Prince is the biggest flop ever.

TonyVanDam said:

There is a huge "they". I wasn't even talking about your comments. Did you see the numbers this chick did in sales? Don't tell me there's no "they"...unless you bought all of those copies?

I can see Blaque's point. Many of the "Idols", most of which never had any experience in other forms of entertainment (unlike the participants who actually were experienced in rock bands or theater works), definitely become machines to the system. As if they're bots or something. And truth is there IS a lot of Susan Boyle type of singers that don't get this much attention. I mean Simon Cowell IS promoting her and pimping her. He hardly promotes the U.S. "Idols", that's supposed to be Ryan Seacrest's or whoever's job (and I don't even think it's Seacrest's because all he do is pretend to be a decent host and he's a douche wackjob). On the other hand, if people think that Susan being this ordinary-looking middle-aged woman and singing like that, that that will somehow wake all the twentysomethings who build on style rather than substance. It could work or it could backfire.
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i dont think the term "anti-pop" works very well when describing media driven/force-fed gimmicks.

minneapolisFunq said:

Yeah I call Susan a pop singer lol

I dont even understand how Prince is an issue here? 500,000 for a record with no singles no videos no tour, and no hype or tragedy to surround it, Prince is selling what he has always sold, MJ fans just need to let fuck go already of the whole comparison shit. And furthermore alot of these numbers are inccorect and alot of artists and sales are left out, Bon Jovi's "the circle" worldwide has already moved 2.4 million and yet its not listed

lastdecember said:

There goes that site's credibility. But I have to agree Prince did well considering no one really promoted it.

lastdecember said:

Where did it move 2.4m? Its chart life in the UK & US was extremely short

lastdecember said:

Where did you get that part from?

MJ fans ain't the ones doin' the comparison shit, so I don't know where you got that part from...
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TonyVanDam said:

bboy87 said:

Why did I just notice that? lol No one's doing no comparison to MJ and Prince in here.

I TAKE IT PEOPLE KNOW THAT PRINCE'S SALES ARE ONLY IN US ?.....CANT EXPECT AN ALBUM TO SELL IF ITS NOT BEEN RELEASED WORLDWIDE....HELLO ....?....HIS SALES ARE FINE AND IN TOP 100 OF THE YEAR IN AMERICA....

Yeah, wasn't the US where the album was properly released? It sold more there than Planet Earth...

lastdecember said:

@ the MJ vs Prince drama. What are you on about?

Anyway, I didn't post Bon Jovi because I assumed nobody here cared. Howver, I know for a fact that they did not sell anything close to 2.4 million worldwide.

From 2 weeks ago on Billboard 200 (US sales):
36 22 04 Bon Jovi, The Circle 31,263 -42 54,363 298,567

mediatrafic estimation (worldwide sales):
Bon Jovi The Circle 1.086.000

They've sold only sold about 320k in the US to date, about 130k in Japan, and hardly made a dent in the UK... where did you get 2.4 million from?
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blackbob said:

It was available for digital download in Japan and several European countries. It went to #1 on the French Digital chart. So it sold over 400k in the US, and the other 100k was sold digitally overseas.

2freaky4church1 said:

Exactly....

LiveToTell86 said:

It was available for download overseas. And yes, it sold more than Planet Earth in the US. But not worldwide.

Last time on BB 200:

194 PRINCE PLANET EARTH 3,804 -13 222,028 (not elgible for any certification)
vs
183 RE 14 Prince/Bria Valente, Lotus Flow3r/MPLSoUND/Elix3r 7,222 999 621 396,930 (eligible for platinum)

Planet Earth- US=240k Total=750k
Lotus Flower- US=410k Total=525k

Because he didn't release Lotus physically overseas, it hurt his overseas sales a lot.
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midiscover said:

MPLS/Lotus/Elixer has sold over 400k in the U.S., which means it has shipped over 1.2 million CDs and is eligible for a platinum certification. Flop?

Double post, sorry.
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sleepyq said:

That's a number's game, and you know it. 1.2 million people didn't buy that album. Right about 500,000 did. BIG difference. Because of the way the RIAA is set up, people who don't really sell a million UNITS (ie a million folks bought the record) get platinum bragging rights.

The bigger question is, how many of those people are still listening to it?

ernestsewell said:

Me (LotusFlower not MPLS so much)

i doubt very much that digital sales of lotusflower have been included here....these are us figures only....not worldwide and in that case....the figures are fine.....he outsold a lot of mainstream acts...
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blackbob said:

Nope. The 525k is a worldwide figure. That's why the thread title says worldwide sales. I posted his US figures in this thread- they were at 396k on black friday week. There was a discount at target so his sales shot up. To date, he's at about 410k in the US. The rest of the sales come from digital sales overseas.

And what mainstream acts did he outsell...? Mary J's album jsut came out last week. Britney and Janet's CDs are greatest hits compilations. Anyway, Prince's situation is different from everyone else because he uses all these crazy ways to sell his music. His CD wasn't even released physically in most countries.

ernestsewell said:

Yeah. And so?

MJ fans can brag about 5 albums in a row being 7x platinum or more. But we all know HIStory was a double album that only sold 3.3 million copies. Shania Twain fans brag about 3 diamond albums- but "Up!" was a double CD that sold 5.5 million. Who cares how many people bought it? Platinum is platinum. Most people won't even bother to check how many CDs the album had.

As for the album... the most interesting thing about it to me is how manly Bira looks on her album cover.

BlaqueKnight said:

I stand corrected. You're taking about the other "they". Yes, I've seen the album sales. It's crazy.

sleepyq said:

Its peak in the UK was number 2 and has already been certified Gold there, though it fell quick, its because they arent appearing their till early this year when their shows kick in. they peaked at one in germany and japan and both cetified gold, the US total from the last 2 weeks added in close to 70,000, though its about to be certified gold in the states too, and other charts as Canada (#1 peak) amongst others, so its in that ballpark of 2.4 million based on soundscan "here" and certifications in all the countries its been issued in

Timmy84 said:

Regardless of who's fans (its both) theres been numerous dumb ass threads comparing two of the most UN-comparable people to each other

U.S Sales of Lotusflow3r are about 400K....this is as many said before good for Prince and this independent release...without any radio single or video on any of the big stations or even you tube.....

Digital sales from lotusflower.com are not included....!!

The rest are sales from france....the only other country where it was released officially....

Import sales are very hard to calculate...this list is not official, but a good estimation from official sources....

And i listen regulary to Lotusflow3r, by the way

Any other album from that list was released worlwide, so if it would have been released worlwide as a normal release with some promotion it would have sold much more....Every last Prince album from 2004 on for example was a top 5 hit in germany....

minneapolisFunq said:

Indeed.....she is a machine-made underdog...not an anti-hero....

midiscover said:

I blame the chem trails.....
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