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Thread started 01/14/10 6:07pm

thesexofit

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Isley Brothers VS Michael Bolton....

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Isley's "Love is a wonderful thing"



In the blue (eyed soul) corner (sorry couldn't resist):



Bolton's "Love is a wonderful thing"



http://findarticles.com/p..._62590962/

Judge Upholds $5.4 Million Ruling Against Michael Bolton For Using Isley Brothers' Song
Jet, May 29, 2000
12Next ..A federal judge in Los Angeles recently upheld a $5.4 million judgement against singer Michael Bolton for using portions of the Isley Brothers' hit Love is a Wonderful Thing in his song of the same name.

Ronald Isley sued the hit-making White artist, accusing him of violating the song's copyright by incorporating elements of the tune and words into his 1991 smash hit song.

A three-judge panel of the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said a jury had sufficient evidence to reach its decision in 1994.

As a result, the panel awarded Ronald and Marvin Isley 66 percent of all past and future royalties from the single and 28 percent of past and future royalties from Bolton's album Time, Love and Tenderness.

"It's a wonderful, wonderful victory for the jury system," said John McNichols, who serves as the attorney for the Isleys.

Bolton couldn't be reached for comment on the case following the ruling.





http://www.rollingstone.c...ove_appeal

Bolton Loses "Love" Appeal
Supreme court upholds $5.4 million judgment against Michael Bolton and Sony
Posted Jan 23, 2001 12:00 AM

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Email Stumble AIM Del.icio.us DiggThis Fark It! Yahoo! BuzzThe U.S. Supreme Court refused to overturn a $5.4 million jury verdict that found Michael Bolton, a co-writer and their label guilty of lifting parts of a song by the Isley Brothers for his hit "Love Is a Wonderful Thing." The damages are reported to be the largest music infringement judgment concerning a single song.
Despite support for Bolton from the Recording Industry Association of America, the nation's highest court did not offer any comment in rejecting his appeal, which was co-filed with songwriter Andrew Goldman and Sony Music.

The original verdict, handed down by a jury from a Los Angeles federal court, found that Bolton's 1991 hit violated the copyright of an obscure Isley Brothers song of the same name that the group recorded in 1966.

In his defense, Bolton contended that he never had heard the song by the Isley Brothers and insisted he was not guilty of the infringement. The jury rejected Boston's request for a new trial, and a federal appeals court later upheld the ruling. At one point, Bolton went so far as to attempt to buy the Isley Brothers' catalog last year, so he could eradicate the debt.

Of the damages that the jury awarded the Isley Brothers, Sony Music was ordered to pay just over $4 million. Bolton was hit with more than $900,000 in damages, Goldman, more than $220,000 and their respective publishing companies $75,900.

JAAN UHELSZKI
(January 24, 2001)


I got alot of respect for the Isleys, even own a few of their (later) albums, but I sorta side with easy target Bolton here. Basically, The Isley's sued him for plagiarizing their song "love is a wonderful thing", which they said Bolton used for his song of the same name.

Isley's won, and despite a counter sue by Bolton, he still had to pay up LOL.
Not only that, but future profits from the "Time love and tenderness" album aswell (obviously as the song was never taken off the album). I guess Bolton had the last laugh here, as by the mid 90's when the case was settled, that album wasn't gonna sell anymore copies anyway LOL.

I like the Isley's lawyers comment though, "Its a wonderful victory.."LOL.
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Reply #1 posted 01/14/10 6:11pm

banks

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This is gonna be good.

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Reply #2 posted 01/14/10 6:15pm

thesexofit

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banks said:

This is gonna be good.

popcorn


What do you reckon then? Iam a big Bolton fan but am no zealot though so whilst the hook itself of "love is a wonderful thing" is similar to the Isley's cut, I think Bolton and his co-writing partner got robbed here.
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thesexofit said:

banks said:

This is gonna be good.

popcorn


What do you reckon then? Iam a big Bolton fan but am no zealot though so whilst the hook itself of "love is a wonderful thing" is similar to the Isley's cut, I think Bolton and his co-writing partner got robbed here.



Don't worry they'll be here soon enough wink
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Reply #4 posted 01/14/10 6:26pm

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banks said:

thesexofit said:



What do you reckon then? Iam a big Bolton fan but am no zealot though so whilst the hook itself of "love is a wonderful thing" is similar to the Isley's cut, I think Bolton and his co-writing partner got robbed here.



Don't worry they'll be here soon enough wink


I said, Iam no Zealot of Bolton, and would love to one day explore the Isley's pre 80's back catalogue more, so Iam not against them musically at all, but I just want to know your opinion LOL. I don't even like Bolton's song. I never hear it, but I still feel he got robbed.
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Reply #5 posted 01/14/10 6:32pm

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Somebody is tryin' to start some *&^!. stirthepot

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Reply #6 posted 01/14/10 6:40pm

Timmy84

Lemme just say this, Michael Bolton tried so hard to be "down with the brothers" after his failed attempt to be a metal singer. I guess he figured since he had women screaming over his pseudo-R&B material that he could actually take music that the Isleys did conceive. No matter what portion of it, what I do think is Bolton GOT what he deserved trying to get the Isleys' catalog after they beat him in court for stealing parts of their song. In my opinion, I don't think Michael and his co-writer got disrespected. Compared to the other so-called "blue-eyed soul" men like Hall & Oates, Michael McDonald, George Michael and the like, he was the only one who fake the funk.

Just my opinion. wink
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TD3 said:

Somebody is tryin' to start some *&^!. stirthepot

evillol


I gotta feeling this is gonna be one of those threads that will go down in Org history lol
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Reply #8 posted 01/14/10 6:41pm

Timmy84

And yes Michael didn't fully credit the Isleys for the chorus if anything. You can't add an extra "a wonderful" to it and call it original lol That's like the Vanilla Ice/Queen/David Bowie controversy. wink
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Timmy84 said:

Lemme just say this, Michael Bolton tried so hard to be "down with the brothers" after his failed attempt to be a metal singer. I guess he figured since he had women screaming over his pseudo-R&B material that he could actually take music that the Isleys did conceive. No matter what portion of it, what I do think is Bolton GOT what he deserved trying to get the Isleys' catalog after they beat him in court for stealing parts of their song. In my opinion, I don't think Michael and his co-writer got disrespected. Compared to the other so-called "blue-eyed soul" men like Hall & Oates, Michael McDonald, George Michael and the like, he was the only one who fake the funk.

Just my opinion. wink


I agree that he failed in the hard rock/aor world, and like how Kenny G changed from rnb to pop/MOR, so did Bolton, but despite this, bottom line is, I really think its a stretch to say he plagerized the Isley's song, no matter how much you think he deserved it. I admit trying to buy the Isley's catalog as retaliation was ludicrous, but I guess he really took this case to heart. I know alot of people hated him then and hate him now, and pretty much all his covers do suck, but I still side with Bolton.
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Reply #10 posted 01/14/10 6:55pm

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Did something new happen? This case is at least 10 years old.
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Timmy84 said:

And yes Michael didn't fully credit the Isleys for the chorus if anything. You can't add an extra "a wonderful" to it and call it original lol That's like the Vanilla Ice/Queen/David Bowie controversy. wink


But its not the same. The way he phrases "love is a wonderful thing" and the way they phrase it are different. I admit they are similar, but its not the same, or near enough the same for a sue I feel.
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Vendetta1 said:

Did something new happen? This case is at least 10 years old.


And LOL. I dont have any new music stories lol Besides, I never heard the Isleys "love is a wonderful thing" until very recently.
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thesexofit said:

Vendetta1 said:

Did something new happen? This case is at least 10 years old.


And LOL. I dont have any new music stories lol Besides, I never heard the Isleys "love is a wonderful thing" until very recently.
I'm sorry. boxed
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Vendetta1 said:

thesexofit said:



And LOL. I dont have any new music stories lol Besides, I never heard the Isleys "love is a wonderful thing" until very recently.
I'm sorry. boxed


Thats OK, I know the org has a "Vendetta" against ole' Bolton LOL.(Sorry I couldn't resist-again)
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Timmy84 said:

Lemme just say this, Michael Bolton tried so hard to be "down with the brothers" after his failed attempt to be a metal singer. I guess he figured since he had women screaming over his pseudo-R&B material that he could actually take music that the Isleys did conceive. No matter what portion of it, what I do think is Bolton GOT what he deserved trying to get the Isleys' catalog after they beat him in court for stealing parts of their song. In my opinion, I don't think Michael and his co-writer got disrespected. Compared to the other so-called "blue-eyed soul" men like Hall & Oates, Michael McDonald, George Michael and the like, he was the only one who fake the funk.

Just my opinion. wink








'Boys and Girls can you say the word, P-O-S-E-R? That's right, repeat after me... poser".






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Reply #16 posted 01/14/10 7:31pm

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Fuck a George Michael, damn white man always breathing up the black man's air.



BLACK POWER!!!
Did Prince ever deny he had sex with his sister? I believe not. So there U have it..
http://prince.org/msg/8/327790?&pg=2
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Reply #17 posted 01/14/10 7:46pm

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Sandino said:

Fuck a George Michael, damn white man always breathing up the black man's air.



BLACK POWER!!!

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And what kinda fuckery is this thread espousing??? whofarted
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Reply #18 posted 01/14/10 7:57pm

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This feels apropos for some reason lol

I'm here to tell ya, the chickens is comin' home to roost ya'll . . .


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Reply #19 posted 01/15/10 6:36am

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thesexofit said:

Vendetta1 said:

I'm sorry. boxed


Thats OK, I know the org has a "Vendetta" against ole' Bolton LOL.(Sorry I couldn't resist-again)



It's not about Michael Bolton, or any kind of "Vendetta". The problem here is that you created a forum for him to be brought into an Isley Brothers conversation. You are knowlingly stirring up some shit. Next time stir up some shit that has some irony, or humor and wit, or insight, finesse...

P.S. - the heavy metal Michael was smokin' hot. I don't remember any of the music, but he sure did work my visuals.
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Reply #20 posted 01/15/10 3:31pm

Harlepolis

Michael Bolton was the Justin Temberfake of his time.

Wanna be like black artists but too arrogant to acknowledge them.

I loved how he try to play it off like he have never heard of the Isleys whofarted Bitch, please bored2
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Reply #21 posted 01/15/10 3:33pm

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My vote goes to The Isleys. F*** Michael Bolton! lol
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Reply #22 posted 01/15/10 3:36pm

Harlepolis

TonyVanDam said:

My vote goes to The Isleys. F*** Michael Bolton! lol
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What in the name of black & blueberry fuck eek I didn't even realize this was a poll thread, OH HELL NO hammer
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Reply #23 posted 01/15/10 3:36pm

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TonyVanDam said:

My vote goes to The Isleys. F*** Michael Bolton! lol
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Easily. lol
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Reply #24 posted 01/15/10 3:39pm

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Harlepolis said:

TonyVanDam said:

My vote goes to The Isleys. F*** Michael Bolton! lol
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What in the name of black & blueberry fuck eek I didn't even realize this was a poll thread, OH HELL NO hammer

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Harlepolis said:

Michael Bolton was the Justin Temberfake of his time.

Wanna be like black artists but too arrogant to acknowledge them.

I loved how he try to play it off like he have never heard of the Isleys whofarted Bitch, please bored2
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The sins of Michael Bolton were far worse than the sins of Justin Timberlake.

Forget about stealing OR sampling a song without permission. The very fact that Michael Bolton lied about the whole incident by denying any songwriting credit to The Isley Brother is as evil as how most of the white elitist used to screw over many black artists in the 1950's R&R era.
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Harlepolis said:

TonyVanDam said:

My vote goes to The Isleys. F*** Michael Bolton! lol
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What in the name of black & blueberry fuck eek I didn't even realize this was a poll thread, OH HELL NO hammer


I've only notice the "VS" in the thread title. lol
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NMuzakNSoul said:

TonyVanDam said:

My vote goes to The Isleys. F*** Michael Bolton! lol
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Easily. lol


thumbs up!
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Reply #28 posted 01/15/10 3:45pm

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Harlepolis said:

Michael Bolton was the Justin Temberfake of his time.

Wanna be like black artists but too arrogant to acknowledge them.

I loved how he try to play it off like he have never heard of the Isleys whofarted Bitch, please bored2



eek I didn't know that. Bolton needed to be slapped.... he needs to be slapped still. What a prick.
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Reply #29 posted 01/15/10 3:55pm

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Honestly, the Bolton hate is so overplayed and tired. He has a penchant for singing old R&B classics. So what? I think he's got a great voice and he sings the shit well! I don't even see why he's still bothering people so nuch. This ain't 1995. He's been flopping for years and years now, so its not like he's on top or in your face. His albums don't even get released in America anymore! Anyway, I have his new album, and its really really good. Probably his best since "Time Love and Tenderness."



He's clearly just singing over a demo done by Gaga, but they sound great together and the song is really hot. cool
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