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Reply #90 posted 01/12/10 12:41pm

sleepyq

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He's nice for a good laugh, but many of the things he preaches are wrong. His comparisons are off.

Are we really gonna compare Streisand with Etta James? Please. Streisand is the best selling female artist in America by far. She's also a 2-time academy award winner. One of the biggest female legends in film and THE biggest female legend in the recording industry. The closest black counterpart would probably be Aretha- but we all know Aretha never conquered the film industry. And she sounds (and looks) a hot mess these days. Babs does not. Diana is also up there. Even Donna. Whitney. Janet. Etta who? Psh. I don't care for Bouncy, but Etta didn't even write the damn song. She doesn't own or deserve a damn thing. They could have had their little daughter sing the song for all I care.
Also, about sticking- no, no, no. He's got it all wrong. The white folks will dump black stars when they fuck up. But black people "stick" with their own all day long. People "forget" what radio was supporting MJ when white folks wanted nothing to do with him. Black radio is the sole reason that Invincible managed to go double platinum- compare those numbers to Whitney, Mariah, and Madonna's flops- they couldn't even shift 700k! Did anyone let Usher replace him? Michael was already outselling Usher and Justin in 2008 just with his catalogue sales. Did Ciara replace Janet? Her last album has sold about 180k- the same amount that Janet's biggest flop sold in its first week. Did Keyshia replace Mary? Mary's new album- with no hit and virtually no radio support- is still outselling Keyshia's. We don't "sometime." The replacements come and go- they don't "stick." Black folks sticking is the reason why Mary J is about to have her 10th platinum album 20 years into her career. I don't see country singers from 1991 doing that, do you?

Now do you feel the same way about someone else singing Bab's classical hits, even if she didn't write them? That was the point of Mooney's video. Having respect for legendary singers for their legendary hits not how many cds, records they've sold, oscars or academy awards received or who's the flavor of the year. That's why Etta was upset with Beyonce and the President for not singing at the inauguration. When it comes to honoring legendary singers, it appears to be a racial double standard. Even with your white folks dumping black stars statement confirms it. MJ happens to be respectfully an exception because his legendary status cross racial lines on the grandest scale, and he can rival Elvis Pressley. Career wise, oh yes they've tried to do him in with those allegations, but that's a different topic.

LOL, I wouldn't care if someone else sang Bab's song either. I don't care too much for Babs' voice personally. Too nasally. razz But I do love Tina- I'm not worried about anyone asking someone else to do her song, because her signature is so strong, it will be like karaoke. You have all sorts of ladies imitating Tina- but there's a reason Tina's concerts gross like TRIPLE what Bouncy can manage. Coincidence? lol

Plus- At Last, this song- I'm sorry, but I think it stopped being an Etta signature song a long long, time ago. Do you know how many people have covered this song? I know its on one of Celine's albums. Christina and Michael Bolton sang it. Cyndi Lauper has it on her covers album. Even Aretha sang it! Please tell me- do you know how many people are actually aware that Etta James is the orginal singer? Unfortunately for Etta- it has become a song without a face. An amazing legemdary song- but who sang it originally? Most people probably think whoever sang it is dead anyway. Sorry for Etta- her legend doesn't burn nearly as brightly as her song. Compare her to Aretha- Aretha's legend burns BRIGHTER than her signature songs. See the diffferentce? Etta is not in that class, point blank. It has nothing to do with who I like. Just like you thought I was a Streisand fan. lol
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Reply #91 posted 01/12/10 12:49pm

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angel345 said:


Plus- At Last, this song- I'm sorry, but I think it stopped being an Etta signature song a long long, time ago. Do you know how many people have covered this song? I know its on one of Celine's albums. Christina and Michael Bolton sang it. Cyndi Lauper has it on her covers album. Even Aretha sang it! Please tell me- do you know how many people are actually aware that Etta James is the orginal singer? Unfortunately for Etta- it has become a song without a face. An amazing legemdary song- but who sang it originally? Most people probably think whoever sang it is dead anyway. Sorry for Etta- her legend doesn't burn nearly as brightly as her song. Compare her to Aretha- Aretha's legend burns BRIGHTER than her signature songs. See the diffferentce? Etta is not in that class, point blank. It has nothing to do with who I like. Just like you thought I was a Streisand fan. lol


Oh but it is Etta's signature song. Refusing to acknowledge it from your end doesn't dismiss its significance shrug nor Etta's for that matter, if folks are not schooled about music, thats not the artist's fault, and esp not in this age of internet where nobody have any excuse. And by your comparing Etta to Aretha,,,its like comparing BB King to Marvin Gaye, apples & oranges.

You may dislike Etta or try to dismiss her, but her legacy stand on its own,,,even if you don't choose to acknowledge it.
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Reply #92 posted 01/12/10 12:55pm

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sleepyq said:

angel345 said:


Now do you feel the same way about someone else singing Bab's classical hits, even if she didn't write them? That was the point of Mooney's video. Having respect for legendary singers for their legendary hits not how many cds, records they've sold, oscars or academy awards received or who's the flavor of the year. That's why Etta was upset with Beyonce and the President for not singing at the inauguration. When it comes to honoring legendary singers, it appears to be a racial double standard. Even with your white folks dumping black stars statement confirms it. MJ happens to be respectfully an exception because his legendary status cross racial lines on the grandest scale, and he can rival Elvis Pressley. Career wise, oh yes they've tried to do him in with those allegations, but that's a different topic.

LOL, I wouldn't care if someone else sang Bab's song either. I don't care too much for Babs' voice personally. Too nasally. razz But I do love Tina- I'm not worried about anyone asking someone else to do her song, because her signature is so strong, it will be like karaoke. You have all sorts of ladies imitating Tina- but there's a reason Tina's concerts gross like TRIPLE what Bouncy can manage. Coincidence? lol

Plus- At Last, this song- I'm sorry, but I think it stopped being an Etta signature song a long long, time ago. Do you know how many people have covered this song? I know its on one of Celine's albums. Christina and Michael Bolton sang it. Cyndi Lauper has it on her covers album. Even Aretha sang it! Please tell me- do you know how many people are actually aware that Etta James is the orginal singer? Unfortunately for Etta- it has become a song without a face. An amazing legemdary song- but who sang it originally? Most people probably think whoever sang it is dead anyway. Sorry for Etta- her legend doesn't burn nearly as brightly as her song. Compare her to Aretha- Aretha's legend burns BRIGHTER than her signature songs. See the diffferentce? Etta is not in that class, point blank. It has nothing to do with who I like. Just like you thought I was a Streisand fan. lol

Yes, Etta's talent was underrated, and I remember my father playing her songs back in the day. I like "Stop The Wedding". However, when Beyonce played her in the movies, I believe that shows recognition right there. Etta popularized the song,and the movie was about her life, so why not let her sing it while she's still alive? BTW, at least we have one thing in common. We're not Barbara Streisand fans razz .
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Reply #94 posted 01/12/10 5:07pm

sleepyq

Harlepolis said:[quote]

sleepyq said:

angel345 said:


Plus- At Last, this song- I'm sorry, but I think it stopped being an Etta signature song a long long, time ago. Do you know how many people have covered this song? I know its on one of Celine's albums. Christina and Michael Bolton sang it. Cyndi Lauper has it on her covers album. Even Aretha sang it! Please tell me- do you know how many people are actually aware that Etta James is the orginal singer? Unfortunately for Etta- it has become a song without a face. An amazing legemdary song- but who sang it originally? Most people probably think whoever sang it is dead anyway. Sorry for Etta- her legend doesn't burn nearly as brightly as her song. Compare her to Aretha- Aretha's legend burns BRIGHTER than her signature songs. See the diffferentce? Etta is not in that class, point blank. It has nothing to do with who I like. Just like you thought I was a Streisand fan. lol


Oh but it is Etta's signature song. Refusing to acknowledge it from your end doesn't dismiss its significance shrug nor Etta's for that matter, if folks are not schooled about music, thats not the artist's fault, and esp not in this age of internet where nobody have any excuse. And by your comparing Etta to Aretha,,,its like comparing BB King to Marvin Gaye, apples & oranges.

You may dislike Etta or try to dismiss her, but her legacy stand on its own,,,even if you don't choose to acknowledge it.
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What are you on about? eek

Where did I say that I didn't like Etta? I'm telling you what's on PAPER. The charts and the media determine status. Not colour. It has nothing to do with talent. Whether its wrong or right is irrelivant. Etta is not up there. She's not. The song is up there. But she aint up there with it. I'm letting you know, that if Beyocne had tried to get up there and sing "I've Never Loved A Man," folks would not stand for that. They wouldn't. Because Aretha is "up there." Etta is not.

Who sang "I'll Stand By You?" Who sang "Unchained Melody?" I know many people who sang those songs. I have both those songs at least 3 times on my ipod. But who sang it first?
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Reply #95 posted 01/12/10 5:14pm

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angel345 said:

sleepyq said:


LOL, I wouldn't care if someone else sang Bab's song either. I don't care too much for Babs' voice personally. Too nasally. razz But I do love Tina- I'm not worried about anyone asking someone else to do her song, because her signature is so strong, it will be like karaoke. You have all sorts of ladies imitating Tina- but there's a reason Tina's concerts gross like TRIPLE what Bouncy can manage. Coincidence? lol

Plus- At Last, this song- I'm sorry, but I think it stopped being an Etta signature song a long long, time ago. Do you know how many people have covered this song? I know its on one of Celine's albums. Christina and Michael Bolton sang it. Cyndi Lauper has it on her covers album. Even Aretha sang it! Please tell me- do you know how many people are actually aware that Etta James is the orginal singer? Unfortunately for Etta- it has become a song without a face. An amazing legemdary song- but who sang it originally? Most people probably think whoever sang it is dead anyway. Sorry for Etta- her legend doesn't burn nearly as brightly as her song. Compare her to Aretha- Aretha's legend burns BRIGHTER than her signature songs. See the diffferentce? Etta is not in that class, point blank. It has nothing to do with who I like. Just like you thought I was a Streisand fan. lol

Yes, Etta's talent was underrated, and I remember my father playing her songs back in the day. I like "Stop The Wedding". However, when Beyonce played her in the movies, I believe that shows recognition right there. Etta popularized the song,and the movie was about her life, so why not let her sing it while she's still alive? BTW, at least we have one thing in common. We're not Barbara Streisand fans razz .

Well, Etta was actually just a smaller character in the movie, wasn't she? We all know Bouncy just jumped on that because she thought playing a drug addict singer sound get her an oscar nom (remeber Ms. Ross). Guess it didn't work out that way. Ah, well.

As for Etta- she's alright. I actually like her voice better than Aretha's and Barbara's. Aretha's is too croaky and Babs' is too nasally. Etta's is more soothing. She is a legend in the blues world, but that's a compartment. We're not dealing with conpartments we're dealing with mainstream. And I stand by my statement. Most people don't know Etta James sang At Last first. They know the song, but they don't know her. Yes, its ignorant, but unfortunately, most people are this way.
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Reply #96 posted 01/12/10 5:14pm

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Oprah is more of a house slave..lol

Jello Biafra compares her to Kim Jong Il.
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Reply #97 posted 01/12/10 10:56pm

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sleepyq said:

angel345 said:


Yes, Etta's talent was underrated, and I remember my father playing her songs back in the day. I like "Stop The Wedding". However, when Beyonce played her in the movies, I believe that shows recognition right there. Etta popularized the song,and the movie was about her life, so why not let her sing it while she's still alive? BTW, at least we have one thing in common. We're not Barbara Streisand fans razz .

Well, Etta was actually just a smaller character in the movie, wasn't she? We all know Bouncy just jumped on that because she thought playing a drug addict singer sound get her an oscar nom (remeber Ms. Ross). Guess it didn't work out that way. Ah, well.

As for Etta- she's alright. I actually like her voice better than Aretha's and Barbara's. Aretha's is too croaky and Babs' is too nasally. Etta's is more soothing. She is a legend in the blues world, but that's a compartment. We're not dealing with conpartments we're dealing with mainstream. And I stand by my statement. Most people don't know Etta James sang At Last first. They know the song, but they don't know her. Yes, its ignorant, but unfortunately, most people are this way.


Honstly I think there's some truth to what sleepy is saying. "At Last" is sorta like "who let the dog out" everyone knows the song but for the life of me I couldn't tell you who made the latter. Etta truly is on a lower tier to first tier legends like Aretha, Patti, Chaka, Gladys etc. No one would dare disrespect these divas, etta james, mary well, martha reeves etc. not so much.
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Reply #98 posted 01/13/10 6:29am

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sleepyq said:


Well, Etta was actually just a smaller character in the movie, wasn't she? We all know Bouncy just jumped on that because she thought playing a drug addict singer sound get her an oscar nom (remeber Ms. Ross). Guess it didn't work out that way. Ah, well.

As for Etta- she's alright. I actually like her voice better than Aretha's and Barbara's. Aretha's is too croaky and Babs' is too nasally. Etta's is more soothing. She is a legend in the blues world, but that's a compartment. We're not dealing with conpartments we're dealing with mainstream. And I stand by my statement. Most people don't know Etta James sang At Last first. They know the song, but they don't know her. Yes, its ignorant, but unfortunately, most people are this way.


Honstly I think there's some truth to what sleepy is saying. "At Last" is sorta like "who let the dog out" everyone knows the song but for the life of me I couldn't tell you who made the latter. Etta truly is on a lower tier to first tier legends like Aretha, Patti, Chaka, Gladys etc. No one would dare disrespect these divas, etta james, mary well, martha reeves etc. not so much.




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Reply #99 posted 01/13/10 10:43am

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i like Paul Mooney too but sometimes he's a bitter old queen.
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Reply #100 posted 01/13/10 12:08pm

angel345

sleepyq said:

angel345 said:


Yes, Etta's talent was underrated, and I remember my father playing her songs back in the day. I like "Stop The Wedding". However, when Beyonce played her in the movies, I believe that shows recognition right there. Etta popularized the song,and the movie was about her life, so why not let her sing it while she's still alive? BTW, at least we have one thing in common. We're not Barbara Streisand fans razz .

Well, Etta was actually just a smaller character in the movie, wasn't she? We all know Bouncy just jumped on that because she thought playing a drug addict singer sound get her an oscar nom (remeber Ms. Ross). Guess it didn't work out that way. Ah, well.

As for Etta- she's alright. I actually like her voice better than Aretha's and Barbara's. Aretha's is too croaky and Babs' is too nasally. Etta's is more soothing. She is a legend in the blues world, but that's a compartment. We're not dealing with conpartments we're dealing with mainstream. And I stand by my statement. Most people don't know Etta James sang At Last first. They know the song, but they don't know her. Yes, its ignorant, but unfortunately, most people are this way.

I'd say that most of the younger generation don't know who Etta James is, and besides I do see your point about mainstream attention. Yes, unfortunately that's what it comes down to. However, I do see what Mooney means about Beyonce giving Taylor Swift more honor at an awards show than giving Etta honor by allowing her to sing at the inauguration. It over with it and done shrug. I know one thing about Beyonce. She needs to stop singing MJ songs. I know she's paying tribute, but it's killing my ears, and not to many people have the voice for his songs disbelief
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Reply #101 posted 01/13/10 12:11pm

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sleepyq said:


Well, Etta was actually just a smaller character in the movie, wasn't she? We all know Bouncy just jumped on that because she thought playing a drug addict singer sound get her an oscar nom (remeber Ms. Ross). Guess it didn't work out that way. Ah, well.

As for Etta- she's alright. I actually like her voice better than Aretha's and Barbara's. Aretha's is too croaky and Babs' is too nasally. Etta's is more soothing. She is a legend in the blues world, but that's a compartment. We're not dealing with conpartments we're dealing with mainstream. And I stand by my statement. Most people don't know Etta James sang At Last first. They know the song, but they don't know her. Yes, its ignorant, but unfortunately, most people are this way.


Honstly I think there's some truth to what sleepy is saying. "At Last" is sorta like "who let the dog out" everyone knows the song but for the life of me I couldn't tell you who made the latter. Etta truly is on a lower tier to first tier legends like Aretha, Patti, Chaka, Gladys etc. No one would dare disrespect these divas, etta james, mary well, martha reeves etc. not so much.

Of course the younger generation would say "who let the dogs" out", especially in this day and age where the blues gets no attention.
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Reply #102 posted 01/13/10 2:16pm

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Sandino said:



Honstly I think there's some truth to what sleepy is saying. "At Last" is sorta like "who let the dog out" everyone knows the song but for the life of me I couldn't tell you who made the latter. Etta truly is on a lower tier to first tier legends like Aretha, Patti, Chaka, Gladys etc. No one would dare disrespect these divas, etta james, mary well, martha reeves etc. not so much.




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