Timmy84 said:

He has back pain, and arm pain from it. He said it's torture to even try to play.

"In September 2009, Collins publicly declared that he can no longer play drums, due to a recent operation to repair dislocated vertebrae in his neck, that has left him unable to hold his drumsticks. He has also lost his ability to play piano."

So he might just be singing.

ernestsewell said:

Damn. I didn't know all of that. Poor Phil.

Timmy84 said:

Yeah Phil has hearing loss and pain in drumming techniques, i wouldnt be surprised to not see him play, but then again it would only be a 10minute performance not like hes going on a long tour. ABBA wont play, i would be shocked, i thhink the two Benny's will go and pick it up and they will have some guests do a tribute to them. Agnetha lives very privately now and very rarely is even out. I think 2010's list is going to see more artists inducted. I think it will be a heavy ROCK year, i think Kiss will get in next time around as well Red Hot and a very good chance for BonJovi, the reason that Bonjovi was left off the ballot was because though their first single was put out late 1983 and album in 1984, Technically Jon was solo still, the single was "indie" and on a NYC local talent tape and caught on, Jon had no band till later 1984 and they arent even on most of the first record, just pictured.

lastdecember said:

lol Having grown up around drummers/percussionists all my life, I can vouche that it even if it's 10 minutes or less, if you have the kind of pain that Phil has just 2 minutes behind that set will tear you up. Can u imagine playin "ABACAB", "Land Of Confusiion" or "Tonight" in that much pain? I hope Chester or maybe Phil's son can fill in for him while he and Peter share lead....
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Janet needs to get in ASAP!

midiscover said:

next year would be the first year i'd agree with you.

janet jackson and dreamstreet made no impact.

ehuffnsd said:

Yes, it did.

It made a huge impact

midiscover said:

janet jackson and the dreamstreet albums made a huge impact? why do most people consider Control her debut than?

ehuffnsd said:

Because it's her breakthrough [commercially and cross over wise] and Janet considered it her debut because Joe overlooked her career during her debut and sophomore album and she didn't like it.

ehuffnsd said:

Because those people don't know about her first two albums. Casual fans will never know about that. Hell, casual Prince fans don't know him before Purple Rain, but is that to say Controversy or 1999 didn't have impact?

As far as JJ's first two CDs, I was always afraid to hear them. She had such strong much with Control, RN1814, janet., Velvet, etc, that I was scared of hearing bubble gum pop. And they ARE bubble gum pop, but when I did listen, I found them very enjoyable. I surprised myself. hehehehe

Not sure how great of an impact those two albums had though. I remember a video for "Dream Street", which might have very well been around her one season (the 4th season) on FAME. Didn't impress me much.

midiscover said:

right it's her breakthrough album and the album that starts her impact in the music world. that means she should be inducted 25 years after its release which is 2011 not before because had control not been released she would be no different than the rest of the jackson family outside of Michael.

it's like watching The Miracle Worker all over again.;

sosgemini said:

is that original cast?

ehuffnsd said:

Lies.

Her first two albums are amazing and iconic.

midiscover said:

they are? that's why they are forgotten by most people? that's why from 90-2001 she never performed any of the songs live? that would be why they aren't included on design of a decade which was released in 96? so a decade was 86-96.

ehuffnsd said:

hmm...it's the film. I know Bancroft originated the role but not sure about Duke. I hate that Duke kinda disowns her Oscar glory. She should be proud of her performance and win.

just checked and yes, they did reprise their broadway roles. good catch.

nevermind
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sosgemini said:

i love that movie both versions.

midiscover said:

There's truth in Ehuffnsd's statement. They weren't big sellers, and didn't set her apart. Control definitely put her out there and made people take notice. No one was humming "Say You Do", or "Fast Girls" or "Start Anew", and barely knew "Dream Street". Her first album barely sold 200K, and reached #6 on the R&B chart; her second sold half that, and barely broke the top 20 on the same chart. On the US charts, she didn't even come close to a Top 40 record. They were commercial flops.

While looking back, we can see that they are good albums (not great), we also have to keep in context that Joe was running things. He put her in that pop machine and her sound is a tad manufactured (and didn't JJ once say she didn't really want to sing, but would have rather acted or go to law school?). It's when she got personal on a record, and had a "sound" to call her own that she made impact. When you go from 100K sales to 5x platinum (14x worldwide), the argument of "iconic" kind of settles itself.

ehuffnsd said:

Uhm reading is fundamental. I pointed out the reason why she refused to be associated with those two albums already. It's because of Joe. But now Janet appreciates them yay

ernestsewell said:

alot of people tend look back on different the jacksons have done with the eyes of today. they forget things like Moving Violation, the Jacksons, and Going Places weren't super successful, they forget people doubted that MJ could pull off a solo act, they do things like think Janet Jackson and Dreamstreet had some kind of impact.

midiscover said:

and they weren't successful. sorry. i love janet but you are not being honest.

ehuffnsd said:

ernestsewell said:

I didn't know success and sales determines whether an album is iconic
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ehuffnsd said:

People even forget Destiny, and Triumph, two fantastic albums, but yes Moving Violation, the Jacksons, etc are great records.

ernestsewell said:

anyway we've hijacked this thread enough

and people were humming "Say you Do", "Dream Street" and "Young Love"

midiscover said:

Joe and Janet were.

back to the subject of the thread....

GO ABBA!

ernestsewell said:

No her fans were.