That girl is practically an adult anyway

The court order, which is valid until February, grants Cobain's mother and sister no control over a trust established by the Nirvana frontman for his daughter.

This is sad.

dag said:

Yes is... I feel sorry for children who's parents or parent can't properly care for them, these kids suffer and effects can be long term.


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Courtney is not a rotten mother.

I mean she might not win "mother of the year" any time soon, but she's no worse than many mothers out there, she just happens to be famous (which brings along a whole different set of problems).

I saw a documentary where some guys from Channel 4 in the UK spent a couple of months with Courtney, and at that time it seemed like Frances and her had a great relationship.

Harlepolis, how could you be sympathetic toward a rotten mother like Courtney?

TD3, you know how much I love and respect you, but we have to disagree. She was using drugs while pregnant. I have also heard a lot of insider stuff on Courtney and her parenting as well. She is not Mommie Dearest, but neglect and treating your kid like an adult in the worst possible way is not being a good parent.

Again, TD3, you have my respect and friendship always, but I have to disagree with you on Courtney.

Francis Bean Cobain chooses to live with her grandmother, causing mom Courtney Love to lose custody
By Cristina Everett
Daily News Staff Writer
Tuesday, December 15th 2009, 12:07 PM

Courtney Love lost legal control over her daughter –- but not for the reasons most people are thinking.

"Courtney's been clean for years and is perfectly fine," the singer's attorney Keith Fink told People.com. "This is simply about Frances preferring to live with her grandmother at this time."

According to documents filed Friday in Los Angeles Superior Court, a judge appointed Wendy O'Connor -- the mother of Frances Bean's late father, Kurt Cobain -- and her daughter, Kimberly Cobain, as temporary legal guardians to care for the minor.

The new guardians have authority over Frances personally, as well as her financial well-being. However, they do not have control over the trust established after her famous father's death.

"Frances is 17 and a strong-willed child, and this is a decision she made on her own," Fink added. "No matter what, Courtney loves her daughter more than anything in the world."

It isn't the first time Love has lost custody of her daughter.

In 2003, Los Angeles County officials temporarily placed Frances under the care of O'Connor after Love's arrest for attempting to break into an ex-boyfriend's home, overdosing on painkillers and making a suicide threat.

Love regained custody in January 2005 after proving to the court that she had turned her life around.

Although Frances has lived with her mother for the past few years, she credits O'Connor, who lives in Olympia, Wash., with keeping her life stable.

"We've moved so much, and my life has been so inconsistent," Frances told Harper's Bazaar last year. "[She's] the most constant thing I've ever had. I'm really lucky because I've been able to go places and meet people you can only dream of, but she's probably the person I respect most out of anybody in the world."

A hearing on the custody matter is set for Feb. 10.

http://www.nydailynews.co...z0Zn7PdESg

scriptgirl said:

Hey script this is me.... I never disrespectively take exception with anyone who share and/or takes a different view on any subject. I welcome different points of view... have learned something. Nor do we have to agree on everything either.

My take, not having a clue of the circumstances of why the court granted Ms.Cox's mother and sister temporary guardianship: I'm going to assume it has something to do with past issues of drug/substance abuse. They're is a big difference between physical/psychology abuse and neglect. They're differences of opinion on parenting skills and what you or I believe to be proper or correct. Simply using drugs is neglect, you can't be a responsible parent and be high.

Ms. Cox is will be a drug addict for the rest of her life, her struggle appears to be she can't stay clean/sober. Irrespective of what people believe the threat of taking away children, prison, nor guilt trips by others or by the user has ever stirred anyone to sobriety, it's a complex and frightful hard proposition. If I understood what Harle was saying, Ms. Cox loves her daughter and she knows she's failed her daughter in a lot of ways. I'm sure she feels guilt for everytime she promised her daughter/her family this time, I'll stay clean. I'm sure her daugher fears for her mother life and well being and for own life if something were to happen to mom. It's a complex situtaion and such matters in my experience aren't either or but a lot different shades of grey.

TD3 said:

TD3, do you mean Ms. Love instead of Ms. Cox?

JackieBlue said:

Thanks Jackie. I reading something else and typing and someone name transferred into my org posting. You know you could have changed if for me.

Script... girl you suppose to have my back. You know me and iTouch have a tortuous relationship.
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TD3 said:

Sad but true.

It doesn't matter that the girl is almost grown up, the fact that she can't be with her mother because of inadequacy from the mother's part is enough for many future therapy sessions,,,,for both of them.

There'll be ALOT of guilt in there Speaking as a mother myself, my heart goes out to Courtney.

Courtney Love slams 'deceptive' daughter Frances Bean Cobain on Facebook after losing custody
By Cristina Everett
Daily News Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 16th 2009, 11:18 AM

Courtney Love isn't winning any mother-of-the-year awards anytime soon.

Just days after losing legal custody of her 17-year-old daughter, Frances Bean Cobain, Love has lashed out in a series of angry, yet incoherent posts on her Facebook page about the court order, as well against her own daughter.

"I hate to spund cold but any kid of mine who pulls this s--- has lost her position," Love wrote. "she was deceptive she lied and shes lying to herself … my daihgter is not always honest."

On Friday, a Los Angeles Superior Court judge placed Frances under the temporary guardianship of her grandmother -- Wendy O'Connor, the mother of Frances' late father, Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain -- and Cobain's sister, Kimberly Cobain.

Although the ruling raised speculation that Love had had a drug relapse, the rocker's lawyer insists his client has "been clean for years" and that it was Frances' decision to live with her grandmother –- a choice that clearly has irked Love.

"Well the good news is now that frances is clearly deluded that she can buy her grandmaother a small house in la," Love, 45, wrote in her online rant. "id love to see how that works."

Love, who also temporarily lost custody of Frances in 2003, also gave insight into her troubled financial situation, saying her "deluded" daughter isn't as rich as she thinks she is.

"She thinks she has all this money," she wrote. "the point is i have all the money she has."

In 2006, Love sold 25% of her share of Nirvana's publishing rights for more than $50 million, MTV reported. And last year, she accused members of her management team of embezzling millions from Frances' trust fund set up by her late father.

Despite attacking her daughter during her rant, Love bizarrely said, "dont worry frances is a wonderful kid shes gotbadd people around her and wants it both ways."

"you couldve asked for emanicaption … you realie this will put you in juvenoile fami;y circus three times in your little life?" she added. "i love you and always will unconditionally."

http://www.nydailynews.co...z0ZsDp7UOs