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PrintableTimmy84 said: I think it's a unfair generalization that ALL gays like Madonna. I like her but not to the degree some do. I like her for her music (particularly her 1980s and 1990s works) and for the fact that she was a ballsy entertainer (much like Betty Davis, Labelle, Grace Jones, Debbie Harry, Donna Summer, Cyndi Lauper, Bette Midler, etc. were). But to be honest I'm not too personally connected to folks unless their music inspired me to the point where I wanted to be like that. Like Prince, he inspires me, MJ, he inspires me, Marvin, he inspires me, Jimi, James, Curtis, etc., etc., etc.
Of the females, Patti, Chaka and Betty hold my heart strings. 
[Edited 12/27/09 12:56pm] Same here. As far as personal role models go, I can relate more to a male that looks gay and is strong and in your face with it moreso than a ballsy woman. I admire a ballsy woman but I can relate more to a male because I'm a male also. It's kinda like they are going through what I would be going through if I were in their shoes. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Same here. As far as personal role models go, I can relate more to a male that looks gay and is strong and in your face with it moreso than a ballsy woman. I admire a ballsy woman but I can relate more to a male because I'm a male also. It's kinda like they are going through what I would be going through if I were in their shoes. Yeah I can relate to male artists who are either androgynous, soulful or sensitive.  | |
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Timmy84 said: vainandy said: Same here. As far as personal role models go, I can relate more to a male that looks gay and is strong and in your face with it moreso than a ballsy woman. I admire a ballsy woman but I can relate more to a male because I'm a male also. It's kinda like they are going through what I would be going through if I were in their shoes. Yeah I can relate to male artists who are either androgynous, soulful or sensitive. I don't like them to be too sensitive though. That was something I never liked about Michael Jackson. He looked gay as hell but he would cry if somebody messed with him. I like bitches like Prince that people think twice about fucking with for fear that he's gonna either cut them or have his bodyguards do it for him. 
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vainandy said: I don't like them to be too sensitive though. That was something I never liked about Michael Jackson. He looked gay as hell but he would cry if somebody messed with him. I like bitches like Prince that people think twice about fucking with for fear that he's gonna either cut them or have his bodyguards do it for him.
. . . [Edited 12/28/09 13:37pm] Yeah I know but I like to see someone's vulnerability. | |
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did it bother any of you when the press reported that guy ritchie is homophobic, and that madonna turned her back on her brother, who is gay? I always thought of her as embracing all kinds of people, but this story left me feeling a bit unsettled with her. Sure, Madonna and Guy are divorced now, but they were married for a while. If the story is true, surely madonna knew this about her ex husband... | |
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Harlepolis said: Because she likes them so much. Simple.
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mimi2 said: did it bother any of you when the press reported that guy ritchie is homophobic, and that madonna turned her back on her brother, who is gay? I always thought of her as embracing all kinds of people, but this story left me feeling a bit unsettled with her. Sure, Madonna and Guy are divorced now, but they were married for a while. If the story is true, surely madonna knew this about her ex husband...
Well that did disturb me a little I was soon calmed when Richie replied something like "you'd be pretty dim to be homophobic and marry Madonna" plus Madonna's brother wrote a tell all about her, I think that shows who is to blame for them drifting, clearly he has no sense of respect for the years they were close. 2012: The Queen Returns | |
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mimi2 said: did it bother any of you when the press reported that guy ritchie is homophobic, and that madonna turned her back on her brother, who is gay? I always thought of her as embracing all kinds of people, but this story left me feeling a bit unsettled with her. Sure, Madonna and Guy are divorced now, but they were married for a while. If the story is true, surely madonna knew this about her ex husband...
Madonna can't be responsible for whatever views her husband may have had. They probably had differing views on everything from politics to sexuality to what school their kids would attend - romantic love surpasses all that stuff. Also, wasn't Madonna's brother a leach (always asking her for money and not paying his bills)? She doesn't appear to be all that close to any of her siblings really.  L | |
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RKJCNE said: mimi2 said: did it bother any of you when the press reported that guy ritchie is homophobic, and that madonna turned her back on her brother, who is gay? I always thought of her as embracing all kinds of people, but this story left me feeling a bit unsettled with her. Sure, Madonna and Guy are divorced now, but they were married for a while. If the story is true, surely madonna knew this about her ex husband...
Well that did disturb me a little I was soon calmed when Richie replied something like "you'd be pretty dim to be homophobic and marry Madonna" plus Madonna's brother wrote a tell all about her, I think that shows who is to blame for them drifting, clearly he has no sense of respect for the years they were close. I'm glad you cleared that up. I thought she was more strong minded than that and was about to lose all respect for her. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: mimi2 said: did it bother any of you when the press reported that guy ritchie is homophobic, and that madonna turned her back on her brother, who is gay? I always thought of her as embracing all kinds of people, but this story left me feeling a bit unsettled with her. Sure, Madonna and Guy are divorced now, but they were married for a while. If the story is true, surely madonna knew this about her ex husband...
Madonna can't be responsible for whatever views her husband may have had. They probably had differing views on everything from politics to sexuality to what school their kids would attend - romantic love surpasses all that stuff. Also, wasn't Madonna's brother a leach (always asking her for money and not paying his bills)? She doesn't appear to be all that close to any of her siblings really. LQueens can be snakes just like straight people so that doesn't surprise me. And as far as siblings go, some of them can hurt you worse than a stranger would. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Queens can be snakes just like straight people so that doesn't surprise me. And as far as siblings go, some of them can hurt you worse than a stranger would. you aint lyin' | |
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vainandy said: Queens can be snakes just like straight people so that doesn't surprise me. And as far as siblings go, some of them can hurt you worse than a stranger would. Real talk. | |
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RKJCNE said: mimi2 said: did it bother any of you when the press reported that guy ritchie is homophobic, and that madonna turned her back on her brother, who is gay? I always thought of her as embracing all kinds of people, but this story left me feeling a bit unsettled with her. Sure, Madonna and Guy are divorced now, but they were married for a while. If the story is true, surely madonna knew this about her ex husband...
Well that did disturb me a little I was soon calmed when Richie replied something like "you'd be pretty dim to be homophobic and marry Madonna" plus Madonna's brother wrote a tell all about her, I think that shows who is to blame for them drifting, clearly he has no sense of respect for the years they were close. OK but there's another source who confirmed the idea that guy ritchie doesn't like gay people. A couple years ago, the british actor rupert everett (who also co-starred with madonna in the fail of a movie "the next best thing"), wrote a book about meeting various hollywood "divas". For a week, each day a different excerpt from his work appeared as an article in the daily mail paper. Here is a quote taken from what he wrote about madonna: Those not welcome were swept back out to sea by the polite but firm dismissal of Gwyneth Paltrow or the glum monosyllabic reply of Guy Ritchie, Madonna?s new boyfriend.
Unbeknown to most of us, Guy and Madonna were having a baby. Guy?s body curved around his princess in acquiescence, but he was not so accommodating to some of her old chums. This night marked the beginning of the end for Madonna and her younger brother, Christopher Ciccone. They had been inseparable in childhood and she had taken him with her to the material world, where he had provided a solid raft in the shark-infested waters. He had a blunt, aggressive manner, and he often looked as though he was laughing at you, particularly when he was drunk, but underneath he was vulnerable and funny. To know her at all you had to know him. But he and Guy were from different planets, and in a way the one?s success relied on the other not being there. Others were also on the way out. Guy was not particularly comfortable with queens, and so it was a last call for a lot of the disco bunnies and club-mix queens who made up the fabric of Madonna?s mantle. It was a surprise, because Madonna came out of the womb blowing a disco whistle. But a whole aspect of her life was about to be hit by the delete button. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.u...z0b2komzSd Everett, who is gay, became friends with madonna in the 80s and apparently this party in 1999 that is described in the quote above was the last time they really hung out together. He implies that madonna changed when she got with Guy, and that even her own brother was left out of her new life. Again, maybe this isn't true either, but it doesn't paint madonna in the best light, and it explains why her brother might have wanted to write that tell-all about her. [Edited 12/28/09 19:18pm] | |
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Wait, didn't rupert at a time pretty much gossip about everyone he came in contact with? He doesn't seem like a wholly reliable source about who and who isn't gay friendly. Maybe he just came off as an ass to some people. I mean he's the same guy that said soldiers join the army to get blown up and killed.
Um....on another note. What the fuck is up with his face?  | |
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mimi2 said:[quote] RKJCNE said: OK but there's another source who confirmed the idea that guy ritchie doesn't like gay people. A couple years ago, the british actor rupert everett (who also co-starred with madonna in the fail of a movie "the next best thing"), wrote a book about meeting various hollywood "divas". For a week, each day a different excerpt from his work appeared as an article in the daily mail paper. Here is a quote taken from what he wrote about madonna: Those not welcome were swept back out to sea by the polite but firm dismissal of Gwyneth Paltrow or the glum monosyllabic reply of Guy Ritchie, Madonna?s new boyfriend.
Unbeknown to most of us, Guy and Madonna were having a baby. Guy?s body curved around his princess in acquiescence, but he was not so accommodating to some of her old chums. This night marked the beginning of the end for Madonna and her younger brother, Christopher Ciccone. They had been inseparable in childhood and she had taken him with her to the material world, where he had provided a solid raft in the shark-infested waters. He had a blunt, aggressive manner, and he often looked as though he was laughing at you, particularly when he was drunk, but underneath he was vulnerable and funny. To know her at all you had to know him. But he and Guy were from different planets, and in a way the one?s success relied on the other not being there. Others were also on the way out. Guy was not particularly comfortable with queens, and so it was a last call for a lot of the disco bunnies and club-mix queens who made up the fabric of Madonna?s mantle. It was a surprise, because Madonna came out of the womb blowing a disco whistle. But a whole aspect of her life was about to be hit by the delete button. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.u...z0b2komzSd Everett, who is gay, became friends with madonna in the 80s and apparently this party in 1999 that is described in the quote above was the last time they really hung out together. He implies that madonna changed when she got with Guy, and that even her own brother was left out of her new life. Again, maybe this isn't true either, but it doesn't paint madonna in the best light, and it explains why her brother might have wanted to write that tell-all about her. [Edited 12/28/09 19:18pm] i think rupert got dumped because he has a history of trashing his co-stars and telling their secrets in print. i read an "article" he wrote about sharon stone and madonna. and then he blames his lack of careeer on being gay. it' isn't because you're gay rupert, it's because youre a gossipy bitch. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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mimi2 said:[quote] RKJCNE said: OK but there's another source who confirmed the idea that guy ritchie doesn't like gay people. A couple years ago, the british actor rupert everett (who also co-starred with madonna in the fail of a movie "the next best thing"), wrote a book about meeting various hollywood "divas". For a week, each day a different excerpt from his work appeared as an article in the daily mail paper. Here is a quote taken from what he wrote about madonna: Those not welcome were swept back out to sea by the polite but firm dismissal of Gwyneth Paltrow or the glum monosyllabic reply of Guy Ritchie, Madonna?s new boyfriend.
Unbeknown to most of us, Guy and Madonna were having a baby. Guy?s body curved around his princess in acquiescence, but he was not so accommodating to some of her old chums. This night marked the beginning of the end for Madonna and her younger brother, Christopher Ciccone. They had been inseparable in childhood and she had taken him with her to the material world, where he had provided a solid raft in the shark-infested waters. He had a blunt, aggressive manner, and he often looked as though he was laughing at you, particularly when he was drunk, but underneath he was vulnerable and funny. To know her at all you had to know him. But he and Guy were from different planets, and in a way the one?s success relied on the other not being there. Others were also on the way out. Guy was not particularly comfortable with queens, and so it was a last call for a lot of the disco bunnies and club-mix queens who made up the fabric of Madonna?s mantle. It was a surprise, because Madonna came out of the womb blowing a disco whistle. But a whole aspect of her life was about to be hit by the delete button. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.u...z0b2komzSd Everett, who is gay, became friends with madonna in the 80s and apparently this party in 1999 that is described in the quote above was the last time they really hung out together. He implies that madonna changed when she got with Guy, and that even her own brother was left out of her new life. Again, maybe this isn't true either, but it doesn't paint madonna in the best light, and it explains why her brother might have wanted to write that tell-all about her. [Edited 12/28/09 19:18pm] there is a rumor that Madge ghost wrote or had a hand in the tell all book, because there wasn't really anything new or earthshattering in it, and Madge doesn't really come out looking that bad. Supposedly this was one to both get her some needed press since the book happened to come out at the same time as her Hard Candy album and he needed money but she didn't want to give it to him outright but have work for it. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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| at the face, DesireeNevermind.
and DesireeNevermind + cborgman, I have no idea. I don't know much about Everett. I was just posting here something I had heard and read about. I also remember hearing Janice Dickinson giving an interview in which she slammed Madonna for turning her back on her brother and her friends. I realize Janice is a crack-crazy psycho as well
so again I'm not taking sides, and I hope it's not true, but if it is then I'm very disappointed in Madonna. | |
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mimi2 said: at the face, DesireeNevermind.
and DesireeNevermind + cborgman, I have no idea. I don't know much about Everett. I was just posting here something I had heard and read about. I also remember hearing Janice Dickinson giving an interview in which she slammed Madonna for turning her back on her brother and her friends. I realize Janice is a crack-crazy psycho as well
so again I'm not taking sides, and I hope it's not true, but if it is then I'm very disappointed in Madonna. Yeah but even if it is true you ought not to be disappointed in Madonna. What someone else in her circle says and does is beyond her control. Guy was her husband and father of her son, she loved him for a time and it would have been stupid to sacrifice that because he may have had unflattering opinions of homosexuality. As for her brother, we don't know truly what went down with them but I doubt it had anything to do with him being gay or whether he and Guy got along. Most likely some family drama that had to do with money. Many a celebrity has had a falling out with family members over money. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: mimi2 said: did it bother any of you when the press reported that guy ritchie is homophobic, and that madonna turned her back on her brother, who is gay? I always thought of her as embracing all kinds of people, but this story left me feeling a bit unsettled with her. Sure, Madonna and Guy are divorced now, but they were married for a while. If the story is true, surely madonna knew this about her ex husband...
Madonna can't be responsible for whatever views her husband may have had. They probably had differing views on everything from politics to sexuality to what school their kids would attend - romantic love surpasses all that stuff. Also, wasn't Madonna's brother a leach (always asking her for money and not paying his bills)? She doesn't appear to be all that close to any of her siblings really. LHe said he was underpaid for the work he did and sometimes not paid at all, so thats why he asked for money. | |
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Arnotts said: DesireeNevermind said: Madonna can't be responsible for whatever views her husband may have had. They probably had differing views on everything from politics to sexuality to what school their kids would attend - romantic love surpasses all that stuff. Also, wasn't Madonna's brother a leach (always asking her for money and not paying his bills)? She doesn't appear to be all that close to any of her siblings really. LHe said he was underpaid for the work he did and sometimes not paid at all, so thats why he asked for money. This is the brother that was also a painter right? She hooked him up with clientele. His artwork was a hot commodity in the 90s right? Shiit, maybe I'm getting the brothers mixed up cuz she's got a big family. I recall though that there was buzz about her giving Christopher a lot of money and him wasting it and racking up debt before she cut him off. Then he got all mommy dearest on her. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Arnotts said: He said he was underpaid for the work he did and sometimes not paid at all, so thats why he asked for money. This is the brother that was also a painter right? She hooked him up with clientele. His artwork was a hot commodity in the 90s right? Shiit, maybe I'm getting the brothers mixed up cuz she's got a big family. I recall though that there was buzz about her giving Christopher a lot of money and him wasting it and racking up debt before she cut him off. Then he got all mommy dearest on her. That could be true too, I don't know who to believe. But that was just his side, that she was stingey with his pay. | |
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When you are as big as Madonna you get plenty of leeches. besides during the Confessions era was practically her most gay aimed phase. She new after AL she needed to go back to her roots of dance. she played gay bars again and this was while her marriage still seemed to be fine. Madonna is a geek at heart, I don't believe she would ever turn her back on her fellow outcasts. 2012: The Queen Returns | |
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RKJCNE said: When you are as big as Madonna you get plenty of leeches. besides during the Confessions era was practically her most gay aimed phase. She new after AL she needed to go back to her roots of dance. she played gay bars again and this was while her marriage still seemed to be fine. Madonna is a geek at heart, I don't believe she would ever turn her back on her fellow outcasts.
Confessions Era was kinda when the cracks in their relationship started to show and the rumors about the marriage coming to end started. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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my opinion: gays are loyal to those who are loyal to them. when you're treated as an outcast by many, anyone who treats you as a cherished equal or, hell, even with respect, will gain support. see also: lady gaga. | |
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cborgman said: errant said: Why do they love Cyndi Lauper so much? That's pretty much her entire fanbase at this point. she's one of my biggest loves. she's just so freaking talented and unapologetic for her weird, and the true colors tour is something i always look forward to. To be frank, I am surprised she's never been as big as Madonna, considering she can sing her under the table, but that's show business. | |
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angel345 said: cborgman said: she's one of my biggest loves. she's just so freaking talented and unapologetic for her weird, and the true colors tour is something i always look forward to. To be frank, I am surprised she's never been as big as Madonna, considering she can sing her under the table, but that's show business. But Cyndi hasn't had the huge singles (or rather nearly as many) nor the Iconic moments and looks Madonna has. don't get me wrong, I adore Cyndi, but I don't think she ever wanted to be that big I think her passion has led her in a different direction. 2012: The Queen Returns | |
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They are attracted to her masculine side.  The message you are about to hear are not meant for transmission. Should ONLY be accessed in the privacy of your mind. Words are so intense so if you dare to listen.Take off your clothes and meet me between the lines.  | |
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RKJCNE said: midnightmover said: Well, people brainwashed into joining cults always think their actions are perfectly sensible. It takes an outsider to recognise the creepiness of it. Now you just sound like an idiot, non of us are brainwashed, is there something creepy about the fact that 80% of 13 year old girls love Taylor Swift? Obviously I didn't express myself clearly. My mistake. I wasn't saying Madonna fans are brainwashed. I was merely using the analogy of cult membership to illustrate that people caught up in something are hardly well placed to spot when that thing is a little crazy. The point being that I'd hardly expect a gay Madonna fan to see how creepy the uniform Madonna worship in their community is. It reeks of The Stepford Wives or Invasion of the Body Snatchers. You search in vain for an independent mind. And how telling that the only comparison you can find is with 13 year old white girls who (apparently) all love Taylor Swift. Need I point out that 13 year olds usually haven't found their identities yet? How could they? They're only kids. Fully grown adults are expected to have diffentiated more. [Edited 12/30/09 9:45am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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lowkey said: midnightmover said: Is that a serious question or just part of your ongoing attempts to get back at me for disrespecting Janet Wack-son? If it's a serious question then shame on you. what does this have to do with janet? im grown,what do i look like trying to 'get back' at somebody because they dont like a pop star? please grow up. you are a british gay man who dont like madonna, i find that strange. This post is divided into two parts. In the first part you are playing dumb. In the second part you are being genuinely dumb. FAKE DUMBNESS what does this have to do with janet? im grown,what do i look like trying to 'get back' at somebody because they dont like a pop star?
Please. You are always trying to get my attention with snide posts. You even do it on threads of mine which are devoted to artists you have no interest in. The root of this is my arguments with you on Janet threads two years ago. You've had a grudge against me ever since which you've not been shy about venting (you're doing it again right now). It's quite amusing. However, your fake innocence is highly annoying GENUINE DUMBNESS you are a british gay man who dont like madonna, i find that strange.
Need I point out the STUPID assumption you've made here? Where the hell are you getting this nonsense from? The voices in your head? [Edited 12/30/09 9:47am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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errant said: midnightmover said: Well, people brainwashed into joining cults always think their actions are perfectly sensible. It takes an outsider to recognise the creepiness of it. Why do they love Cyndi Lauper so much? That's pretty much her entire fanbase at this point. Because she's flamboyant and colourful and gays love all that. Take that away and they wouldn't even notice her. For instance, Dolly Parton and Cher both have that same flamboyance and gays love them both equally. But one of them (Cher) is a musical nonentity and the other (Dolly) is a super-talent. But gays worship them equally because of their drag-queen-like ways. The fact that one of them is a great talent is nothing more than blind chance. That's not what's winning over the gay audience. Just to clarify, I'm not saying that gays are more philistine-like than heteros. Far from it. Heteros are just as prone to philistinism. But what guides them to shit is different than what guides gays to shit. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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