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Printablekrayzie said: Cinnamon234 said: What do you guys think? Is music today that bad?
Because I sometimes wonder if perhaps some ,including myself, are exaggerating about the state of music today. Most new artists on this site are given a very hard time. I think maybe some are stuck in the past and don't want to give most of the new artists a chance. I'll admit I sometimes do this as well. True, there is a lot of crap out there and many of these artists aren't doing anything new or innovative, but I think sometimes some are being too hard on them. It's unfair to constantly comapare music today to that of the past. All music today isn't bad. I think there are some good artists and quality music out there today, you just have to take the time to search for it because you're not gonna find the majority of it on mainstream radio. Music nowdays sucks big time. Nothing creative or exciting... Even Prince sucks now... 
Anyway, I think we have seen the biggest drop in terms of quality this past decade, something we have never seen before... I mean really... 
I worked in the music industry and everybody said it. IMO the problem is labels don't have money to polish new artists anymore, and talent is definitely lacking... I don't have a problem with people being too hard on them... People on Prince.org are overwhelmingly white, around between 30 and 40, grew up in the 80's. So they are logically stuck in the past... How does race factor into being stuck in the past? | |
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sextonseven said: krayzie said: People on Prince.org are overwhelmingly white, around between 30 and 40, grew up in the 80's. So they are logically stuck in the past...
How does race factor into being stuck in the past? Right? That's the dumbest fucking statement I've heard on here since.....well, probably since 24 hours ago or something. As if white 30 or 40 somethings are, by default, stuck in the past? And what does "stuck in the past" mean? Does ANYONE who listens to old music get "stuck in the past"? As far as I remember, time travel is impossible and relegated only to science fiction, or soap operas. | |
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ernestsewell said:
Right? That's the dumbest fucking statement I've heard on here Look who wrote it. 
. . . [Edited 12/24/09 11:45am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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I have a feeling the next decade will be better for music. People are getting sick & tired of the manufactured shit (evidentally shown in this thread). Female singers have always been a public favourite so there will be many of them sure, but how far can rap go? Especially since there are a lot of people who like rap music having kids in their early teens these days & what kid wants to listen to the same music as their parents? None. Rap is on the way out, manufactored pop sluts will take a serious decrease in popularity. people will refuse to buy into the major label's "corperate schemes" & real bands playing real instruments on indipendant labels will explode in the next decade. Well that's my prediction (& dream)....  | |
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krayzie said: Cinnamon234 said: What do you guys think? Is music today that bad?
Because I sometimes wonder if perhaps some ,including myself, are exaggerating about the state of music today. Most new artists on this site are given a very hard time. I think maybe some are stuck in the past and don't want to give most of the new artists a chance. I'll admit I sometimes do this as well. True, there is a lot of crap out there and many of these artists aren't doing anything new or innovative, but I think sometimes some are being too hard on them. It's unfair to constantly comapare music today to that of the past. All music today isn't bad. I think there are some good artists and quality music out there today, you just have to take the time to search for it because you're not gonna find the majority of it on mainstream radio. Music nowdays sucks big time. Nothing creative or exciting... Even Prince sucks now...
Anyway, I think we have seen the biggest drop in terms of quality this past decade, something we have never seen before... I mean really...
I worked in the music industry and everybody said it. IMO the problem is labels don't have money to polish new artists anymore, and talent is definitely lacking... I don't have a problem with people being too hard on them... People on Prince.org are overwhelmingly white, around between 30 and 40, grew up in the 80's. So they are logically stuck in the past... Why overwhelmingly white? Doesn't prince appeal on the afro-americans? | |
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bboy87 said: Mainstream music is
Underground/indie music, in my opinion, is thriving Ben Westbeech Colin Munroe J*Davey Chester French The Cool Kids Hudson Mohawke Charles Hamilton J. Rawls Janelle Monae Carlitta Durand The Foreign Exchange U-N-I Now On Windimoto Zo! I really have faith in the "internet/blogosphere artists" 
They don't have major labels dragon breathing on their necks. Again,,,,  @ Sa-Ra.[Edited 12/24/09 14:42pm] | |
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what that said Pop music is pretty terrible these days, but the underground is as strong as it's ever been. Anyone saying there's no good music just isn't looking hard enough. [Edited 12/24/09 14:56pm] | |
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Vendetta1 said: I also hate how much "artists" have gotten away from using real instruments. We've accepted mediocrity as a society and that's really unfortunate. yes if people didnt watch music vids or had no idea what the hell these artists looked like, i wonder if wed be *listening* to half the crap we listen to. ive found decent music on my own but none of it has much longevity. when will we ever have the next michael jackson, the beatles, etc? | |
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MyNameIsCally said: I have a feeling the next decade will be better for music. People are getting sick & tired of the manufactured shit (evidentally shown in this thread). Female singers have always been a public favourite so there will be many of them sure, but how far can rap go? Especially since there are a lot of people who like rap music having kids in their early teens these days & what kid wants to listen to the same music as their parents? None.
Rap is on the way out, manufactored pop sluts will take a serious decrease in popularity. people will refuse to buy into the major label's "corperate schemes" & real bands playing real instruments on indipendant labels will explode in the next decade. Well that's my prediction (& dream).... Well that's knd of true. I kind of see the public rebelling already. I mean look at the recent phenomenal success of Susan Boyle. Not that her music isn't manufactured as well, but it is something different from the rap and pop music that dominates the airwaves these days and she's a different kind of artist image and music wise. As far as the past goes, I grew up in the 90's really so I really don't know how it was years before, but i'm thinking there had to be a lot of crap on radio in all decades. It's just that the good outweighed the bad. Now, it seems as though the majority of mainstream is pretty awful. But like others have said in here, there is a lot of good music, you just have to go out of your way a bit to look for it. "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
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krayzie said: People on Prince.org are overwhelmingly white, around between 30 and 40, grew up in the 80's. So they are logically stuck in the past... I'm black, mid-30s, a musician who also has covered music. I buy music on a regular basis, and perform it even more regularly. So... please, explain... | |
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us old white fogies, someone hand me my walker
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sextonseven said: krayzie said: Music nowdays sucks big time. Nothing creative or exciting... Even Prince sucks now...
Anyway, I think we have seen the biggest drop in terms of quality this past decade, something we have never seen before... I mean really...
I worked in the music industry and everybody said it. IMO the problem is labels don't have money to polish new artists anymore, and talent is definitely lacking... I don't have a problem with people being too hard on them... People on Prince.org are overwhelmingly white, around between 30 and 40, grew up in the 80's. So they are logically stuck in the past... How does race factor into being stuck in the past? Oh Nothing, it's just a fact, people on this board are stuck in the past. And that's a fact that people on Prince.org are overwhelmingly white, around between 30 and 40, and grew up in the 80's... I don't see where's the problem... |
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ernestsewell said: sextonseven said: How does race factor into being stuck in the past? Right? That's the dumbest fucking statement I've heard on here since.....well, probably since 24 hours ago or something. As if white 30 or 40 somethings are, by default, stuck in the past? And what does "stuck in the past" mean? Does ANYONE who listens to old music get "stuck in the past"? As far as I remember, time travel is impossible and relegated only to science fiction, or soap operas. I've never said that "white 30 or 40 somethings were, by default, stuck in the past". And why do you try to turn my statement into a race thing ?
What I mean is people over there only seem to enjoy music of the past... It's not difficult to understand ? Right ? |
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jiorjios said: krayzie said: Music nowdays sucks big time. Nothing creative or exciting... Even Prince sucks now...
Anyway, I think we have seen the biggest drop in terms of quality this past decade, something we have never seen before... I mean really...
I worked in the music industry and everybody said it. IMO the problem is labels don't have money to polish new artists anymore, and talent is definitely lacking... I don't have a problem with people being too hard on them... People on Prince.org are overwhelmingly white, around between 30 and 40, grew up in the 80's. So they are logically stuck in the past... Why overwhelmingly white? Doesn't prince appeal on the afro-americans? Well I've been an orger for many years, and that's IMO a matter of fact that people are MOSTLY white... There's nothing wrong with that... Prince does have african-americans fans (please no "afro-americans"). But his fanbase is much larger than that... |
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krayzie said: sextonseven said: How does race factor into being stuck in the past? Oh Nothing, it's just a fact, people on this board are stuck in the past. And that's a fact that people on Prince.org are overwhelmingly white, around between 30 and 40, and grew up in the 80's... I don't see where's the problem... the problem comes into play when folks make random references to race. Change "white" to "black" in your statement, and folks would be (whether right or wrong) in a huff about racist statements. That's why I asked you to explain why you referenced it, because race and the ability to appreciate musical eras seem unrelated. | |
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ThreadBare said: krayzie said: Oh Nothing, it's just a fact, people on this board are stuck in the past. And that's a fact that people on Prince.org are overwhelmingly white, around between 30 and 40, and grew up in the 80's... I don't see where's the problem... the problem comes into play when folks make random references to race. Change "white" to "black" in your statement, and folks would be (whether right or wrong) in a huff about racist statements. That's why I asked you to explain why you referenced it, because race and the ability to appreciate musical eras seem unrelated. I made a reference to race because this is a fact... Or maybe should I have to lie or pretend that Prince.org is not overwhelmingly white ???
You try to make a big deal out of nothing... If I said Mediatakeout is overwhelmingly black (which is a fact), I don't think people would get mad at me... Anyway... [Edited 12/24/09 17:05pm] |
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but you didnt just say its mostly white people, you attached it with
race + age = So they are logically stuck in the past age makes sense to be stuck in the past, but white? come on | |
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krayzie said: ThreadBare said: the problem comes into play when folks make random references to race. Change "white" to "black" in your statement, and folks would be (whether right or wrong) in a huff about racist statements. That's why I asked you to explain why you referenced it, because race and the ability to appreciate musical eras seem unrelated. I made a reference to race because this is a fact... Or maybe should I have to lie or pretend that Prince.org is not overwhelmingly white ???
You try to make a big deal out of nothing... If I said Mediatakeout is overwhelmingly black (which is a fact), I don't think people would get mad at me... Anyway...
that's not an accurate comparison. But if you said Mediatakeout.com is overwhelmingly black and predominated by people in their 40s who don't even have their GED, it would be closer to what you said about folks here. I mean, to be accurate and whatnot.
I'm not trying to make a big deal about your statement. I'm just telling you why the randomness of the racial aspect struck us. Please be my Org friend.  Merry Christmas. | |
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krayzie said: jiorjios said: Why overwhelmingly white? Doesn't prince appeal on the afro-americans? Well I've been an orger for many years, and that's IMO a matter of fact that people are MOSTLY white... There's nothing wrong with that... Prince does have african-americans fans (please no "afro-americans"). But his fanbase is much larger than that... Sorry if afro-american is offensive (I wasn't aware it is) | |
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krayzie said: sextonseven said: How does race factor into being stuck in the past? Oh Nothing, it's just a fact, people on this board are stuck in the past. And that's a fact that people on Prince.org are overwhelmingly white, around between 30 and 40, and grew up in the 80's... I don't see where's the problem... I don't understand the trying to insult people to make a point thing. | |
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YES AND NO.
Most of what is being pushed to the masses through mainstream media outlets is pretty bad. But there are some great indie acts out there. And Lady Gaga is going to save pop music, and human sexuality. | |
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People that think there's no good music now aren't looking hard enough for it.
The problem is the delivery system. The reason people think there is no good music now is because they are waiting on their radio to play it. Not gonna happen. Radio has changed drastically and even a decade ago on this very site I was preaching this same sermon to the members, making the point that the radio listeners' music taste was being manipulated and low and behold...here we are. The fact is that now, if you want good music you have to go find it. If you're too lazy, don't have time, won't make time, etc. then you can expect to not have it. There are hundreds of thousands of blogspots that post artists specific to any and every genre that could possibly interest you. You have to find THEM. Anyone who thinks the music's not there hasn't been looking. Plain and simple.Solution: log off Prince.org whining about it and google search for it instead. Seek and you shall find. [Edited 12/25/09 19:19pm] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: People that think there's no good music now aren't looking hard enough for it.
Your opinion. I have been looking.The problem is the delivery system. The reason people think there is no good music now is because they are waiting on their radio to play it. Not gonna happen. Radio has changed drastically and even a decade ago on this very site I was preaching this same sermon to the members, making the point that the radio listeners' music taste was being manipulated and low and behold...here we are. The fact is that now, if you want good music you have to go find it. If you're too lazy, don't have time, won't make time, etc. then you can expect to not have it. There are hundreds of thousands of blogspots that post artists specific to any and every genre that could possibly interest you. You have to find THEM. Anyone who thinks the music's not there hasn't been looking. Plain and simple. | |
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Vendetta1 said: [/b][/color] Your opinion. I have been looking.[/quote]
Maybe not hard enough? Maybe not in the right places? What do yo like? | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Vendetta1 said: [/b][/color] Your opinion. I have been looking.Maybe not hard enough? Maybe not in the right places? What do yo like?[/quote]I listen to all genres with the exception of country. Maybe I am not looking in the right places but I am looking hard. | |
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I'm starting not to like when people tell me that Good Music is out there, I just have to look for it.
You shouldn't have to look and search for Good Music. It should be on the radio like it was 20 years ago. But that's the fault of the corporations. JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Paris9748430 said: I'm starting not to like when people tell me that Good Music is out there, I just have to look for it.
You shouldn't have to look and search for Good Music. It should be on the radio like it was 20 years ago. But that's the fault of the corporations. Its partially the fault of the consumer as well. We are very fickle and we also will support b.s. when we should boycott it and the labels selling it. Instead, people let corporations trick them into believing that there's nothing else out there other than what they offer, then they use agressive marketing techniques to force what they want on the listeners. Unfortunately, things have chaned and as much as I'd like them to go back as well as many others, we have to face the fact that these corporations have become more self-serving than ever and will not give in to the requests of the public. Search the blogs. There are many, many music blogspots. Check the music message boards that cater to the music you like. Word of mouth can be your best asset to finding the music you like. | |
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ThreadBare said: krayzie said: I made a reference to race because this is a fact... Or maybe should I have to lie or pretend that Prince.org is not overwhelmingly white ???
You try to make a big deal out of nothing... If I said Mediatakeout is overwhelmingly black (which is a fact), I don't think people would get mad at me... Anyway...
that's not an accurate comparison. But if you said Mediatakeout.com is overwhelmingly black and predominated by people in their 40s who don't even have their GED, it would be closer to what you said about folks here. I mean, to be accurate and whatnot.
I'm not trying to make a big deal about your statement. I'm just telling you why the randomness of the racial aspect struck us. Please be my Org friend. Merry Christmas. That's not accurate at all... What you just said is clearly derogatory and negative. First of all there was nothing mean in what I said. You just wrongly interpreted my statement as if I was trying to say something negative. It wasn't. Plus it was the thread starter who talked about folks on Prince.org being stuck in the past. Not me. There was no randomness of racial aspect whatsover. But I can't deny that the way people overreacted over my post just gives even more reasons to what I was saying... |
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