thedance said:

Not MJ fans no, too hostile. Although that's not too present here...but it is present.

I know history should be correct and all but, i just don't care about it, it's just another stat at the end of the day...which is an MJ thing, not Prince. Just gimmie the music!
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I really wanna hear these three songs by Michael

Michael McKellar- Because he smiled so hard when they asked about that song in this 93 deposition. He said "How do you know about Michael McKellar?" with one of the biggest smiles. I wonder what that song is about

What A Lonely Way To Go- He hummed the melody of the track, but didnt provide lyrics

Town Boy (Tom Boy?) - He hummed the melody to this too, but didn't provide the lyrics.

What the 3D Glasses look like.

thedance said:

*sigh* Who said he was the first black artist ever? He was the first to be put in HEAVY ROTATION, which was unheard of back then. MTV weren't even going to put him on it until the head honcho lost his shit and said he'd go public about their blatant racism.

Nobody here thinks MJ was the first black person ever on MTV.

WaterInYourBath said:

If he was in danger, or his kids were, or even his fans safety was being threatened, how is him taking himself (and therefore the danger) out of the equation an evil thing? It's more heroic if you think about it.

Obviously, his children would be in on it, too. He's not gonna stay away from them or fake death to them, come on.

thedance said:

It was actually neither


Eddy Grant was the FIRST black artist on MTV with Electric Avenue



Michael was the first black artist to be put in regular rotation

WetDream said:

I don't believe that. If the facts are correct, nobody can take dispute it. It's the crazy MJ fans, actually any diehard fan of any artist who won't accept facts

purplesweat said:

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I don't like this psychology study crap because its the same stuff people have done with Mike for ages... studying his behavior and trying to decipher it instead of taking it as face value.
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http://www.mouseplanet.co...Captain_EO


The Untold Story of Captain EO

Wednesday, December 30, 2009
Wade Sampson, staff writer

With Michael Jackson’s tragic death in June 2009, there was a flood of special magazines and media tribute projects that detailed the life and achievements of the innovative singer/dancer. I eagerly flipped through all of those magazines and watched the specials in hopes that there would be a section devoted to the film Captain EO, a high-profile Disney project about which I really wanted to know more. Strangely, it wasn’t even mentioned in most of these tributes.

Even in Jackson’s own autobiography, Moon Walk, published just two years after the premiere of Captain EO, there are barely three paragraphs. One paragraph devoted to Jackson’s affection for Walt Disney, another describing briefly the plot of the film, and, finally, a mention that Jackson flew up to Skywalker Ranch to consult with George Lucas on the project. That’s all.

Jackson’s affection, some might even say obsession, with Disney was well-known. He often visited the Disney theme parks (sometimes in disguise), the entrance to Neverland Ranch was inspired by the entrance to Disneyland, and he had a large collection of Disney memorabilia (some of it exclusively created by Disney artists).

“Jackson was a huge fan of our parks, sometimes visiting several times a month, in and out of disguise,” said Michael Eisner. “He knows more about Walt Disney than anybody who ever existed. He certainly knows more than I do.”

Michael's older brother Jackie once stated: "[Michael] always studied Walt Disney. He loved Walt Disney. He read books on him every day on the road. He worshiped the guy."

With the announcement that Captain EO will return for a limited engagement at Disneyland this February (test screenings have already been done for Disney executives and the Jackson family, including Jackson’s three children who had never seen the film), this seems like a good time to write as much of the story of Captain EO that I know in the hopes that others will help fill in the gaps to this little documented footnote in Jackson’s amazing career.

A month after Eisner took over as CEO of the Disney Company in 1984, he arranged for filmmaker George Lucas to take a tour of Disney’s Imagineering facilities in Glendale and encouraged Lucas to create some new theme park attractions. Having a good relationship with Eisner when he was at Paramount and supported Raiders of the Lost Ark, Lucas was very open to coming on board, especially on developing a flight simulator ride based on his popular Star Wars franchise.

Soon afterward, Jeffrey Katzenberg, who had just come on board as chairman of the Disney Studios, took Michael Jackson around the Imagineering facility and first opened discussions with the pop star about appearing in a Disneyland attraction.

In 1984, Jackson had been considering developing several movie projects as he discovered he enjoyed the process of filmmaking. David Geffen had suggested that if Jackson was serious about starring in a movie that he should make a movie for Disney. Geffen called his long-time friend, Katzenberg with the idea. Katzenberg and Eisner countered with creating a 3-D movie/rock video for Disneyland to duplicate the unprecedented success of the innovative Thriller video that had been released about two years earlier and was still popular.

“We wanted to create something with Michael Jackson, who appealed to teenagers, but also to young kids, and even their parents,” Eisner said.

Jackson liked the idea, but to protect himself, insisted that either George Lucas or Steven Spielberg be a part of the project. Imagineering's Rick Rothschild drew up three different storylines. Both he and Jackson picked the same one to do: Captain EO.

The name EO comes from the Greek Goddess of the Dawn—EOS. Her rosy fingers open the gates of heaven to the chariot of the sun. Rothschild became the Show Director. In addition to many other credits, Rothschild would later head the teams for other Disney 3-D attractions including Honey, I Shrunk the Audience, It’s Tough To Be A Bug and Mickey's Philharmagic at Walt Disney World.

Spielberg was unavailable, working on the film The Color Purple. On the other hand, Lucas was already working closely with the Disney Company on Star Tours.

Lucas brought in Francis Ford Coppola, Rusty Lemorande, and Angelica Huston for the film. Coppola, a longtime friend of Lucas, needed to repair his reputation after the recent box office failure of the film The Cotton Club so he was brought on as the director.

Lemorande, who had produced and scripted a recently released science-fiction-themed film with comedy elements, Electric Dreams, was to script Captain EO with input from Coppola and Lucas. Lemorande had also recently produced Yentl, so he would be the on-site producer. He later did uncredited work as a second unit director and film editor. Lucas would be credited as the executive producer.

Huston, who would win the Oscar for her performance in Prizzi’s Honor, which was released in 1985, would play a spider-like H.R. Giger Alien-version of the Evil Queen from Disney’s classic Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, suspended in the air by web-like cables.

In later years, Lemorande shared that one of the factors that made Captain EO a troubled production was the resentment that Disney Imagineers had about “outsiders” being brought in to handle a Disney theme park attraction. In fact, the high hourly rates charged by Imagineering resulted in Katzenberg giving some of the work on the film to outside contractors.

Tony-award winner John Napier, who had just been recognized for his work on the musical Cats, was brought in and he built a miniature theater in scale to demonstrate the interactive effects for the show. That model greatly impressed Eisner and later, when Napier wanted to lift the ceiling of the theater to eliminate an interfering beam, Eisner quickly approved the additional expense.

Napier worked on the costumes that not only had to represent the evil nature of the dark planet and its twisted metal and steaming vents, but still had to have the flexibility of movement for the dancers to showcase Jackson’s style of movement.

“What I am doing with the costumes is trying to make people able to move in these things, where they won’t fall apart in these robotic characters," Napier said. "I put in a lot of detail that should work well in 3-D.”

Most of the project was supervised by Katzenberg but Eisner occasionally dropped by to see the work in progress and felt that this was “his” project that would demonstrate how he could revitalize Disneyland.

Jeff Hornaday had done the choreography for Flashdance (1983), and had recently worked with Paul McCartney and Jackson on the Say, Say, Say music video so he seemed a natural addition as choreographer.

“We wanted the dances to be a storytelling element, directly connected to a character,” said Hornaday, who was supervising 36 dancers. “Working with Michael for me has been a unique experience in that usually a choreographer will devise sequences of dance and then give it to the dancers to do. Michael’s talent and approach is so unique that you are limiting yourself by just giving him what you do.”

Rick Baker who had done the makeup for Jackson's Thriller video was brought in to supervise the makeup for Captain EO. Tom Burman (who had done work on the infamous Star Wars Holiday Special) did the makeup design for Huston’s character and it took three hours each day to apply that detailed makeup.

Lance Anderson, who among other credits was a creature designer on the recently released Ghostbusters is credited as the co-designer for EO’s ragtag crew of Hooter, the Geex, and Major and Minor Domo. Baker was credited as being responsible for Fuzzball.

James Horner, who had recently scored Disney's Something Wicked This Way Comes (and decades later would score Titanic) provided the original score for the film. Jackson himself wrote the two songs featured in the film: "We Are Here to Change the World" and "Another Part of Me."

“Another Part of Me," later appeared on Jackson's hugely successful Bad album (1987) but "We Are Here to Change the World" was not officially released until 2004 as part of Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection.

Pre-production on the project began March 1985. There was three weeks of principal photography. The same big blue screen from Disney’s sci-fi film Black Hole was used for filming the scene where Michael Jackson danced out over the audience’s heads.

It was not surprising that this production, with all this high-profile talent, quickly ran over the budget. While Disney never confirmed the actual cost, it was reported that the 17-minute film ended up costing somewhere between $17 million and $30 million, or roughly more than a $1 million a minute, making it at the time the most expensive film ever made. The original budget was $11 million.

“Captain EO ran over budget. The biggest factor was special effects, some 150 of them, more per minute than Lucas had used in Star Wars,” Eisner said.

The film tells the story of Captain EO, the leader of a spaceship's “ragtag crew," which included a dwarfish, clumsy green elephant-like creature called Hooter; a small, long-tailed orange flying creature called Fuzzball; two conjoined creatures know as the Geex (Idy and Ody—also sometimes spelled Idee and Odee) who served as the navigator and pilot; and a robot security officer named Major Domo who had a smaller robot, Minor Domo, attached as a module to his back.

Commander Bog (a holographic head performed by the talented comedian Dick Shawn who was never on the set) was displeased by the bungling of this group of misfits and has given them one final mission to redeem themselves.

They are to follow a “homing beacon” to a forbidding, dark industrial planet of sinister twisted metal and to give a gift to the Supreme Leader (Angelica Huston). Crashing on the planet, the crew finds its way to the palace of this witch queen creature and are captured by her army and threatened with torture for their unauthorized visit.

Captain EO agrees to that punishment, but also tells the queen that she is beautiful, but without a key to unlock that beauty. His crew transforms into a musical band, but before he can share his magical song, Hooter accidentally stumbles into the equipment rendering it momentarily useless, angering the queen who orders her guards to capture Captain EO and his crew. A short battle ensues before Hooter repairs the equipment. EO’s song transforms the dark, mechanical inhabitants into agile and colorful backup dancers.

EO is able to defeat the queen’s Whip Warriors and change not only the queen into a beautiful woman, but also her palace into a peaceful, vibrant Greek temple. The planet is transformed into a verdant paradise reminiscent of the work of artist Maxfield Parrish. EO and his crew dance off back to the ship and leave the planet as the grateful inhabitants wave them good-bye.

The finished footage, supposedly hidden for a time from Eisner, was not as impressive as hoped. Jackson lacked a commanding presence as the lead character, Huston’s role had been trimmed severely and the attempts at humor and urgency felt flat and forced. Even the staging of the 3-D effects seemed to pale in comparison to Kodak's “Magic Journeys that had previously run in the theater.

By this point, Coppola was already involved in his next film, Peggy Sue Got Married that would open a month after Captain EO, and Lucas was struggling with Howard the Duck, which would open one month before Captain EO—and work on the “Star Tours” attraction was falling behind schedule.

Reportedly, Lemorande and Jackson did some reshooting and recutting for the film (at one point using a spray painted ball cock from a toilet as a stand-in for the head of the Minor Domo puppet that couldn’t be found). While there had been plans for Disney’s Imagineering to work on the special effects (the talented Harrison Ellenshaw is listed in the credits), Lucas gave the film to Industrial Light and Magic to “fix” and delays on giving the film to Disney was credited to Lucas’s notorious “perfectionism.”

However, it could have been the worse film ever made and it would have made no difference, because it was done at the height of “Jackson Mania” and the opportunity to see Jackson singing and dancing to two new songs he had composed guaranteed its success.

Captain EO opened at Epcot on September 12, 1986, but the big premiere was scheduled for its Disneyland opening on September 18, 1986. The film would later open in Tokyo Disneyland in 1987 and Disneyland Paris in 1992.

Although built for Captain EO, Disneyland's Magic Eye Theater, that seated about 700 guests, opened in May 1986 with the amazing Magic Journeys, the original 3-D movie from Epcot's Imagination pavilion, in preparation for the Captain EO debut. Live theater special effects were added for the Captain EO presentation including lasers, fiber-optic stars, and fog effects that were all painstakingly synchronized with the action on screen.

Frank Wells renegotiated Kodak's contract so that Kodak agreed to pick up some of the costs of producing the film, building a theater at Disneyland and renovating Epcot’s 3-D Theater to accommodate the new special effects.

The week of the grand opening, the “National Enquirer” printed an odd photo of Jackson lying inside a hyperbaric chamber. It was theorized that, in order to live to be 150 years old, he slept in it each night to get that influx of oxygen. In reality, several biographies of Jackson pointed out that Jackson himself leaked the picture purposely at that time to draw attention to the premiere of Captain EO, especially with its “sci-fi” aspect.

There were more than 200 members from the international press who attended the Disneyland premiere and were herded into the Tomorrowland Space Place eatery, where they were given a press kit containing nine separate releases, six photos and a commemorative Captain EO T-shirt. Surrounded by free coffee, soft drinks and croissants, the press could watch a trailer about the making of the film on an endless loop.

Also in the Space Place were opportunities for interviews with people connected to the production like choreographer Jeffrey Hornaday and Tom Smith.

Smith, the former general manager of Lucas’s Industrial Light and Magic effects shop recalled, “The special effects shots were done one camera, two passes.” Smith also revealed that the last effects shot for Captain EOwas that of the logo that juts out into the audience

The big parade of celebrities started around 2 p.m. A variety of celebrities attended the grand opening of the film at Disneyland, including Catherine Bach, Elizabeth Montgomery, Alan Thicke, Erik Estrada, John Ritter, Lisa Hartman, Whoopi Goldberg, Charles Bronson, Sissy Spacek, Sarah Purcell, Dr. Joyce Brothers, Debra Winger, Elliot Gould, Dolph Lundgren, Apollonia Kotero and even Jack Nicholson, who rode with his then-girlfriend Angelica Huston down Main Street in an antique car waving to cheering fans.

However, Annette Funicello seemed to get the loudest and most enthusiastic response from the audience. Molly Ringwald was one of the few stars who refused to ride down Main Street as part of the parade.

Jack Wagner, well known as the “Voice of Disneyland,” announced the celebrities as they drove by. The parade from the front of the park to the Hub did not end until 3:30 p.m. and officially, there were 125 celebrities who participated. Even Michael’s sister LaToya and his mother Catherine were chauffeured down the street.

By 5 p.m., the rising heat had made things uncomfortable and the children brought by their celebrity parents were beginning to show how tired they were, but it was still not time to see the film. Jack Wagner introduced the Pine Bluff High School and Washington High School Marching Bands and Gregg Burge, from A Chorus Line who was perhaps chosen because he was a young male African-American with a singing and dancing background to perhaps represent the absent Michael Jackson.

Burge burst into an original Disney song about “Let’s make way for tomorrow!” followed by a float featuring costumed character versions of Hooter, the Geex and Major Domo.

At the end, CEO Michael Eisner smiled and addressed the crowd, “Michael Jackson is here.” The crowd got very excited but Eisner continued, “But he is disguised, either as an old lady, an usher, or an Animatronic character.”

Nobody in the audience, especially the journalists, believed Eisner.

After a speech by Kodak’s vice chairman, Coppola, Lucas and Angelica Huston gathered at a red ribbon drawn across the entrance of the theater. Nearby were Coppola’s nephew Nicholas Cage and the newest Jackson superstar, Janet.

Reading from cue cards, they proclaimed:
Huston: “For all those who still believe in the magic world of fantasy and imagination…”
Lucas: “For all those who are still moved by the wonders of music and dance…”
Coppola: “For all those who share Walt Disney’s dream and delight in the promise of the future, we cut this ribbon signifying the opening of the 3-D musical motion picture space adventure, Captain EO!”

Animation Historian Charles Solomon, reviewing the film in the “Los Angeles Times”, October 9, 1986 echoed the feelings of many people when he wrote:

“For all its wondrous imagery, Captain EO is nothing more than the most elaborate rock video in history, like a hollow chocolate Easter bunny, it’s a glorious surface over a void. No one expects an amusement-park diversion to be Gone With the Wind, but given that list of credits and the film’s lavish budget, audiences have a right to expect more than empty flash.”

Over time, the film attracted fewer and fewer guests and odd behavior by Jackson in public certainly didn’t help encourage guests to attend the show.

Captain EO closed quietly and without fanfare at Disneyland April 1997. It had closed July 1994 at Epcot, September 1996 at Tokyo Disneyland, and lasted until August 1998 at Disneyland Paris.

I know there must be much more to the story of Captain EO, but nobody has written much of anything, so here, for future researchers, is what little I know to help them better understand that small footnote in Jackson’s life.

Superstition said:

What's the point in posting Mike's video? Murray wasn't falsely accused of child molestation based on nothing except a media grudge and money hungry rats! If it's true and Mike's dead, Murray actually deserves the hatred aimed at him for making some of the worst decisions a doctor could make and still no one has answered my obvious question - WHO ARE HIS SUPPORTERS?

NMuzakNSoul said:

I've felt the exact same way.

purplesweat said:

Yes, like I said, I've thought about that, which is something I could actually commend. But then, I think of the exact opposite: It could have been a plan for him to have the "greatest ending" ever, which is horribly wrong. Now, however, I doubt it was either choice. And considering the trials with the law, he couldn't have been an American government secret agent who was "pulled out" (via false death) for health rehabilitation purposes, and living on a secret analysis island somewhere.... Or could he? .... ....

dag said:

That definitely could be the way he felt.

thedance said:

Just to clear a few misconceptions on both camps.

Breaking the color barrier
During MTV's first few years on the air, very few black artists were included in rotation on the channel. Those who were in MTV's rotation included Eddy Grant, Tina Turner and Donna Summer. The very first non-white act played on MTV in the US was UK band The Specials, which featured an integrated line-up of white and black musicians and vocalists. The Specials' video "Rat Race" was played as the 58th video on the station's first day of broadcasting.[24]
MTV rejected other black artists' videos, such as Rick James' "Super Freak," because they didn't fit the channel's rock dominated format at the time. The exclusion enraged James; he publicly advocated the addition of more black artists' videos on the channel. Rock legend David Bowie also questioned MTV's lack of black artists during an on-air interview with VJ Mark Goodman in 1983.[25] MTV's original head of talent and acquisition, Carolyn B. Baker, who was black, had questioned why the definition of music had to be so narrow, as had a few others.
Before 1983, Michael Jackson also struggled to receive airtime on MTV.[26] To resolve the struggle and finally "break the color barrier", the president of CBS Records at the time, Walter Yetnikoff, denounced MTV in a strong, profane statement, threatening to take away MTV's ability to play any of the record label's music videos.[26][27] However, Les Garland, then acquisitions head, said he decided to air Jackson's "Billie Jean" video without pressure from CBS.[25] This was contradicted by CBS head of Business Affairs David Benjamin in Vanity Fair.[6] In any case, MTV began showing the "Billie Jean" video in regular rotation in 1983, forming a lengthy partnership with Jackson and helping other black music artists.
According to The Austin Chronicle, Jackson's video for the song "Billie Jean" was "the video that broke the color barrier, even though the channel itself was responsible for erecting that barrier in the first place." After airing Jackson's music videos, MTV, then a struggling cable channel, became very popular. Jackson's videos were credited for this success[30] and MTV's focus switched from rock to pop and R&B.[28] This move helped other black artists such as Prince, Whitney Houston and Janet Jackson break into heavy rotation on the channel. Jonathan Cohen of Billboard magazine commented Janet Jackson's "accessible sound and spectacularly choreographed videos were irresistible to MTV, and helped the channel evolve from rock programming to a broader, beat-driven musical mix."

Soure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTV

There is no disputing Prince's videos off 1999 were played before MJ, but Prince was still not the first. Where the misconception rests is in the fact that Michael was the first put into heavy rotation and the first to really have an impact in terms of both requests and record sales.

Swa

purplesweat said:

You asked who the hell declares their innocence and thanks their supporters in a video. Mike did it twice. Oh, but its normal for him to do it and not someone else. Since when is a person declaring their innocence and thanking those who stand by them strange, regardless of if the person is guilty or not?

And to answer your question, he's practicing again... so he obviously has patients (who I'd guess are his supporters), and TMZ (who have actually been pretty thorough in their covering of this case) has mentioned his supporters. Maybe there's people who know him personally that don't think he's the monster people who have never met the guy seem to think he is. He obviously f'ed up big time, it doesn't mean he ever had the intention to hurt anyone.
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Oh Lawd , that's why i'm trying to stay away from MJ Threads and Forums

Swa said:

if this is all true, then there you have it my people's...lets put it to bed.

So, where were we, ah yeah, discussing the MENTAL notion that MJ is alive....in disguise lmao.

Another Day snippet was very below average but the voice was great. Pitty because i expected more from Lenny, you know, an actual musician.

bboy87 said:

True but, mj diehards take things to insanity lengths.

My time spent with the fandom was madness looking back.

I remember my favourite comment, when shitty Hold My Hand came out...

"OMG the King of music is back, i can't stop listening to it! That beautiful orchestra...or whatever it is at the start, to his heavenly melodies!"

So much wrong and laughable about that.

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Swa said:

Case closed.....

The ignorance of some people is really bewildering, Anything to discredit Mj’s achievements and accomplishments,Rest In peace Michael, there will never ever be another, An international symbol known all over the world...
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WetDream said:

Hold My Hand got mixed reviews from fans in general. The hardcore fans love everything and anything, but like I said, there are fans of artists who will debate anything. I remember when I made a comment about Jughead, some P fan was PISSED at me

I've seen fandom like that with Michael, Prince, Madonna, 2Pac, Biggie, and even Kiss

WetDream said:

I liked Another Day , I also like Just Blaze's remix of Lenny's version "Storm"

I'd love to hear Michael's version of Behind The Mask

bboy87 said:

Michael worse

bboy87 said:

Me too! You know i live for the Thriller era!

babybugz said:

I don't know.....'Pac fans thought he was going to come back September 7, 2003 and was trying to find codes in all his songs..

ViintageJunkiie said:

We have the most unreleased material from the Thriller and Dangerous sessions:


Thriller
Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' (Demo)
Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' (Studio Demo)
Baby Be Mine (Demo)
The Girl Is Mine (Studio Demo)
The Girl Is Mine (Rehearsal Demo)
Beat It (Demo)
Billie Jean (Home Demo)
Billie Jean (Studio Demo)
Billie Jean (Studio Demo #2)
PYT (Demo)
PYT (Instrumental)
The Lady In My Life (Uncut Mix)
Starlight
Got The Hots
Carousel
Hot Street
Slapstick
Nightline
She's Trouble (Demo)
She's Trouble (Final Version)


Dangerous
In The Closet (Solo Demo)
In The Closet (Instrumental Mix)
Remember The Time (Unedited)
Black Or White (Unedited)
Who Is It (Unedited)
Keep The Faith (Alternate Vocal Take)
Gone Too Soon (Alternate Vocal Take)
Dangerous (Demo)
What About Us
Monkey Business
Serious Effect
She Got It
Work That Body
For All Time (Early Version)
For All Time (New Mix)

Harry Weinger from Universal/Motown recently said there could be an expanded edition of I Want You Back!: The Unreleased Masters. There's enough material for more Jackson 5 releases, including live concerts

bboy87 said:

And the things I seen posted in here recently you think is not as strange than that??

bboy87 said:

I'm not buying that again... greedy , I just want the concerts
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