Nice try. She always seems to gets her hustle on in any way she can.

Well, of course, she would not help raise the show's credibility in terms of judging participants' musical talent. But then again, besides Randy Jackson, the show has never had right judges. Also, hasn't it planned to bring Ellen? Anyway... it caters more to picking entertainers rather than artists.

they could pick another jackson....imagine two randy jacksons

i do not know why.....im 17.....but i always have a crush on paula....idk why.....

alexothetimes said:

Apparently the other Randy was wanted but they called the wrong one

I think Latoya would make a great judge. She'd be a good replacement for wacky Paula.

psychodelicide said:

Ruben did WIN over clay.....

Graycap23 said:

How soon we forget!

daPrettyman said:

It's a bit of a repeat offender, isn't it? Kris Allen won last year, but all we hear about is Adam Lambert.

Ruben Studdard won, but we've heard about Clay being gay (a huge DUH moment), fathering a child, and being a total diva bitchy queen backstage. Hell, he should have hired Kathy Griffin to be his P.R. machine, because she gave him a LOT more attention than he deserved. Ruben got dropped from his label (as most idol artists eventually do), and is puttering along in the business.

Can anyone name, off the cuff, who won the same year Jennifer Hudson was in the competition and got eliminated way too early? (Hint: She's got some z-rate reality show on some y-rate station.)

Can anyone name, off the cuff, who won the same year Chris Daughtry was in the competition and got eliminated way too early? (Hint: He's doing Broadway now after being dropped from his label.) And remember, Daughtry had the biggest selling album of 2007. Why? Not because he was on Idol, but because it was a fucking great rock record!

Remember Sanjaya? Who won that season?

The year David Cook won, we ended up hearing more about David Archuleta, and his wacky father.

Carrie Underwood and Kelly Clarkson are really the true winners in that they won, and they went on to have incredible success.

ernestsewell said:

A.I. is ONLY good 4 a few funny moments. I would not consider any of those folks true artist. That is just me though.

ernestsewell said:

I feel where u r coming from. Most of those people from the South that won were winners because the people down south voted like crazy.

I never understood Fantasia's appeal, but I guess there were a lot of 20-something single mothers out there that are "baby mamas" (like her song). I was so upset when Latoya and Jennifer didn't make it further.

AI is such a marketing machine. If the person is right, they can take their "celebrity" from the show and go on to do other things. Kimberly Locke was one of the best non-winners of the show. That girl got with a good marketing team and management team and learned how to sustain a career in the public eye without trying to be a star. I remember when she was promoting her first album, she was not about a hit, but about making a career. Now she's doing reality shows, hosting a game show on GSN and releasing music.

Jim Verrarros is another good example. He took his "celebrity" worked it to release 2 albums and star in a few c-list movies. He may not be a BIG celebrity, but he's working.

Graycap23 said:

You know, I'm not a country fan, but Carrie Underwood was widely welcomed into the country fold, and she's had a slew of hits. And I'll admit, it's not that manufactured, canned sound we're used to hearing from Idol artists. Her music fits right in with the modern pop/country genre. She has an incredible voice to back it all up, too. Where so many Idols have failed by this point, Carrie is stronger than ever. Kelly, although she annoys me sometimes, has the voice and the career to back up her popularity too. She's long since distanced herself from her Idol past, and became more than "A.I. winner.....".

Why not consider them true artists? Did the Jackson 5 not enter multiple talent contests and win? Did Prince not record the same song 3 or 4 different times, "auditioning" for a record contract? No one would argue that either of those people are true artists, so how does Kelly or Carrie differ? Is it because they won't play an instrument? I've never seen Whitney sit down at a piano. She's a true artist, no? MJ, while great at coming up with melodies and rhythms, never really sat and played piano or tried to play guitar. He was a true artist, no? Even Madonna eventually picked up guitar and learned a few chords.


Oh, and she's from my home state. HOME GIRL SUPPORT!

ernestsewell said:

Chekota OK in the house!

ernestsewell said:

No disrespect.....but country music does not move me in any way, shape or form.

ernestsewell said:

U mentioning A.I. artist in the same breath with Prince, the J5, or Whitney Houston is laughable. No further comment required.

Graycap23 said:

My point stands that J5, Carrie, and Kelly Clarkson all competed in talent shows. All won. All have big success after. Admit it or not, they're more similar than you might wish to acknowledge. I'm not defending Kelly, or Carrie, but let's keep things on the real.

ernestsewell said:

Not so fast.

We'll have this convo again in 10 years and we'll see if they enjoyed 1/2 of the longevity power as the aforementioned.

I don't even have to guess though....

ernestsewell said:

Real? Comparing the hustle it took 4 the J5 in the 1960's racist America 2 the media, TV and marketing driven 2000's? U must be kidding.

Graycap23 said:

Don't make it racist. You get my point. You don't have to like an Idol contestant; I'm not trying to make you love them. I'm making fair comparisons.

Hell, even Jennifer Hudson, Fantastia and others faced that an alleged racism moment when all the super talented black girls were being eliminated one by one from Idol one year. Many folks called it racist (including Mr. Drama himself, Elton John). It didn't effect how any of them ended up in the business. There is still racism in the business. Yes it was stronger back then, but who says that either you or I know ALL of the hustling Carrie or Kelly did before they made it to Idol and that whole process?

ernestsewell said:

Lol.....racist when u bring up facts? Was the US music business not racist when the Jacksons came out?

There are people in the US right now that are famous simply for being on TV. "Does Pants on the Ground' ring a bell? This is NO comparision. Just because u are tring 2 make it one does NOT make it legit. The Jackson 5 EARNED their place in history. Let me repeat EARNED.

I'm so glad I gave up on this show years ago. I hated watching Paula make a fool of herself every week and I would not be able to watch LaToya do the same.

Empress said:

What about watching Ellen do the same thing?

daPrettyman said:

Ellen ain't drugged up either.

ernestsewell said:

She ain't drugged up, but she will dance when someone is good. Probably more than Paula did.

daPrettyman said:

True, but she seems more watcher-friendly than Paula. A lot of media has debated whether Ellen is getting a raw deal or not, because Simon is leaving after this season, the theory being that people would want both Simon and Ellen given the chance. Frankly I think the show should have ended 2 years ago.

Graycap23 said:

gray, when he got to the part where he attempted to compare mj's talent to madonna simply b/c she picked up a guitar (and she should go somewhere and sit her ass down with it), i knew dear ernest was off his meds.

for what it's worth, i have heard more than one musician and witness talk about how mj did in fact know play the piano. in one recent article since his passing, a composer mj was working with on a music score talked about how mj's piano playing was 'pretty good'. teddy riley has told the story about how mj said that when he got older, and presumably couldn't dance the way he was known for, he would consider playing the piano in concert. but you make the argument that because he preferred to dance and sing, that made him less talented than one of the least talented of his contemporaries b/c that silly cow picked up a guitar? the best thing she does with that guitar is pose with it.

whatever. most logical people would never use that stupid yardstick as being THE measure of anyone's talent or true 'artistry', or lack thereof, anyway. frank sinatra, ella fitzgerald, sammy davis, the fucking list goes on and on.
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kibbles said:

Wow, you're the first to ever use that one-liner on someone! Congrats!

And you might be off yours, because I never compared MJ's talent to Madonna.


Unfair statement. Those people are 1) dead, and 2) have been in the business a LONG ass time. Kelly and Carrie have not been in it that long in comparison. In another 30 years, we'll see how either are doing, if they're doing anything at all, then we can compare fairly.

The rest of your post was so far fetched, misquoted, and .....well it was like watching Fox News! hahahahaha Quite funny actually.

vainandy said:

I've never watched the show, but would if she was on there. Would be interesting to watch her tell someone they couldn't sing, etc. Wonder if she could do it with a straight face?

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kibbles said:

you stated that mj was not a true artist, and used madonna as a comparison to him, b/c she picked up a guitar and learned a few chords.

whether someone is alive or dead is not the point. alive or dead, you've stated that a person's talent is wrapped up in whether or not they play an instrument. by your standard, it doesn't matter whether kelly or carrie are around in 30 years or not, or whether their careers last that long. they don't play instruments, so in your book they aren't 'true artists'.

no, i'm not the first to use the 'off the meds' one-liner, and i'll bet it's not the first time you've heard it applied to you. congrats!