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5 Worst Audio Trends of the Noughties

by Kevin Becka December 18th, 2009


The End of Hi-Fidelity – Digital distribution of music has lowered the fidelity bar to new levels offering consumers less quality than ever. George Massenburg recently spoke out on the effects of compression formats that introduce distortion, destroy stereo image and generally sound awful giving us something to think about and the knowledge to fight back.


Illegal Downloading – The popularity of illegal peer-to-peer music “sharing” eroded the power of copyright and greatly affected the bottom line of our industry. The Supreme Court came down on the side of copyright holders but not before the damage was done and an entire generation grew to feel they were entitled to free music.


Pitch Correction Abuse – Pitch correction software is nothing short of amazing, but in many cases it created a music culture where talent is optional and production is driven by “fix it later” instead of “get it right.”


The Death of Dynamics – While audio pros continue to fight the misconception that louder is better, it keeps rearing its ugly head, even in mainstream media where Metallica fans cried foul when they realized that Guitar Hero: Metallica game mixes sounded better than the record because the songs had more dynamic range.


Staying Inside The Box – There’s no question that digital audio workstations, modeling software and plugins are here to stay and have changed our industry. But completely eschewing analog processing and recording in favor of staying “inside the box” denies adding a flavor and color to music that can never be modeled. Case in point, The Dead Weather’s Horehound which was recorded on 2", 8-track analog tape and is a feast for the ears.


Mix Magazine: http://blog.mixonline.com...noughties/
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My quick takes on the above.

1. Many folks really don't care about fidelity. Their primary concern is how many mp3 files they can cram into their music players.

2. A large segment of the public has decided that music has no value so they've developed a sense of free entitlement to someone else's labor.

3. Many of today's "popular artists" do not have the ability to “get it right” period.
The easiest way to fix someone that can't sing in the first place is to auto-tune it.

4. The "Loudness Wars" (see answer #1)

5. Digital vs Analog (see answer #1)




Music for adventurous listeners

tA

peace Tribal Records
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Reply #1 posted 12/22/09 5:19pm

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Very sad. I finally got an mp3 player this year and only use it to make work at the office go by a little faster. I totally don't see the point of listening at home where I have all the originals on the shelf and can just play them instead.

I have that Dead Weather album. I'll have to listen to it more closely (NOT on the iPod).
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Reply #2 posted 12/22/09 5:42pm

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theAudience said:

by Kevin Becka December 18th, 2009


The End of Hi-Fidelity – Digital distribution of music has lowered the fidelity bar to new levels offering consumers less quality than ever. George Massenburg recently spoke out on the effects of compression formats that introduce distortion, destroy stereo image and generally sound awful giving us something to think about and the knowledge to fight back.


Illegal Downloading – The popularity of illegal peer-to-peer music “sharing” eroded the power of copyright and greatly affected the bottom line of our industry. The Supreme Court came down on the side of copyright holders but not before the damage was done and an entire generation grew to feel they were entitled to free music.


Pitch Correction Abuse – Pitch correction software is nothing short of amazing, but in many cases it created a music culture where talent is optional and production is driven by “fix it later” instead of “get it right.”


The Death of Dynamics – While audio pros continue to fight the misconception that louder is better, it keeps rearing its ugly head, even in mainstream media where Metallica fans cried foul when they realized that Guitar Hero: Metallica game mixes sounded better than the record because the songs had more dynamic range.


Staying Inside The Box – There’s no question that digital audio workstations, modeling software and plugins are here to stay and have changed our industry. But completely eschewing analog processing and recording in favor of staying “inside the box” denies adding a flavor and color to music that can never be modeled. Case in point, The Dead Weather’s Horehound which was recorded on 2", 8-track analog tape and is a feast for the ears.


Mix Magazine: http://blog.mixonline.com...noughties/
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My quick takes on the above.

1. Many folks really don't care about fidelity. Their primary concern is how many mp3 files they can cram into their music players.

2. A large segment of the public has decided that music has no value so they've developed a sense of free entitlement to someone else's labor.

3. Many of today's "popular artists" do not have the ability to “get it right” period.
The easiest way to fix someone that can't sing in the first place is to auto-tune it.

4. The "Loudness Wars" (see answer #1)

5. Digital vs Analog (see answer #1)




Music for adventurous listeners

tA

peace Tribal Records


EXACTLY especially on your number 2 listed. A majority of the consumer has no interest to who recorded it, who played on it, who wrote it, or what it came from, music has no value at the end of the day to, most, i'd say about 80% of the public maybe more.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #3 posted 12/22/09 5:55pm

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lastdecember said:

theAudience said:

by Kevin Becka December 18th, 2009


The End of Hi-Fidelity – Digital distribution of music has lowered the fidelity bar to new levels offering consumers less quality than ever. George Massenburg recently spoke out on the effects of compression formats that introduce distortion, destroy stereo image and generally sound awful giving us something to think about and the knowledge to fight back.


Illegal Downloading – The popularity of illegal peer-to-peer music “sharing” eroded the power of copyright and greatly affected the bottom line of our industry. The Supreme Court came down on the side of copyright holders but not before the damage was done and an entire generation grew to feel they were entitled to free music.


Pitch Correction Abuse – Pitch correction software is nothing short of amazing, but in many cases it created a music culture where talent is optional and production is driven by “fix it later” instead of “get it right.”


The Death of Dynamics – While audio pros continue to fight the misconception that louder is better, it keeps rearing its ugly head, even in mainstream media where Metallica fans cried foul when they realized that Guitar Hero: Metallica game mixes sounded better than the record because the songs had more dynamic range.


Staying Inside The Box – There’s no question that digital audio workstations, modeling software and plugins are here to stay and have changed our industry. But completely eschewing analog processing and recording in favor of staying “inside the box” denies adding a flavor and color to music that can never be modeled. Case in point, The Dead Weather’s Horehound which was recorded on 2", 8-track analog tape and is a feast for the ears.


Mix Magazine: http://blog.mixonline.com...noughties/
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My quick takes on the above.

1. Many folks really don't care about fidelity. Their primary concern is how many mp3 files they can cram into their music players.

2. A large segment of the public has decided that music has no value so they've developed a sense of free entitlement to someone else's labor.

3. Many of today's "popular artists" do not have the ability to “get it right” period.
The easiest way to fix someone that can't sing in the first place is to auto-tune it.

4. The "Loudness Wars" (see answer #1)

5. Digital vs Analog (see answer #1)




Music for adventurous listeners

tA

peace Tribal Records


EXACTLY especially on your number 2 listed. A majority of the consumer has no interest to who recorded it, who played on it, who wrote it, or what it came from, music has no value at the end of the day to, most, i'd say about 80% of the public maybe more.

Alot of the artists today are making it lack value sadly
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theAudience said:
5 Worst Audio Trends of the Noughties

by Kevin Becka December 18th, 2009


The End of Hi-Fidelity – Digital distribution of music has lowered the fidelity bar to new levels offering consumers less quality than ever. George Massenburg recently spoke out on the effects of compression formats that introduce distortion, destroy stereo image and generally sound awful giving us something to think about and the knowledge to fight back.


Illegal Downloading – The popularity of illegal peer-to-peer music “sharing” eroded the power of copyright and greatly affected the bottom line of our industry. The Supreme Court came down on the side of copyright holders but not before the damage was done and an entire generation grew to feel they were entitled to free music.


Pitch Correction Abuse – Pitch correction software is nothing short of amazing, but in many cases it created a music culture where talent is optional and production is driven by “fix it later” instead of “get it right.”


The Death of Dynamics – While audio pros continue to fight the misconception that louder is better, it keeps rearing its ugly head, even in mainstream media where Metallica fans cried foul when they realized that Guitar Hero: Metallica game mixes sounded better than the record because the songs had more dynamic range.


Staying Inside The Box – There’s no question that digital audio workstations, modeling software and plugins are here to stay and have changed our industry. But completely eschewing analog processing and recording in favor of staying “inside the box” denies adding a flavor and color to music that can never be modeled. Case in point, The Dead Weather’s Horehound which was recorded on 2", 8-track analog tape and is a feast for the ears.


Mix Magazine: http://blog.mixonline.com...noughties/
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

My quick takes on the above.

1. Many folks really don't care about fidelity. Their primary concern is how many mp3 files they can cram into their music players.

2. A large segment of the public has decided that music has no value so they've developed a sense of free entitlement to someone else's labor.

3. Many of today's "popular artists" do not have the ability to “get it right” period.
The easiest way to fix someone that can't sing in the first place is to auto-tune it.

4. The "Loudness Wars" (see answer #1)

5. Digital vs Analog (see answer #1)


You can actually trace the beginning of the end of hi-fidelity all the way back to the introduction of the Sony Walkman. It was that point that people chose convenience over sound quality, as they wanted their music to be portable and taken wherever they wanted to. The introduction of the CD temporarily put a stop to the loss of sound quality, but it hastened the demise of analog recording and mastering.

And as for downloading, I would argue that the people who download music think that they're entitled to free music; on the contrary, they feel that the record companies were vastly overcharging for music in the first place, and with the Gestapo tactics that the record companies took by suing their own customers, the act of downloading became justified civil disobedience.

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bleh. disregard that....
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728huey said:

theAudience said:
5 Worst Audio Trends of the Noughties

by Kevin Becka December 18th, 2009


The End of Hi-Fidelity – Digital distribution of music has lowered the fidelity bar to new levels offering consumers less quality than ever. George Massenburg recently spoke out on the effects of compression formats that introduce distortion, destroy stereo image and generally sound awful giving us something to think about and the knowledge to fight back.


Illegal Downloading – The popularity of illegal peer-to-peer music “sharing” eroded the power of copyright and greatly affected the bottom line of our industry. The Supreme Court came down on the side of copyright holders but not before the damage was done and an entire generation grew to feel they were entitled to free music.


Pitch Correction Abuse – Pitch correction software is nothing short of amazing, but in many cases it created a music culture where talent is optional and production is driven by “fix it later” instead of “get it right.”


The Death of Dynamics – While audio pros continue to fight the misconception that louder is better, it keeps rearing its ugly head, even in mainstream media where Metallica fans cried foul when they realized that Guitar Hero: Metallica game mixes sounded better than the record because the songs had more dynamic range.


Staying Inside The Box – There’s no question that digital audio workstations, modeling software and plugins are here to stay and have changed our industry. But completely eschewing analog processing and recording in favor of staying “inside the box” denies adding a flavor and color to music that can never be modeled. Case in point, The Dead Weather’s Horehound which was recorded on 2", 8-track analog tape and is a feast for the ears.


Mix Magazine: http://blog.mixonline.com...noughties/
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

My quick takes on the above.

1. Many folks really don't care about fidelity. Their primary concern is how many mp3 files they can cram into their music players.

2. A large segment of the public has decided that music has no value so they've developed a sense of free entitlement to someone else's labor.

3. Many of today's "popular artists" do not have the ability to “get it right” period.
The easiest way to fix someone that can't sing in the first place is to auto-tune it.

4. The "Loudness Wars" (see answer #1)

5. Digital vs Analog (see answer #1)


You can actually trace the beginning of the end of hi-fidelity all the way back to the introduction of the Sony Walkman. It was that point that people chose convenience over sound quality, as they wanted their music to be portable and taken wherever they wanted to. The introduction of the CD temporarily put a stop to the loss of sound quality, but it hastened the demise of analog recording and mastering.

And as for downloading, I would argue that the people who download music think that they're entitled to free music; on the contrary, they feel that the record companies were vastly overcharging for music in the first place, and with the Gestapo tactics that the record companies took by suing their own customers, the act of downloading became justified civil disobedience.

typing


I dont buy the downloading thing though, i think when it started people felt they deserved to pay nothing for it, at least a very large %, and that % is still about the same, 2% of people that own iPods have music from iTunes, and 85% have illegal downloads on them. The fact of the matter is that many things are expensive but somewhere people felt they had the right because of the net, to take it, or at least listen to most of it before buying. This is where it ended, i mean you cant go to a restaurant and eat half before you pay, you cant go see half the movie before paying, its life, its a risk, music is no different though people feel its their right to have it, for free most of the time, well it isnt. I mean i do indie films and theater shows, and i always have music within, and every single piece i have to go to the artist and ask/sign a deal with or pay for the right to use it, regardless of how its used or even the amount of the song played. I understand peoples issue with prices, but all u did was shoot yourself, because the labels have actually raised prices of CD's to retailers, which is leading to the end of all retail, with the exception of Walmart at this point, who is in the pocket of labels and vice versa, so all this MOVEMENT did was make them more powerful as usual.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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lastdecember said:

theAudience said:

by Kevin Becka December 18th, 2009


The End of Hi-Fidelity – Digital distribution of music has lowered the fidelity bar to new levels offering consumers less quality than ever. George Massenburg recently spoke out on the effects of compression formats that introduce distortion, destroy stereo image and generally sound awful giving us something to think about and the knowledge to fight back.


Illegal Downloading – The popularity of illegal peer-to-peer music “sharing” eroded the power of copyright and greatly affected the bottom line of our industry. The Supreme Court came down on the side of copyright holders but not before the damage was done and an entire generation grew to feel they were entitled to free music.


Pitch Correction Abuse – Pitch correction software is nothing short of amazing, but in many cases it created a music culture where talent is optional and production is driven by “fix it later” instead of “get it right.”


The Death of Dynamics – While audio pros continue to fight the misconception that louder is better, it keeps rearing its ugly head, even in mainstream media where Metallica fans cried foul when they realized that Guitar Hero: Metallica game mixes sounded better than the record because the songs had more dynamic range.


Staying Inside The Box – There’s no question that digital audio workstations, modeling software and plugins are here to stay and have changed our industry. But completely eschewing analog processing and recording in favor of staying “inside the box” denies adding a flavor and color to music that can never be modeled. Case in point, The Dead Weather’s Horehound which was recorded on 2", 8-track analog tape and is a feast for the ears.


Mix Magazine: http://blog.mixonline.com...noughties/
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

My quick takes on the above.

1. Many folks really don't care about fidelity. Their primary concern is how many mp3 files they can cram into their music players.

2. A large segment of the public has decided that music has no value so they've developed a sense of free entitlement to someone else's labor.

3. Many of today's "popular artists" do not have the ability to “get it right” period.
The easiest way to fix someone that can't sing in the first place is to auto-tune it.

4. The "Loudness Wars" (see answer #1)

5. Digital vs Analog (see answer #1)




Music for adventurous listeners

tA

peace Tribal Records


EXACTLY especially on your number 2 listed. A majority of the consumer has no interest to who recorded it, who played on it, who wrote it, or what it came from, music has no value at the end of the day to, most, i'd say about 80% of the public maybe more.

And i'm guessing the "majors" will continue their financial death wish, ignoring the fact that people with disposable incomes are laying it out to see primarily Classic Rock and Neo-Country acts.



Music for adventurous listeners

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Reply #8 posted 12/23/09 1:27pm

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Nooooo! By far the most evil of all evil trends is the continuation from the late 90s of the use of Auto-Tune as an effect! Make. It. Stop. shoot3
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True, true.

#1 not only the quality of the music, but the end of packaging. I loved buying vinyl with great artwork.

MP3's are convenient, but sometimes my computer actually changes the mix, somehow. The vocals might practically disappear on some stuff. I don't know why.

#2 Was just talking about this. DVD's have copy protection, but not cds? I have always taped friends records, burned cd's etc, but taping a copy of Nirvana's Nevermind in 1992 led to at least 2 purchases of the cd! I don't feel entitled. I know music costs a lot to produce. Why should I get it for free.

#3 barely registers because almost nobody I listen to seems to use it (though I could be wrong), other than Prince for an occasional cheesy effect.

#4 is why so many albums have this fizziness that runs all through them. It's hard to isolate individual instruments

#5 Jack White (Dead Weather) has always embraced old technology & classic sensibilities. I believe that despite his many great songs he has yet to produce a masterpiece of an album, but his style & attitude set him apart from so many of his "peers"
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sextonseven said:

Very sad. I finally got an mp3 player this year and only use it to make work at the office go by a little faster. I totally don't see the point of listening at home where I have all the originals on the shelf and can just play them instead.

I have that Dead Weather album. I'll have to listen to it more closely (NOT on the iPod).

What's the biggest difference, if any, in the listening experience (iPod vs stereo system)?


Music for adventurous listeners

tA

peace Tribal Records
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Reply #11 posted 12/23/09 2:43pm

Cinnie

this article is great..


..promotion for this band's album:

The Dead Weather’s Horehound which was recorded on 2", 8-track analog tape and is a feast for the ears.


oh RLY?
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Reply #12 posted 12/23/09 2:51pm

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728huey said:

theAudience said:
5 Worst Audio Trends of the Noughties

by Kevin Becka December 18th, 2009


The End of Hi-Fidelity – Digital distribution of music has lowered the fidelity bar to new levels offering consumers less quality than ever. George Massenburg recently spoke out on the effects of compression formats that introduce distortion, destroy stereo image and generally sound awful giving us something to think about and the knowledge to fight back.


Illegal Downloading – The popularity of illegal peer-to-peer music “sharing” eroded the power of copyright and greatly affected the bottom line of our industry. The Supreme Court came down on the side of copyright holders but not before the damage was done and an entire generation grew to feel they were entitled to free music.


Pitch Correction Abuse – Pitch correction software is nothing short of amazing, but in many cases it created a music culture where talent is optional and production is driven by “fix it later” instead of “get it right.”


The Death of Dynamics – While audio pros continue to fight the misconception that louder is better, it keeps rearing its ugly head, even in mainstream media where Metallica fans cried foul when they realized that Guitar Hero: Metallica game mixes sounded better than the record because the songs had more dynamic range.


Staying Inside The Box – There’s no question that digital audio workstations, modeling software and plugins are here to stay and have changed our industry. But completely eschewing analog processing and recording in favor of staying “inside the box” denies adding a flavor and color to music that can never be modeled. Case in point, The Dead Weather’s Horehound which was recorded on 2", 8-track analog tape and is a feast for the ears.


Mix Magazine: http://blog.mixonline.com...noughties/
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

My quick takes on the above.

1. Many folks really don't care about fidelity. Their primary concern is how many mp3 files they can cram into their music players.

2. A large segment of the public has decided that music has no value so they've developed a sense of free entitlement to someone else's labor.

3. Many of today's "popular artists" do not have the ability to “get it right” period.
The easiest way to fix someone that can't sing in the first place is to auto-tune it.

4. The "Loudness Wars" (see answer #1)

5. Digital vs Analog (see answer #1)


You can actually trace the beginning of the end of hi-fidelity all the way back to the introduction of the Sony Walkman. It was that point that people chose convenience over sound quality, as they wanted their music to be portable and taken wherever they wanted to. The introduction of the CD temporarily put a stop to the loss of sound quality, but it hastened the demise of analog recording and mastering.

And as for downloading, I would argue that the people who download music think that they're entitled to free music; on the contrary, they feel that the record companies were vastly overcharging for music in the first place, and with the Gestapo tactics that the record companies took by suing their own customers, the act of downloading became justified civil disobedience.

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Reply #13 posted 12/23/09 2:54pm

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theAudience said:

sextonseven said:

Very sad. I finally got an mp3 player this year and only use it to make work at the office go by a little faster. I totally don't see the point of listening at home where I have all the originals on the shelf and can just play them instead.

I have that Dead Weather album. I'll have to listen to it more closely (NOT on the iPod).

What's the biggest difference, if any, in the listening experience (iPod vs stereo system)?


Music for adventurous listeners

tA

peace Tribal Records


I think it's like looking at pictures on a computer vs. looking at actual prints.

The computer screen gets the point across but it's lacking the subtleties of the print.

Specifically I hate how my ipod (an old model) has preset eq settings, none of which are what I want.
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NDRU said:

Specifically I hate how my ipod (an old model) has preset eq settings, none of which are what I want.


This, is truly horrifying. I agree.
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NDRU said:

I think it's like looking at pictures on a computer vs. looking at actual prints.

The computer screen gets the point across but it's lacking the subtleties of the print.

Specifically I hate how my ipod (an old model) has preset eq settings, none of which are what I want.

I don't use an iPod, which is why I asked.

What I was trying to figure out is if there was a similar "super-stereo effect", a term that used to be applied to music when listening through headphones.


Music for adventurous listeners

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Reply #16 posted 12/23/09 3:36pm

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theAudience said:

NDRU said:

I think it's like looking at pictures on a computer vs. looking at actual prints.

The computer screen gets the point across but it's lacking the subtleties of the print.

Specifically I hate how my ipod (an old model) has preset eq settings, none of which are what I want.

I don't use an iPod, which is why I asked.

What I was trying to figure out is if there was a similar "super-stereo effect", a term that used to be applied to music when listening through headphones.


Music for adventurous listeners

tA

peace Tribal Records


yeah there is that same stereo effect, the music sounds pretty much the same as a cd through headphones, and if you use good headphones it can sound pretty good.

And of course you can hook the ipod up to your stereo.

It's just that the quality is not as good as a cd or lp--it's compressed, like a photo is broken into pixels. If it's lots of pixels the picture looks better. Same goes for an ipod, you can have better sounding mp3's if you use a better setting that uses more disc space.
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NDRU said:

#5 Jack White (Dead Weather) has always embraced old technology & classic sensibilities. I believe that despite his many great songs he has yet to produce a masterpiece of an album, but his style & attitude set him apart from so many of his "peers"

I'm a big Todd Rundgren fan but when I listened to Arena, although the songs were as cool as usual, there was something about the sound of the album that was a bit "disturbing" to me.

Then I discovered he had recorded the entire album "in the box".


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Reply #18 posted 12/23/09 6:52pm

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My quick takes on the above.
1. Many folks really don't care about fidelity. Their primary concern is how many mp3 files they can cram into their music players.

>>Yeah this is true. Convenience over quality. I found an old electronic mag from the 90's advertising all the newest audio gear including a piece that tried to make listening to vinyl better by not using a needle but instead using a laser. Imagine that, trying to stretch vinyl as far as it could go and all the other gear aimed at getting the best fidelity. Next stop, mp3s. There used to be a majority push in the industry not too long ago that was all about getting the best sound out of the technology we had. I guess as long as they offer me the un-compressed audio as the main physical delievery format, I couldn't care less what everybody else listens to.

2. A large segment of the public has decided that music has no value so they've developed a sense of free entitlement to someone else's labor.

>>Truth be told, I initally fell victim to this in the sense I would download for free. In the late 90's there was a bunch of out of print stuff I couldn't find, but doing a search led me to people that had old vinyl collections of things that were suddenly available. If you don't catch yourself early, it WILL become an addiction and you could find yourself trying to justify it. I never felt entitled to the tracks but the new-ness of it and the ability to hear things from the past that I couldn't purchase anywhere else got the better of me. Now that most of the music is available to buy legally, I do just that. Bad part is, the younger generation and some in the older gen will transfer that entitlement line of thinking to everything electronic or non-tangible. The genie is out the bottle. I dont know how they can stop it unless they come up with a way to encode each file with some sort of fingerprint that can only be played on your hardware and not on anyone else's.

3. Many of today's "popular artists" do not have the ability to “get it right” period.
The easiest way to fix someone that can't sing in the first place is to auto-tune it.

Everyone wants the perfect performance. Nowadays it's auto-tune to fix all the jacked vocals. In the 80's started MIDI to get the perfect musical performance. If you listen to records from back in the day, they relied on their natural talent and if you f'd up it might get left on the record. A bunch of James Brown records have mistakes in them. Minor enough to add flavor but not major enough to do over. Thats another reason they sound great. Even broadcasts of artists performing live nowadays have all these 'safety nets' in place so the artists don't need to worry about flubbing musically so the audience gets the 'best' experience. F*** that, I want to hear the mistakes.
We have a generation of cheaters. We want the cheat code for everything. Hard work means nothing anymore.


4. The "Loudness Wars" (see answer #1)

5. Digital vs Analog (see answer #1)

Just like the Synclaviers and Fairlights of the past, we've got ways to keep it all contained still. Not necessarily a bad thing if its used sparingly. Remember the days of AAD on the back of a CD, now its all DDD.
It's so easy to cut and paste now. Need chorus on the vocal? Don't have the artist overdub, no, add the chorus effect. Want to repeat the chorus later in the song? Sing it again? Are you f'ing crazy? Paste it. I hate to say it but, when my man Stevie started moving to the digital world, those recordings started getting sterile.




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Reply #19 posted 12/24/09 8:48am

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sextonseven said:

Very sad. I finally got an mp3 player this year and only use it to make work at the office go by a little faster. I totally don't see the point of listening at home where I have all the originals on the shelf and can just play them instead.

I have that Dead Weather album. I'll have to listen to it more closely (NOT on the iPod).

What's the biggest difference, if any, in the listening experience (iPod vs stereo system)?


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NDRU pretty much said it all. The default bit rate for iTunes used to be a low 128 kbps. The latest version has now raised the bit rate to 256, but if your ears aren't burned out from too much abuse (like loud concerts) then you can still tell the difference between those files and the original discs. When you rip your own CDs, you can change the iTunes setting to lossless (like how I did for that rare Are You Experienced CD that I accidentally sold mad) but lossless files take up too much space on your hard drive--which perhaps makes me guilty of your quick take #1. boxed
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Reply #20 posted 12/24/09 9:39am

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All trends come to an end. Eventually people will get sick & tired of manufactured slutty miming girl groups & african american auto-tuned hip hoppers & a kind of 60s revolution will happen again. (or at least I hope so).

All is not lost though, there's many many talented artists out there if you're willing to search. Many people making music outside the box a-la Zappa. I myself just recorded a composition that takes you from funk to blues to a basbeball theme bridge to a heavy metal guitar solo to a classical piece to reggae to flamenco an finally to oriental - all in 3 & a half minutes, the same legnth as most pop songs! Although nobody's idea of a head bopper it's still an alternative to what you're exposed to through the media.
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Reply #21 posted 12/24/09 9:47am

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1. Agreed.

2. Its evolution. Like it or not. The mistake was on record companies fighting the technology instead of embracing it. If they had jumped on the marketing from the beginning, the "trend" could have been averted or at least lessened. Its the industry's fault. As usual, they want to blame the public instead of owning up to their own mistakes.

3. Its a sound trend. Just like swing beats in R&B and guitar detunings in Grunge were in the 90s, the 00s had auto-tune. It'll fade. Its already saturated. Yes, its made music worse. (I hate it too) but it will fade as do most sonic trends. Remember the gated drums on every song in the 80s? Sonic trend.

4. Oh hell yes! The other ugly trend, the do-it-yourself-producer, has helped this along. Since so much chart/top 40 music is being made by individuals with less actual musical knowledge, there are a lot of subtleties being lost in the pop realm and that trickles across the board to other genres. Part of the professionalism lies in the subtleties. The do-it-yourselfer armed with an MPC 3000, a huge sample library and a digital audio workstation who doesn't actually play any instruments doesn't know or care about dynamics. This trend of loud over good actually started on the pop charts during the rap is king era when everybody wanted everything "booming" in their system. Masterers all over the country simultaneously went nuts! Unfortunately, they had to comply in order to keep making money. Too many assholes who downloaded a set of high end plug-ins that they don't even know how to use have threatened the mastering business almost into being a joke of itself.

5. Analog records always have and always will have a superior sound to them.
Digital is the direction that the industry has chosen, and with good reason, because its so much more cost-effective, consumer friendly, space-saving, etc, etc, etc. Still, that does not make it better.
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Reply #22 posted 12/24/09 10:23am

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sextonseven said:

theAudience said:


What's the biggest difference, if any, in the listening experience (iPod vs stereo system)?


Music for adventurous listeners

tA

peace Tribal Records


NDRU pretty much said it all. The default bit rate for iTunes used to be a low 128 kbps. The latest version has now raised the bit rate to 256, but if your ears aren't burned out from too much abuse (like loud concerts) then you can still tell the difference between those files and the original discs. When you rip your own CDs, you can change the iTunes setting to lossless (like how I did for that rare Are You Experienced CD that I accidentally sold mad) but lossless files take up too much space on your hard drive--which perhaps makes me guilty of your quick take #1. boxed


Right, And it's a similar difference between cds, tapes, lps, 8 tracks, etc. It basically sounds the same, but each format has it's own special quality (for better or worse)
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