Prospect said:

I cannot stand him. I am trying to figure out how he is an expert in anything. Listening to his radio show, I would say he has a few misogynistic issues himself.

Prospect said:

Not this woman

I could see through his bullshit a mile away,,,,,but I give credit where its due, other than his cringe worthy generalization of black men, I'd say the man is on to something.

Speaking of which, did anybody here read his alleged novel? I've yet to see folks in here talking about it.

Harlepolis said:

TD3 read it.

I'm not interested in reading anything his no talking ass has to say. The title is even a turnoff.

"Think Like a Woman. Act Like a Man". The problem is people keep acting instead of being who they truly are because they are trying to live up to some society standard. Men and women should stop playing games with each other and be real.

ThreadBare said:

Cater to women to get their $$$$?


Tell them that women are never to be blamed for misogny?


A good number of women love to tame a Misogynist.. They love it. They love being seen as sex objects by a man who is a Misogynist. A man who is known for chasing and gaining attractive women, can make a woman feel proud about her looks. It's vanity. They just want to be the "special one" to end his game. The Queen who tames the Tiger.. especially a rich tiger..(no pun intended-npi).
Being a Thug was not cool until they appeared on Videos and TV, and promoted by 2Pac..

Before the late 90's, "thugs" were drunk Irishmen fighting in pubs, and Europeans fighting after soccer games..

NWA promoted "ganstas". 2 Pac promoted Thugs or Thugz.


These women already know why they are single.


YHWH is Elohim and Yahoshua is King
[Edited 12/25/09 10:48am]

Harlepolis said:

you are awesome.

Can we also discuss how women and not just black women allow themselves to be degraded? Can't nobody do something to you that you don't let them.

Prospect said:

Basically.


He's just feeding people what the media wants the public to believe.

Prospect said:

Not this woman

I could see through his bullshit a mile away,,,,,but I give credit where its due, other than his cringe worthy generalization of black men, I'd say the man is on to something.

Speaking of which, did anybody here read his alleged novel? I've yet to see folks in here talking about it.

Vendetta1 said:

When a book/author, so called generates a HEAP of strong feelings,,,,I'm UP

Thats why I read the Superhead book

ernestsewell said:

None of his rants went off the curve,,,,they simply triggered alot of guilty emotions by stating issues that some folks would like them to be left unsaid, hence the "Bill is a grumby old man, who lived his whole life among the bourgeoisie and doesn't know his way back to the neighborhood and now he's airing our dirty laundry to white folks" tirades.

Its easier to shoot the messenger as opposed to deal with their news,,,,and thats exactly what Dr.Cosby brought to the table, OLD NEWS that nobody wanted to hear.

Harlepolis said:

Calm down. I wasn't bashing Bill. I happen to love Bill, since way before The Cosby Show in the 80's.

ernestsewell said:

I am calm,,,,and it wasn't an attack on you just an observation.

jeami said:

Nail.Meet.Head.

Pre-NWA, record labels were afraid to touch "hard" rappers and when they slowly but surely invaded the scene,,,they adopted the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" method, true to their form.

If artists collectively defied this bullshit,,,you better believe that record companies will jump on the bandwagon too.

As far as black folks making fools of themselves,,,,,coonery & buffoonery has ALWAYS been a big profit, its not a coincidence that Tyler Perry is the most prominent black filmmaker(and the ONLY black filmmaker with a steady work).

But I can't blame white folks alone, we share a BIG chunk of the blame as well,,,,,Its like Spike Lee said "When John Singelton made Boyz N' The Hood, the theaters were flooded but when he made Rosewood, nobody showed up".

A shit load of us will be ready to fight you if you talked shit about Tyler Perry but will nod if you talked the same way about Spike Lee instead.
[Edited 12/24/09 17:30pm]

ThreadBare said:

Cater to women to get their $$$$?


Tell them that women are never to be blamed for misogny?


A good number of women love to tame a Misogynist.. They love it. They love being seen as sex objects by a man who is a Misogynist. A man who is known for chasing and gaining attractive women, can make a woman feel proud about her looks. It's vanity. They just want to be the "special one" to end his game. The Queen who tames the Tiger.. especially a rich tiger..(no pun intended-npi).

Being a Thug was not cool until they appeared on Videos and TV, and promoted by 2Pac..

Before the late 90's, "thugs" were drunk Irishmen fighting in pubs, and Europeans fighting after soccer games..

NWA promoted "ganstas". 2 Pac promoted Thugs or Thugz.


These women already know why they are single.


YHWH is Elohim and Yahoshua is King
[Edited 12/25/09 10:48am]

No, other folks degrade women, too.

Steve has found his cash cow, and he's milking it for all he can.

I wonder if he gets hate mail from Terry McMillan for stealing her hustle.

Steve Harvey has a point, but the people that need to hear the message aren't listening. People have been complaining about the current state of hip hop for several years now, but the record companies haven't changed yet. They keep releasing the same old BS.
The only way hip hop will change is if the record companies can't make a profit/musicians refuse to make this kind of music anymore. The statistics show that the majority of the people that buy hip hop CDs are white. This leads me to believe that white America likes it when minorities make fools of themselves. I'm sure there are plenty of musicians that create positive, uplifting music, but the record companies are not interested. Unfortunately, there are plenty of musicians that are willing to be used as puppets, so this doesn't help our image in pop culture.

When exactly did hip hop become misogynistic b/c I swear it seems like it's always been that way even before the big bad white executives starting seeing dollar signs.

DesireeNevermind said:

Not true.

Rap when it 1st started was ALL about respect and empowerment. Both characteristics are considered "lame" now by some.

Harlepolis said:

Not interested in that one either. I've seen what she does. I'm not impressed.

Harlepolis said:

Isn't that INSANE?

remember how people dogged Will Smith and said his rap was corny?

Vendetta1 said:

I watched it twice...for research

bboy87 said:

I laughed my ass off when I saw the movie.

Vendetta1 said:

You can tell the money from the book helped her cuz ole girl was suckin' dick with stride but hadn't had a touch up on those roots in a hot minute

DesireeNevermind said:

Not true.

Rap when it 1st started was ALL about respect and empowerment. Both characteristics are considered "lame" now by some.

All Hip Hop did was start reporting the news and the news just happened to be bad.”

There has been debate within the African-American community to figure out exactly what happened in the relations between Black men and Black women and why females are depicted and treated so negatively.

The finger of blame has been pointed directly at Hip Hop as the culprit of the images displayed on television and the lyrics rapped on records. This only feeds into the minds of the consumer and force feeds them into believing that this is how women are meant to be treated.

That is, however, only one side of the coin and only one perception being displayed.

Blame is placed on other outlets in order to relieve the strain from the image that are reflected in the mirror. Men didn't just start degrading women in Hip Hop, it started way before then and just happened to transition to it.

Releasing the book, Act Like A Lady, Think Like A Man, Steve Harvey caught up with Rollingout.com to speak on how Black men haven't taken charge to mold the minds of the younger generation and make them realize the error of their ways.

“We forgot to teach the generation under us the business of just being cool. We messed around and let cool go out of style. Now they replaced cool with hard. Now ain't nobody cool no more, everybody wanna be hard now. Once you take cool out the business, cool affects a lot of stuff.”

The ripple effect has promoted negativity and as young Black men have continued to embrace this aspect, they believe that it's acceptable and bring it with them to rap and usher in a negative misconception of how women should be regarded.

“We are the only race of people, Black men, that degrade our women in our music. We are the only race of people, how did we manage to do that?”

Citing that being a gangster is locally accepted now, Harvey adds that men feel that emotions are irrelevant and only stand behind what makes them feel as though they are “hard."

“It has resulted in how we talk to our women. We don't talk to our women smooth no more cause we ain't cool no more. Now we talk to our women hard.”

No matter how much people look at the television and debate and say, ‘Look at the music, this is what kids feed into,' let's take a better look at the history that had pimps and gangsters. Every perception conceived is originated from real life situations.

“It ain't Hip Hop's fault, we caused all of this to happen. If we would get in the business and teach our young men the business of how to be men, we could stop some of this, but we steady pointing our finger at them saying, ‘Hip Hop did this and Hip Hop did that.'

So to end the debate, Hip Hop was not and is not the reason behind the “hatred of women” that exists in the African-American community and makes men treat them like trash. History and a lack of growth within men has created a rift where it is considered routine, which is utter ignorance. Older generations point at the youth, but why blame when you can teach? Why allow ignorance to continue and even engage in it instead of providing the younger generation a clear view of how things should be?

Hopefully, there will be a mass enlightenment, but that's very doubtful. In the end, the world will blame Black people as Black people blame each other. It is time to take charge and find a way to educate instead of continuing to let stupidity flood the culture.