give examples of what rap you're talking about?


I've given mine to show that there is talent in the genre and it's performers

http://www.youtube.com/wa...RAlhFzDFEQ
3:15 to the end is just beyound crap. This is so boring. the girls aren't even that good looking. your stereotypical rap song.

Funkmaster3000 said:

Yep, you just proved my point and others.

There's more to rap than that bullshit. Check out the videos I've posted.

Funkmaster3000 said:

That song is over 10 years old.

It's like you're not even trying.

bboy87 said:

Its bettter but its not my cup of tea. I mean i didn't like the second one. i just don't think rap is going in a good direction and i don't think that because you decide to write a slow song it makes you smart. I mean no rapper will ever hmm so difficult to explain. Eddie van halen , jimmy page those guys were able to find ways to make there instruments talk lol. listen to since i've been loving you the guitar solo speaks. Same thing in purple rain. You don't get people who can do that in rap. These people can't pick up instruments and make them cry. or maybe they can but they don't. Rap makes america look dumb. "yo wheres my money, ill rob you bitch, get down on your knees". You can tell me all you want that rap isn't that but alot of it is. i mean when motley crue sings girls, girls, girls it sounds better than your ordinary rap song that takes place in a strip club because rap just sounds bad. the truth is rap records don't incline people to pick up an instrument, they don't give people incentives to go to the store and buy the record because alot of rappers just talk about robbing people but the truth is they are robbing themselves. However i do like if you consider RATM rap because thats funky and energetic.
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Funkmaster3000 said:

you're going in the direction about instruments. Rap is about lyrics, wordplay, emotion.

and that ""yo wheres my money, ill rob you bitch, get down on your knees" is only in mainstream rap. I can give you a list of rappers who are in the opposite direction

bboy87 said:

The problem with rap though is it's solely focused on lyricism and delivery of the lyrics. I'd have no problem with this if A) they could deliver the music in a way that embellishes the music and B) provided people who don't listen to music solely for songwriting with some incentive to indulge further into it. But on both points rap fails and has failed since it's inception. That's the inherent problem I see with rap for me. I enjoyed it when I was a kid and didn't know any better about music but I'm not 11 years old anymore, I don't want to hear the same sample looped over and over because it's boring. You could make the argument that other pop music does the same thing but contemporary pop has been heavily influenced by rap music and furthermore even when pop pre-rap had limited musical elements the time constraints coupled with suitable and creative arrangements, vocal styles and melodies made them bareable. This isn't the case with rap at all. Most rap producers aren't creative enough to make a sample undetectable in the music ala dj dangermouse. Most rap producers are as lazy as the "musicians" they're constructing the music for. And since the music is usually sub par, and the rapper has no other tool besides delivery or lyricism to strengthen a lackluster song, than that must mean the lyrics better be damn near FLAWLESS in order to excite me. By flawless I mean they better engage me with some poetical devices that leave me thinking or there delivery better be incredibly unique.

This isn't the case usually even with above average rappers like Talib kweli or Common or what have you so that leaves the music altogether uninteresting.
That's not to say that I don't enjoy some rap. Lupe I love and I'll always have a place in my heart for the Wu, but not for most rap.

Funkmaster3000 said:

You sound very ignorant of the genre. I don't believe you actually know as much as you think you do. Do you know Brother Ali? Guru? Pharoahe Monch? Cannibus? Tech N9ne? Talib Kweli? I bet you don't.
So far, you aren't supporting your statements with facts but rather rhetoric and cliché metaphors.
So, I challenge you: Tell me how THIS is not smart:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...Z6-FYAngvc
and here are the lyrics: Pharoahe Monch - Gun Draws
Speaking of clichés, I do believe one is "sex, drugs and rock n' roll" not sex, drugs and hip-hop.



And Sandino, you're right about most rap not inspiring people to pick up instruments. Neither does techno. Like rap, most techno is made on computers using sequenced beats, samples and synths. Still, its a form of music as well and serves to drive fans of the genre. For those that love a four-on-the-floor kick drum beat - techno is where its at. Within the genre is innovation, just not in the way of picking up instruments but rather piecing together musical soundscapes. Such is also the case with rap, which focuses on lyricism. When I want to hear some bad ass musicianship, will I go put on Weather Report or Ramsey Lewis or will I pick up a hip-hop CD? Take a guess? That's not what the genre is focused around.
I find it funny how everyone likes to blame the music for existing rather than those who have spent billions promoting it worldwide. That concept in and of itself seems somewhat bigoted. Nobody would care about hip-hop if it stayed in the "hood". The solution is simple: if you don't like something, don't listen to it. I know I don't sit around listening to the classic bluegrass stations. I also know I'm not qualified to judge the entire genre based on my limited knowledge of it.

"Sex,drugs & rock n roll"...If you want to dissect the lyrical content of rock and see how hippocritical you sound..that would be great.You're at the point of trying to insult our intelligence now with some of your latest comments.I see some social undertones also which I won't discuss or this thread will be in P&R.. You're starting to bore me

Sandino said:

SavonOsco said:

Lol i never said that the main problem was the image. i said it was the music. I love alot of music that has to do with sex, drugs, and rock and roll. lol. But the music itself is good. In rap the music about sex and drugs is usually bad. you guys are starting to put words in my mouth lol. i have no problem with music about sex and drugs, as long as the music itself such as the instruments is awsome. Whole lotta love, that song is all bout sex drugs and rock and roll. Jimmy page made the guitar solo sound like a frekin orgasm. How many people have the skills to that. and the people that do have the skills to do that aren't rappers. Also the drums are beast. In rap it's the same drums over and over. the lyrics are just so repetitatvie in rap but thats a minor problem.
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BlaqueKnight said:

Sure you can find one smart rapper or good rap song im not disputing that. But its majority of rappers suck. you guys are trying to get me to look at like 5% of rappers that are somewhat skilled and not at the other 95% that you guys hate.

Rap is an art form.

A turntable is an instrument.
A synthesizer is an instrument.
A sampler is an instrument.
The human voice is an instrument.

It takes a clever brain to come up with a good rap.
And it takes a quick and an even smarter brain to freestyle well.
Rapping is so much older than HipHop, you wouldn't believe it.

Most rappers put most other musicians in the pocket when it comes to lyrical output, period. NO, and i mean NO mainstream act (neither pop, rock, nor rnb) can touch the deepness and intellectual superiority of those lyrics that the likes of Public Enemy, BDP, and many many others have pressed to record.

Rap is "Ghetto CNN", at least it always was in parts and probably will be. If you don't like what you hear in some raps, try to change the world. Try to change the fact that ghettos exist. Don't blame the messenger.

And please stop talking about "rap" or "hiphop" in general while coming up with 50cent and LilWayne as examples. Mate, I'm a rap fan since 86 and i never listened to one single song of those guys in its entirety.

If you don't know much about hiphop culture, it's not a shame. It's all there, just go out and try to learn. Try to broaden your mind.

It's not about taste at all in this thread here, it's all about knowledge.

You seem to lack the necessary knowledge which is needed to judge what you're judging. Talking about something you obviously don't know nothing about and flaming things you obviously don't understand isn't "expressing one's taste". It's silly. Stop that, please.

FunkyDissCo said:

Please. A turntable is not an instrument. You guys call me stupid for citing lil wayne, but he is the most popular rapper him and jay z, eminem, 50 cent, kanye west. They are the faces of rap. and they make the genre look like a 90 year old woman. Sure idk every hip hop/rap artist to ever live. I understand if you guys don't care about musical talent. If you did you might say oh this rappers got talent but not as much as john paul jones or joe satriani. Those guys have more talent in music then any rapper to ever probably note i said probably to ever live. I care about musicianship. I believe that a song can be simple but i believe that the artist must have the ability if he wants to, to make it more complicated.i also believe rap isn't explosive or sexy, i mean when i listen to james brown i can feel the sexiness all around and when i listen to guns n' roses i hear bombs going off.
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RAPPERS USUALLY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE
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Aw, come on, mate, a turntable is not an instrument?? You're talking about all your knowledge continually, but it actually seems like you missed some 20 or 30 years of evolution in music. That's just weird, sorry.

And please try to explain why "popularity" has got anything to do with the quality of a style in general? Does ABBA being corny mean that there's no good disco funk? Do some weak Bobby Brown albums mean that there wasn't some good soul since What's Going On? Come on, mate, try harder, i'm sure you can do it...

And you say that DJ Premier isn't a musical genius? The Roots aren't a tight band? "Fight The Power" or "By The Time I Get To Arizona" aren't explosive? Rakim isn't sexy as is James Brown, in his own way?

Really? I mean, REALLY??

You seriously need to go to funk school, mate, if you really believe what you're saying. Sorry, but you just lost your street credibility as a Funkmaster.






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And on a sidenote, could you please explain what an "instrument" is for you, technically?

Hint: Posting a pic of a violin doesn't count.

Kurtis Blow, first rapper to be signed by a major label 1980, he helped legitimize Hip Hop

KMD 1987

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Kool Moe Dee one of the first rappers to earn a Grammy Award and was the first rapper to perform at the Grammys. imo he was the best of all as far as his precise articulation.

FunkyDissCo said:

i mean instrument such as a violin and saxophone or guitar. traditional instruments. Rap isn't usually my type of funk. james brown,sly, prince, early rhcp, and some other various blends are my type of funk. Straight up. i like my funk straight up most of the time.

FunkyDissCo said:

Never said anything about any primier guy. besides the 2000s and the 1990s were the worst years for music in the past 50 years because of rap and that a fact. there was no classic period in those years. The golden age for music in my opinon 1964-1980 sure the 80s were good in some ways but not as good as the classic rock period. i don't see rap ever getting to the quality to which there will be called a genre classic rap.