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Reply #90 posted 01/13/10 2:46pm

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MattyJam said:

theAudience said:

confuse "Unacceptable" to whom?

Personally, I respect musicians that don't throw out what might be sub-standard material and wait until they have something decent to offer.

If you can't find something else to listen to in the meantime, that sounds like your problem and not theirs.



That's a convenient excuse for lazy musicians. If you can't find the inspiration to release more than one album in a decade then you shouldn't be in a creative industry.



I'd agree generally, though if every ten years you create a masterpiece, I'd accept that.
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Reply #91 posted 01/13/10 5:50pm

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still waiting on a follow up from this guy!!! rolleyes mad



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Reply #92 posted 01/13/10 6:00pm

Cinnie

CHIC0 said:

still waiting on a follow up from this guy!!! rolleyes mad





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Reply #93 posted 01/13/10 6:41pm

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NEW CINISTER CEE 2010



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Reply #94 posted 01/14/10 6:21am

Cinnie

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Cinnie said:



NEW CINISTER CEE 2010



eek serious? excited drool


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Reply #95 posted 01/14/10 6:27am

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Reply #96 posted 01/14/10 4:22pm

rainman1985

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NDRU said:

I was just thinking of how Axl Rose is kind of like Michael Jackson in that particular sense. A perfectionist who could probably have worked faster, but nevertheless releases a good album when the time comes.


How did Chinese Democracy do commercially and sales?


It's outsold Metallica new Album this year and they were released a month apart at the end of last year. Best Buy payed alot of money for an exclusive deal only to not promote it at all. They still haven't released a video either. I don't think the album will do blockbuster numbers but I do think it's gonna be a slow-burner. Plus there is apparently a lot more material ready to go so as long they stay active and on the road I think we'll hear that music in the next few years.
GNR have been touring alot over the last few years.
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Reply #97 posted 01/16/10 2:56am

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Cinnie said:

CHIC0 said:




eek serious? excited drool


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Reply #98 posted 01/16/10 7:19am

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theAudience said:

confuse "Unacceptable" to whom?

If there were only a handful of musical artists on earth, this might be an issue.
Since there's a ton of music available (past & present), I don't see the problem.

Personally, I respect musicians that don't throw out what might be sub-standard material and wait until they have something decent to offer.

If you can't find something else to listen to in the meantime, that sounds like your problem and not theirs.



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Reply #99 posted 01/16/10 8:07am

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I don't mind an artist taking long between albums if it trues out brilliantly, however when you wait 5 years for an average album then I rather see 2 albums a year.

As for Michael Jackson he only started to take years between albums when he went solo, whilst he with the Jacksons he was making at least one album a year. Infact when he did OTW and Thriller he was still with his brothers and as well as his solo stuff he was releasing albums with brothers either side of his solo stuff. Quite frankly I think that period between 78 and 82 was his most creative, when he released Destiny, OTW, Triumph and Thriller within the space of 4 years
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Reply #100 posted 01/16/10 6:07pm

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SoulAlive said:

CHIC0 said:



nod exactly!
it's what keeps her ahead of everyone else. if others are lazy or not; i don't know. i think it's apparent that Madonna realy enjoys what she does. if she's got "something to say" or not, if she just wants to put out another great dance album, or experiment other styles; i think she wants to do it all and keeps on moving. and her fans benefit from it.

and respect to those who want to or need to take their time. some people wait a few years because they feel they need to get it just right. but there's no time limit on getting "it" right. many anticipated albums aren't necessarily the best in everyone's opinion.


I love Madonna's strategy: release an album every two years or so,and then do a tour.No one can ever call her "lazy".She seems to really enjoy what she does.


I love Madonna and in general I agree for relatively NEWER artists, this is the best strategy to establish a body of work, get as most hits in while they are 'hot', sell as many records during their 'time' - in madonna's case her 'time' is again and again - but, honestly, there is something to be said for anticipation. I'm surprised she's NEVER gone away from the pop scene for a LONG break. She could have taken a page out of MJ (and JJ's) hand book in the 90s. So could Mariah, now. Much as I love STR and Bedtime Stories, had Madonna not released ANY pop music between Erotica and ROL, Ray of Light would have been EVEN BIGGER!
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Reply #101 posted 01/16/10 6:09pm

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whatsgoingon said:

I don't mind an artist taking long between albums if it trues out brilliantly, however when you wait 5 years for an average album then I rather see 2 albums a year.

As for Michael Jackson he only started to take years between albums when he went solo, whilst he with the Jacksons he was making at least one album a year. Infact when he did OTW and Thriller he was still with his brothers and as well as his solo stuff he was releasing albums with brothers either side of his solo stuff. Quite frankly I think that period between 78 and 82 was his most creative, when he released Destiny, OTW, Triumph and Thriller within the space of 4 years


MJ was the MASTER at creating suspense and anticipation. He was the James Cameron of the Music industry. Anyone who goes away 4 or more years between records - many of my favorite Artists, in fact (TLC, Erykah, Annie Lennox, Geo Michael, Tina, Sade, Q Tip) is just copying him. Janet included.
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Reply #102 posted 01/16/10 6:10pm

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badujunkie said:

whatsgoingon said:

I don't mind an artist taking long between albums if it trues out brilliantly, however when you wait 5 years for an average album then I rather see 2 albums a year.

As for Michael Jackson he only started to take years between albums when he went solo, whilst he with the Jacksons he was making at least one album a year. Infact when he did OTW and Thriller he was still with his brothers and as well as his solo stuff he was releasing albums with brothers either side of his solo stuff. Quite frankly I think that period between 78 and 82 was his most creative, when he released Destiny, OTW, Triumph and Thriller within the space of 4 years


MJ was the MASTER at creating suspense and anticipation. He was the James Cameron of the Music industry. Anyone who goes away 4 or more years between records - many of my favorite Artists, in fact (TLC, Erykah, Annie Lennox, Geo Michael, Tina, Sade, Q Tip) is just copying him. Janet included.


And this is yet ANOTHER way Justin owes his success to Michael and his strategies. ssssiiiiigggghhhh
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Reply #103 posted 01/16/10 6:50pm

bellanoche

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Exactly. Look at Prince. He's released more turds than I care to remember. But at least nobody can call him lazy....

Well they do sad they talk about him like a yard dog. They say he is trying 2 hard 2 cater 2 the young and making 2 much uninspired music.... Go figure.. Damn if u do, damn if u don’t.

I tell u what, those like u that feel he’s releasing more turds need 2 appreciate the fact he’s releasing music more often than any artist and I will never agree with u r anyone else saying he’s releasing more turds. Give me a freakin break. Appreciate him dear. What u call a turd is another listeners pleasure

I totally agree with you. Some Prince "fans" are so extreme on both ends of the spectrum. However, I am grateful that he takes his art and his job seriously rather than resting on his fame or allowing bad habits to rob him of his gift. He hasn't released more "turds" than I care to remember. Some of his output is great, some of it is good and some of it I don't care for. However, at his most uninspired, he sounds a lot better than what's topping the charts today.

I will always respect artists like Prince, Tori and others who release a steady stream of music and give their listeners windowns into different sides of themselves and different stages of their lives much like artists like Marvin Gaye did in the past. I prefer that to taking years to put together the "perfect" album. I love Sade, George Michael and Maxwell, but nothing the've ever released is worth years and years of waiting. They have every right to take time off and do whatever they want in between, but I just prefer artists who work at their craft and release music more frequently.
perfection is a fallacy of the imagination...
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Reply #104 posted 01/16/10 6:56pm

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Excuse me, artists that are not in control of their own fate via owning their own masters and label and the way their music gets distribute do not determine when albums are released. The way the music business is, many of the acts some people in this thread are bemoaning about do not even have label deals, i.e The Time.
Records are not selling - so it is a no brainer why there is no rush to nothingness.
It has been 7 years since the last Aretha Franklin album, and D'Angelo was great example.
What is the rush? Artists that have enough of a fan base to perform live make far more money when the do a show, so putting out recordings is a zzzzz nowadays. Prince can put out releases because he has his own thing set up quite well, but his stuff is not scorching the earth with sales figures or impact like he did in his heyday. Even rap doesn't sell well anymore. After the first week, rap sales drop off, after the second week, it becomes a tumble down the mountain for hip-hop.
Step into reality - the music business as it once was, is no more and never will be again sad


I completely understand what you are saying about the business, but what about the art? Many artists of the past weren't making anywhere near what people makes today with their slow sales, but they had a love for the art of making music. I think that is why myself and others miss from some of these "artists."
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Reply #105 posted 01/16/10 7:24pm

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badujunkie said:

whatsgoingon said:

I don't mind an artist taking long between albums if it trues out brilliantly, however when you wait 5 years for an average album then I rather see 2 albums a year.

As for Michael Jackson he only started to take years between albums when he went solo, whilst he with the Jacksons he was making at least one album a year. Infact when he did OTW and Thriller he was still with his brothers and as well as his solo stuff he was releasing albums with brothers either side of his solo stuff. Quite frankly I think that period between 78 and 82 was his most creative, when he released Destiny, OTW, Triumph and Thriller within the space of 4 years


MJ was the MASTER at creating suspense and anticipation. He was the James Cameron of the Music industry. Anyone who goes away 4 or more years between records - many of my favorite Artists, in fact (TLC, Erykah, Annie Lennox, Geo Michael, Tina, Sade, Q Tip) is just copying him. Janet included.


Michael had his formula down to a science lol He wanted every album to have it's own era
He'd release an album, release a series of singles and do a long tour, then for a moment, disappear then do it again lol

Thriller- December 1982
7 singles from October 1982 to January 1984
tour in 1984
1985-1986: barely in spotlight

Bad- August 1987
9 singles from July 1987 to January 1989
tour from 1987 to 1989
1989-1990: barely in spotlight

Dangerous- November 1991
9 singles from November 1991 to December 1993
tour from 1992 to 1993

HIStory- June 1995
7 singles from May 1995 to July 1997
tour from 1996 to 1997
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Reply #106 posted 01/17/10 12:51am

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bboy87 said:

badujunkie said:



MJ was the MASTER at creating suspense and anticipation. He was the James Cameron of the Music industry. Anyone who goes away 4 or more years between records - many of my favorite Artists, in fact (TLC, Erykah, Annie Lennox, Geo Michael, Tina, Sade, Q Tip) is just copying him. Janet included.


Michael had his formula down to a science lol He wanted every album to have it's own era
He'd release an album, release a series of singles and do a long tour, then for a moment, disappear then do it again lol

Thriller- December 1982
7 singles from October 1982 to January 1984
tour in 1984
1985-1986: barely in spotlight

Bad- August 1987
9 singles from July 1987 to January 1989
tour from 1987 to 1989
1989-1990: barely in spotlight

Dangerous- November 1991
9 singles from November 1991 to December 1993
tour from 1992 to 1993

HIStory- June 1995
7 singles from May 1995 to July 1997
tour from 1996 to 1997


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Reply #107 posted 01/17/10 9:27am

Cinnie

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Michael had his formula down to a science lol

He'd release an album, release a series of singles and do a long tour, then for a moment, release an album under the name "Janet", then come back as Michael again

Thriller- December 1982
7 singles from October 1982 to January 1984
tour in 1984
1985-1986: releases Control

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Reply #108 posted 01/17/10 9:47am

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Cinnie said:

CHIC0 said:




eek serious? excited drool


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Reply #109 posted 01/17/10 12:12pm

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bboy87 said:

badujunkie said:



MJ was the MASTER at creating suspense and anticipation. He was the James Cameron of the Music industry. Anyone who goes away 4 or more years between records - many of my favorite Artists, in fact (TLC, Erykah, Annie Lennox, Geo Michael, Tina, Sade, Q Tip) is just copying him. Janet included.


Michael had his formula down to a science lol He wanted every album to have it's own era
He'd release an album, release a series of singles and do a long tour, then for a moment, disappear then do it again lol

Thriller- December 1982
7 singles from October 1982 to January 1984
tour in 1984
1985-1986: barely in spotlight

Bad- August 1987
9 singles from July 1987 to January 1989
tour from 1987 to 1989
1989-1990: barely in spotlight

Dangerous- November 1991
9 singles from November 1991 to December 1993
tour from 1992 to 1993

HIStory- June 1995
7 singles from May 1995 to July 1997
tour from 1996 to 1997


then again, if anyone were as GOOD as Michael, they could probably get away with this. Janet did for a long time. TLC did btwn CSC and Fanmail. Maxwell did it to a degree. Sade too. Erykah is just laziness and it's just her natural process. Then again, it backfired on Alanis. Time will tell with D'Angelo.
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Reply #110 posted 01/17/10 6:41pm

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Cinnie said:

bboy87 said:

Michael had his formula down to a science lol

He'd release an album, release a series of singles and do a long tour, then for a moment, release an album under the name "Janet", then come back as Michael again

Thriller- December 1982
7 singles from October 1982 to January 1984
tour in 1984
1985-1986: releases Control

eek

you ass, I had to look back at my post and re-read it thinking "I wrote that?!"

falloff I'm soooo bootlegging your album lol
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Reply #111 posted 01/17/10 8:06pm

Cinnie

bboy87 said:

Cinnie said:


eek

you ass, I had to look back at my post and re-read it thinking "I wrote that?!"

falloff I'm soooo bootlegging your album lol


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Reply #112 posted 01/18/10 10:14pm

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So it's okay for Michael to do it, but no one else? falloff

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Reply #113 posted 01/18/10 10:37pm

Cinnie

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Reply #114 posted 01/21/10 4:43am

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I don't see how Michael Jackson doing nothing but releasing single after single after single from the same album for several years is any better than an artist just leaving a large gap between albums.
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Reply #115 posted 01/21/10 6:24am

Cinnie

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I don't see how Michael Jackson doing nothing but releasing single after single after single from the same album for several years is any better than an artist just leaving a large gap between albums.


How about releasing special remixes off the same album originals, and maybe a new song, then repackaging the album smile
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