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Smack her with a dick, smack her with a dick Put a dick in the air, a dick in the air Dick in the air, dick in the air Fuck her in the eye, fuck her in the eye Fuck her in the eye, fuck her in the eye Blind the bitch, blind the bitch..." 
"I don't care girl he ain't talking about me!  "
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Dr. Cosby and other entertainers..
(Hey, anybody remember the ganstas in "Let's Do It Again"?)..And the title/soundtrack song is about sex??? (without mentioning marriage?? What???)
_____ ..being a cool criminal who gets all the fine women who want fast $$$ and easy times? More.. Black Caesar Superfly The Mack.. Boyz N The Hood Menace II Society _____ I'm not defending the rappers at all, but I think that all of these so-called "black celebrity dignitaries" have forgotten that they promoted this garbage is a "safe and more acceptable way" when they were doing their thing.. They may see a few gold-tooth hoods in the 90's slip through the back door and make a bunch of $$$$ with more vulgarity, but they were not much different. Are they worried about how they it is being done now, or who was allowed to do it? How about never creating something that depicts gangsters, thugs, and the evil under-belly of black inner city life? How about not writing a comedy that depicts being a gansta to out-smart the gangsters in the 70's? Is sort of like Prince and other musicians saying "real music by real musicians", but they never took a million dollar$, and paid for instruments for black youth in the inner cities in the 80s (after Reaganomics' Mandate to eliminate public funding for instruments and the arts in school). Who are your major producers now? Black youth from the inner cities (who use drum machines, samplers, and auto-tune). What you left behind (when you were making all this $$$$) will be a part of what will be... _____ YHWH is Elohim and Yahoshua is King [Edited 12/26/09 20:10pm] | |
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I don't wanna defend current mainstream hip-hop either but people we have to cut this double standards shit out. There was degradation since the beginning of time, probably since the "Prohibition Era", for them to think it started because it started with a guy putting two turntables and a mic (nowadays it's 808s and computer equipment) is just stupid IMHO. All races are as guilty for misogyny as we are guilty about everything else, we just help to promote it so we ain't doing any better criticizing the music. | |
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interesting thread.
if you accept his theory, and I do, we should be asking ourselves "how do we get to a place where we're respecting our women & ourselves?" ignore the ignorant & educate yourselves! Don't feed the culture of stupidity - stop giving shit hop & vh1 your time and $$$. | |
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ThreadBare said: No, other folks degrade women, too.
Steve has found his cash cow, and he's milking it for all he can. I wonder if he gets hate mail from Terry McMillan for stealing her hustle. So you think everything he said can be easily dismissed? Is there no truth in it whatsoever? Really, Threaddy?   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Harlepolis said: jeami said: Steve Harvey has a point, but the people that need to hear the message aren't listening. People have been complaining about the current state of hip hop for several years now, but the record companies haven't changed yet. They keep releasing the same old BS.
The only way hip hop will change is if the record companies can't make a profit/musicians refuse to make this kind of music anymore. The statistics show that the majority of the people that buy hip hop CDs are white. This leads me to believe that white America likes it when minorities make fools of themselves. I'm sure there are plenty of musicians that create positive, uplifting music, but the record companies are not interested. Unfortunately, there are plenty of musicians that are willing to be used as puppets, so this doesn't help our image in pop culture. Nail.Meet.Head. Pre-NWA, record labels were afraid to touch "hard" rappers and when they slowly but surely invaded the scene,,,they adopted the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" method, true to their form. If artists collectively defied this bullshit,,,you better believe that record companies will jump on the bandwagon too. As far as black folks making fools of themselves,,,,,coonery & buffoonery has ALWAYS been a big profit, its not a coincidence that Tyler Perry is the most prominent black filmmaker(and the ONLY black filmmaker with a steady work). But I can't blame white folks alone, we share a BIG chunk of the blame as well,,,,,Its like Spike Lee said "When John Singelton made Boyz N' The Hood, the theaters were flooded but when he made Rosewood, nobody showed up". A shit load of us will be ready to fight you if you talked shit about Tyler Perry but will nod if you talked the same way about Spike Lee instead. Excellent points  I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Paris9748430 said: Did Steve just say that Black Men were the only race of people that degrade women in Music Videos???
Yep, it's just us!!! Do you think we all do it to the same degree though? I mean, it's kind of interesting that your examples are all from the 80's. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I do think Hip Hop has a firm grip on degrading the shit out of women right now, mostly Black women. . [Edited 12/25/09 15:54pm] I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Harlepolis said: While I don't agree with him about his generalization of black men and their sole stance of degrading women.
I DO think that nowadays, most mainstream black "entertainers" are comfortable with degrading women,,,,but ALSO, their record labels are as much to blame for glorifying that by promoting their products. Where there's smoke, there's fire, people. We shouldn't discredit that just because it makes us "cringe". I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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ernestsewell said: Art is reflecting life.
It is, but it can become a cycle & this case a vicious one - I think that after having certain messages drummed into your head over & over, shit you already believe as the norm, that it can help solidify those concepts. I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Linn4days said: Dr. Cosby and other entertainers..
(Hey, anybody remember the ganstas in "Let's Do It Again"?)..And the title/soundtrack song is about sex??? (without mentioning marriage?? What???)
_____ ..being a cool criminal who gets all the fine women who want fast $$$ and easy times? More.. Black Caesar Superfly The Mack.. Boyz N The Hood Menace II Society _____ I'm not defending the rappers at all, but I think that all of these so-called "black celebrity dignitaries" have forgotten that they promoted this garbage is a "safe and more acceptable way" when they were doing their thing.. They may see a few gold-tooth hoods in the 90's slip through the back door and make a bunch of $$$$ with more vulgarity, but they were not much different. Are they worried about how they it is being done now, or who was allowed to do it? How about never creating something that depicts gangsters, thugs, and the evil under-belly of black inner city life? How about not writing a comedy that depicts being a gansta to out-smart the gangsters in the 70's? Is sort of like Prince and other musicians saying "real music by real musicians", but they never took a million dollars and paid for instruments for black youth in the inner cities in the 80s after Reaganomics' Mandate to eliminate public funding for instruments and the arts in school. Who are your major producers now? Black youth from the inner cities (who use drum machines, samplers, and auto-tune). What you left behind (when you were making all this $$$$) will be a part of what will be... Good points... I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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COMPUTERBLUE1984 said: I can see where he is coming from to a point, but he can only speak from the vantage point of being an older black male observing the art of the younger generation. As posters here have illustrated, misogyny wears different faces in different eras musically speaking.
There is enough blame to go around: the single parent household, the media, social institutions, peers, and the community itself to name a few. These problems have simmered below the surface for generations and hip hop/rap provided the voice. The young black males that were at the forefront of the movement were to some degree affected by the factors mentioned before. The industry itself is one in which some young black men can come up (become rich) without the need for a proper education, just what they know and how they say it. When you create/profit from an industry in which the gatekeepers (record companies) exploit the naivete/ignorance of their employees (rappers), you have what we have in the industry where the black female is denegrated instead of celebrated. The attitudes these rappers may have should be explored at the root level. Instead of going after Black Men for misogyny, see what triggers that attitude. Can it be eliminated from entertainment? No, because sex sells, but misogynistic attitudes exist throughout all media on a surface and subconsious level. Steve Harvey, Bill Cosby, C Delores Tucker and others are concerned and rightfully so because the attitudes manifested itself into the most popular art form of the Black community. This in itself paints the picture that as a community, we do not appreciate our mothers, sisters, wives, and daughters beyond being eye candy and that is a damn shame. Good points! I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Timmy84 said: I don't wanna defend current mainstream hip-hop either but people we have to cut this double standards shit out. There was degradation since the beginning of time, probably since the "Prohibition Era", for them to think it started because it started with a guy putting two turntables and a mic (nowadays it's 808s and computer equipment) is just stupid IMHO. All races are as guilty for misogyny as we are guilty about everything else, we just help to promote it so we ain't doing any better criticizing the music.
I don't think anyone is stupid enough to think it actually STARTED w/ Hip Hop (at least I hope not! ), but I think the notion is more from a mainstream point of view - i.e. when it became the norm & expected, so they look no further than the very music that promotes it w/o looking deeper (where it came from before that). I don't think he's being as literal as the headline states. I think he's addressing the fact that the music continues to perpetuate (& cement imo) these thoughts, but that we have to look deeper & not just stop @ the current pusher. I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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& know I may be coming off as a huge Harvey supporter here but I wanna say I find that he puts a LOT of responsibility on Black women to right the wrongs in the Black "community", which I find unbalanced despite what validity it might have... I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CalhounSq said: & know I may be coming off as a huge Harvey supporter here :lol: but I wanna say I find that he puts a LOT of responsibility on Black women to right the wrongs in the Black "community", which I find unbalanced despite what validity it might have...
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babybugz said: CalhounSq said: & know I may be coming off as a huge Harvey supporter here
but I wanna say I find that he puts a LOT of responsibility on Black women to right the wrongs in the Black "community", which I find unbalanced despite what validity it might have... Yes you are loving this thread Not terribly, but the responses are really interesting. I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CalhounSq said: Timmy84 said: I don't wanna defend current mainstream hip-hop either but people we have to cut this double standards shit out. There was degradation since the beginning of time, probably since the "Prohibition Era", for them to think it started because it started with a guy putting two turntables and a mic (nowadays it's 808s and computer equipment) is just stupid IMHO. All races are as guilty for misogyny as we are guilty about everything else, we just help to promote it so we ain't doing any better criticizing the music.
I don't think anyone is stupid enough to think it actually STARTED w/ Hip Hop (at least I hope not! ), but I think the notion is more from a mainstream point of view - i.e. when it became the norm & expected, so they look no further than the very music that promotes it w/o looking deeper (where it came from before that). I don't think he's being as literal as the headline states. I think he's addressing the fact that the music continues to perpetuate (& cement imo) these thoughts, but that we have to look deeper & not just stop @ the current pusher.I see your point... | |
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This might as well be my last post on this website because the asshole who continues to disrespect Hip Hop by calling it "shit hop" pisses me right the fuck off.
I agree with Steve Harvey. I love Hip Hop, and I'm a woman, who hasn't met too many gentleman in my 22 years of age. I notice a lot of these "men" were raised by their moms and grandmothers. They really weren't reared by men. They cannot be taught lessons men learn from men, by women. I am fortunate enough to have my dad in my brothers' corner. Though I would never respond to a man calling me over like "aye bitch", I don't necessarily believe that when rappers use those words in song, they transition from stage to street. Those same behaviors they weren't taught as children, will be missing from their adult lives. If you grow up in a neighborhood infested with crime, drugs and poverty, your views don't exactly reflect the traditional American Dream. Some dreams are street dreams; dreams that stop at wealth, women and what have you. Rap music hardly influences what these people are in life. Rap music doesn't make them poor, it doesn't place them in underperforming school districts and it doesn't impregnate young black women. It's not spreading AIDS, it's not wire tapping the phones, it's not even why there is gang violence. For as much negativity that exists in their everyday world, rap music is a brief escape for many of its listeners. Please be sure to keep in mind there is more than one type of rap. There are several subdivisions that include gospel, educational, conscious, mainstream and underground. It has achieved what even Prince hasn't. (There is a college course to interpret 2Pac lyrics.) Not to compare them in any way, being two of the few things I love wholeheartedly. My point is, this is not an assault on Hip Hop. It is very much an internal affair. (A black issue, that doesn't need Hip Hop hating bigots or assholes who don't have anything to do with it.) Much like Goodtimes after the passing of James Evans, the Black community is living what was scripted in a 70s sitcom. Without a strong male presence you see the ridiculousness in every 2009 JJ and Thelma walking the street. Michael being involved in politics and being such a radical is the only thing that saves him from this category. We are no longer in a time where a man couldn't date a woman if he didn't first state his intentions and provide sufficient evidence that he could provide for her. These boys who have yet to turn to men only have their swag and their seed to offer these unlady-like divas and "bad bitches" of tomorrow. (What the fuck are these things?) Though I may be young, I have long seen the divide in the two generations. The old school players don't have any tolerance for the new school fools. The sad thing is, both parties suffer immensely as a result of the unwavering stupidity. This rift has existed since slavery. Keeping the families apart and making it that much harder to form a united front. Except now, we're the ones deciding to write off one another. We took it upon ourselves to ignore tradition and remove that "commnuity" aspect from the Black community. The simple fact is the downward spiral is in motion and Hip Hop damn sure didn't get it started. I'm just disappointed in the lack of effort by both sides to brdige this gap. We'd rather this generation teach the next generation the nothing they learned from the last generation. Hell, even though the Confederacy lost, they still take it upon to teach their history off getting the mud stomped out of them. Why not teach our young Black kids something of value? As I previously stated, I am not in love with the regular amount of off base dumb shit I frequently spot in this particular forum. It's enough to choke a horse. In threads mentioning Hip Hop I continue to see the most blatant and astounding showcases of ignorance. I'm unimpressed by these people who comment on the artists or the art WITHOUT KNOWING SHIT ABOUT IT. I'm also not amused by the people who continue to see whatever it is they don't like about something that does not fucking involve them. This is not your war, stand the fuck down. OK? Hip Hop has united more people than you could ever achieve in your stay on Earth. You do not validate the expression, emotion or experience of these people. You feel fit to judge them because you may or may not have a target on your back for what you choose as your line of work. To simply call what they do "shit" while there are actual people who spread hate and perpetuate it. (Ever heard of terrorism?) You would rather scrape the skin off your teeth than admit that rap music and rappers aren't the sign of the world's end. I assume you'd also rather shove your own penis down a garbage disposal. No? didn't think so. Fuck your opinion on something that you are not even welcome to discuss. Limit your pissy, clearly frustrated comments to how much you wish television broadcasts were still black and white AND STAY THE FUCK OUT OF THREADS INVOLVING HIP HOP! I'm gone. Peace, Hip Hop & Purple Rain Goddess Cru... You're damn right I'm angry! Love is 2 Weak 2 Define, Just What U Mean 2 Me - ADORE | |
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See what kind of mess you started, Andy? | |
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Harlepolis said: And before you guys say "well white people do it too and blah blah blah".
Should we still give ourselves a pass for doing the same bullshit when we should do better?   you are awesome.
Can we also discuss how women and not just black women allow themselves to be degraded? Can't nobody do something to you that you don't let them. | |
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ernestsewell said: COMPUTERBLUE1984 said: Steve Harvey, Bill Cosby, C Delores Tucker and others are concerned and rightfully so because the attitudes manifested itself into the most popular art form of the Black community. This in itself paints the picture that as a community, we do not appreciate our mothers, sisters, wives, and daughters beyond being eye candy and that is a damn shame.
And just to reference Sunsetdriver1999's comment about Steve being a black Dr. Phil., and my rebuttal - let's not forget that Bill Cosby is, in fact, holds a Doctorate degree (in Education), and is quite smart when it comes to social issues, although he's had a few rants that have went a bit off the curve. None of his rants went off the curve,,,,they simply triggered alot of guilty emotions by stating issues that some folks would like them to be left unsaid, hence the "Bill is a grumby old man, who lived his whole life among the bourgeoisie and doesn't know his way back to the neighborhood and now he's airing our dirty laundry to white folks" tirades. Its easier to shoot the messenger as opposed to deal with their news,,,,and thats exactly what Dr.Cosby brought to the table, OLD NEWS that nobody wanted to hear. | |
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Steve Harvey is a fucking simp. He just tells people (women especially) what they wanna hear. | |
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Prospect said: Steve Harvey is a fucking simp. He just tells people (women especially) what they wanna hear.
Basically. He's just feeding people what the media wants the public to believe. | |
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See what kind of mess you started, Andy?   Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Prospect said: Steve Harvey is a fucking simp. He just tells people (women especially) what they wanna hear. I cannot stand him. I am trying to figure out how he is an expert in anything. Listening to his radio show, I would say he has a few misogynistic issues himself. | |
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Vendetta1 said: Prospect said: Steve Harvey is a fucking simp. He just tells people (women especially) what they wanna hear. I cannot stand him. I am trying to figure out how he is an expert in anything. Listening to his radio show, I would say he has a few misogynistic issues himself.How many times has he been married??? And he wrote a Best Selling Book about how women can keep their men. Negro, you need to read a book about how to keep your woman!!! JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Prospect said: Steve Harvey is a fucking simp. He just tells people (women especially) what they wanna hear.
Not this woman
I could see through his bullshit a mile away,,,,,but I give credit where its due, other than his cringe worthy generalization of black men, I'd say the man is on to something. Speaking of which, did anybody here read his alleged novel? I've yet to see folks in here talking about it. | |
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Paris9748430 said: Vendetta1 said: I cannot stand him. I am trying to figure out how he is an expert in anything. Listening to his radio show, I would say he has a few misogynistic issues himself.
How many times has he been married??? And he wrote a Best Selling Book about how women can keep their men. Negro, you need to read a book about how to keep your woman!!! Not what I heard  | |
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ThreadBare said: No, other folks degrade women, too.
Steve has found his cash cow, and he's milking it for all he can. I wonder if he gets hate mail from Terry McMillan for stealing her hustle. | |
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Paris9748430 said: Vendetta1 said: I cannot stand him. I am trying to figure out how he is an expert in anything. Listening to his radio show, I would say he has a few misogynistic issues himself.
How many times has he been married??? And he wrote a Best Selling Book about how women can keep their men. Negro, you need to read a book about how to keep your woman!!! | |
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Harlepolis said: ernestsewell said: And just to reference Sunsetdriver1999's comment about Steve being a black Dr. Phil., and my rebuttal - let's not forget that Bill Cosby is, in fact, holds a Doctorate degree (in Education), and is quite smart when it comes to social issues, although he's had a few rants that have went a bit off the curve. None of his rants went off the curve,,,,they simply triggered alot of guilty emotions by stating issues that some folks would like them to be left unsaid, hence the "Bill is a grumby old man, who lived his whole life among the bourgeoisie and doesn't know his way back to the neighborhood and now he's airing our dirty laundry to white folks" tirades. Its easier to shoot the messenger as opposed to deal with their news,,,,and thats exactly what Dr.Cosby brought to the table, OLD NEWS that nobody wanted to hear. I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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