midiscover said:

I can't wait to see Genesis perform. Peter and Phil onstage together would be fun, but who knows if they'll divide up between different versions of the group for any particular performance.

midiscover said:

UM, that's kinda what the definition of what Iconic is. At least when it comes to the music business.

Iconic albums are albums that are big sellers. Like Control, like Thriller.

Every now and then, you get an Iconic album that's Iconic because of musical innovation.

None of those 1st 2 albums are any of those examples. They're not big sellers, and their not musically innovative.

ernestsewell said:

how long has it been since all of Genesis was together?

Rock Hall to Induct Geffen: We Told You 4 Months Ago
By: Roger Friedman // Tuesday December 15, 2009

I told you on August 14th that David Geffen would be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

It was announced officially today.

Also: the Hollies, Genesis, Iggy Pop and the Stooges, Jimmy Cliff and ABBA.

Because the prospect of this show on March 15th is so dreadful, and because the Hall of Fame has embarrassingly passed over the Brill Building era until now, the Foundation is also inducting a gang of songwriters the same night: the recently deceased Ellie Greenwich and Jeff Barry; Barry Mann and Cynthia Weil; Jesse Stone, Mort Shuman and Otis Blackwell.

Jann Wenner waited 25 years to induct these writers — all of whom are already in the much more respected Songwriters Hall of Fame. He can do it now because Phil Spector’s in jail for life and can’t complain that he actually wrote “You Lost That Lovin’ Feeling.” He didn’t.

By putting in the writers, and Geffen, there’s at least the hope of a decent show at the Waldorf. Otherwise, the night would have consisted of “Waterloo,” “Follow You Follow Me,” “Bus Stop,” and “The Harder They Come.” Oh yes, the latter is reggae, but what the heck: the Hall of Fame has nothing to do with rock and roll.

Meantime, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Museum is shutting down its New York annex on January 6th after a year of operation. What happened? The Foundation has $14 million in the bank. They just threw an extravagant week of parties and concerts at Madison Square Garden, took in millions at the Garden boxoffice, got paid more by HBO, and laid out even more so that all the performers had their expenses paid at the posh London Hotel on West 54th St.

Yet, their one mission — to operate museums — can’t be fulfilled properly in New York.

Mamma mia!

http://showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/

ehuffnsd said:

It's been recent that the power trio. They had some overseas concert showing on Palladia within the last year. Great light show, but I knew few of the songs, from before 1983 or so. I remember Phil talking about retiring after that, and I would imagine his surgery was soon after that tour.

midiscover said:

Some people say things just to garner attention. Poor thing.

midiscover said:

U probably weren't even born when those albums came out.

Iggy/Stooges.....'bout time!

daPrettyman said:

don't feed the

first Madonna now ABBA. Maybe Prince should send his award back? At some point they forgot it is called the ROCK AND ROLL hall of fame. Not the over produced marketing campaign run a-muck hall of fame.

ehuffnsd said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Prince is rock n roll?

sosgemini said:

he certainly is.

sosgemini said:

Go look at track 7 on Chaos and Disorder. That'll answer it for ya.

Oh, and the B-side of "Gold".



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ehuffnsd said:

You?

Someone speaking of Janet when you don't even like her lol!

Didn't Agnetha from ABBA go a bit bonkers and ended-up marrying a man who had been stalking her for years?

I also seem to recall that she claims to have forgotten how to speak English.

Mad as toast.

sosgemini said:

On so many different levels.

midiscover said:

I know that's not directed at me. I think J will make it eventually. I just think the committee wants to induct other people that they feel have influenced the overall rock culture and music overall.

The Rock N Roll Hall of Fame is as big of a joke as the Grammy's. I thought for sure the Red Hot Chili Peppers would get in. Abba? Come on now. Donna Summer should have gotten in before them.

grethomory said:

I mean we debate the HALL's thinking all the time, QUEEN took 3 tries to get in and John Mellencamp took 4, and yet Percy Sledge went in first try?? Not hating on Percy but there about 100 other acts i would have put in even before his name came up, CHICAGO,HALL&Oates and Heart would be 3.

grethomory said:

Weird call on that one.

Abba was formed in 1970, but their first album wasn't until 1973. If they count from the first album, then last year they were eligible to be included.

Donna Summer, who has released more original albums (17 studio albums), had her first album in 1974. If the first record theory is true, then she was just becoming eligible this year.

I think though, that there is a lot of knocking of "disco" acts being in the RNRHOF, but it really is about the people who changed music, not the genre or classification of the type of music.

ernestsewell said:

Well it took alot to get them to get the Bee Gees, who really arent a disco group, but just got lumped into it because of SNF, but to ignore the rest of their career was a crime. While on the subject why isnt Neil Diamond in there, i mean im no big fan, but i like alot he has done, and he's written shit for people in the hall, I mean if THE DREAM can bitch about not getting nominated for his shitty songs, then Neil should be pissed for his classics.

lastdecember said:

LOL @ The Dream thing.

I wish Neil was in there. He's written more songs for folks that people realize. I hope Dan Hartman is eligible soon. He certainly deserves it.

Glad that Abba and Jimmy Cliff are being inducted

ernestsewell said:

My point is, Prince defies genres just like pretty much anyone and everyone since the late 60's. It's silly that people complain about certain acts who get in when it's quit apparent that Rock N Roll (the way the hall of fame is using it) means popular music.

sosgemini said:

but at least Prince has ROCKED. Even got props from the likes of Robbert Plant

OnlyNDaUsa said:

:brickwall:

So? If the organization is trying to embrace all pop music...so what.

sosgemini said:

Then call it is pop music hall of fame. But I guess it is hardly worth getting upset over. But I stand by my statement that ABBA is not a rock and roll group.

So only bands with guitar-driven music should be allowed? I guess there aren't 5 of them each year that made enough impact.

I do wonder why they chose ABBA over Donna Summer though, this being an American hall of fame and all, ABBA were never massive in the US.