i cant resist-this from the autospy

. "He suffered from arthritis of the spine and fingers, lacked pigmentation on his chest, and was balding, but otherwise was in relatively good health, Dr. Kain said"

THATS vitillgo-it happens in small-large isolated patches-mike had it ON HIS CHEST nowhere else-you told me to read the autopsy i did.

mike bleached his skin

jonylawson said:[quote]

MOL said:

vitiligo spreads to other parts of the body. sometimes it's fast sometime it's slow. There many people with the condition that have it to the point where they lose nearly all pigment.

Anyway, I have alot of respect for Quincy. I have Back On The Block and The Dude on rotation and I love his and Patti Austin's version of Stevie's "Superwoman"

jonylawson said:

he went through the depigmentation procedure

http://nvfi.org/pages/inf...basics.php

http://www.aad.org/public...tilgo.html
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jonylawson said:

You have absolutely NO proof of that!

Michael and I used to go to the same dermatologist in Las Vegas, and I have had access to classified information about him for years before he died. He did not bleach his skin, there is no such thing. Yes, they do sell skin bleach but it does not work to the effect (if at all) that it could transform a persons skin as dramatically as Michaels was. Bleaching is for fading blemishes, not for erasing pigment to that degree. Bleach at the very high dosages it would take to get that color, or lack of, would create serious burns.

Also, I know about vitiligo from experience (my husband has it). It can come and go, it's a very unpredictable autoimmune disease.

Just because Michael may have only had it on a certain spot or area during his time of death, does not signify his complete history with the disease. It can go away in one area or areas and remain in others. You never know when or where it will surface or fade away. Lightening (via lasers) or Darkening (via a prescribed tanning type lotion) other areas of your unaffected skin can help it blend better.
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Has anyone picked up his photo book that came out about a year or 2 ago? I've wanted to take a look into it but Barnes and Noble always has it wrapped up

MOL said:

LOL! Dude, spilling out your whole life story to a complete stranger who wasn't even talking to you only confirms the worst stereotypes about needy, overemotional MJ fans who use him as a crutch for their own sad lives. Their emotional dependency makes them completely blind. They will often tell complete lies and not even realize they're doing it. That's what you're doing now. The autopsy did not say he had vitiligo. It said he had no pigmentation in some areas. Whether vitiligo or bleach caused that is not specified. There is no test that exists for vitiligo.

godyssey said:

The sentence in bold is a classic example of how far down the road of dishonesty floons will go. Does this person expect anyone with a brain to buy such transparent fiction?

godyssey said:

Can u say Sammy Sosa?

midnightmover said:

The sentence in bold is neither dishonesty or fiction. Why is what I've said impossible?

jonylawson said:

Hi Jony !!!

midnightmover said:

No one needs to go far, midnight. Just read the autopsy report.

midnightmover said:

Your angry and overdefensive answer just proved that you were incapable of reviewing yourself in success in every form, shape or way. Your laugh is a clear example of that. You try to hide some nervosity and complete nonsense by poking fun at one's posts. Honey, that doesn't work with me. If you REALLY think that your "sad life" argument or your little emoticon "intimidates" anyone, then you are utterly wrong. Besides, you have over a thousand posts! Don't you have a job? Don't you study? In just two years, you have written more than a thousand comments! So...who has a sad life? I think you know the answer and that is exactly why you are using it agaisnt me, whether you realize it or not. Psychological games don't work with me, mainly coming from a person who is insecure and,therefore, tries to pass that insecurity to others. Give it up, midnightmover, and go do something in life, instead of spending your time ranting about a person who, certainly, won't put food in your table.

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Back in the 80's, there was no such thing as skin bleaching. It didn't exist, period. There was a cream/chemical pills called Hidroquinona (in my language) which was often used with animals. It is known that Hidroquinona bleaches one's skin, however it also causes skin cancer and eventual death over a period of 3 years, in extreme cases.

There is no test that exists for Vitiligo? Honey, if you do not know what you are talking about, then JUST SHUT UP. There are tests that evaluate, if you will, the thyroid. This organ, combined with the hypothalamus, can lead to Vitiligo. Besides, there are symptons. Just like there are no scientific aproved tests to determine whether one is a psycopath or not, there are symptons. Ever heard about that? One doesn't need to be studying Medicine to realize this.
Vitiligo occurs when the melanocytes die. Skin bleaching consists in "whitening" those cells instead of killing them. Besides, Vitiligo causes depigmentation in patches of skin while, if one bleaches his/her skin, one's body won't have patches, since the "whitening" will be uniform.

jonylawson said:

WRONG! There are LOTS OF PICTURES in which you can see "small-large isolated patches" on Jackson's arms, neck and hands. Besides, start writing like an adult.
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It seems, Midnight, that you are the one who is emotionally dependent. Let's look at the numbers, shall we?
In a two years and half period, you have posted 4160 times. This means that you have an average of 4,6 (long, in your case) posts a day! What about getting a life other than sitting behind a computer telling others that they are emotionally dependent or whatever? Boy, get out, go to the cinema, go have some fun. There are clear signs, here, that you are addicted to this. 4,6 (long) posts a day? Don't you think that's ridiculous? How old are you? Aren't you too old to be spending your days in front of a computer? I always see you in big debates/arguments/bitter discussions about whether Michael Jackson was/was not a good singer/pedophile/racist et cetera.

I presented you with a resumé of my life. The successful part of it. Everyone has a part in his/her life that is sad. Using that against one is pathetic and coward and can be seen as an ad hominem fallacy. Translation: You tend to discredit a person based on his/her artistic preferences. I've just done it in a natural defense way that (I'll hope) will make you realize and finally see the stupidity instilled in a good percentage of your 4000+ posts . Yet you, in your insecure petulance, immediately hyperbolized that fact by claiming that I had spilled out my entire life. You wish. This is an evident example of your insecurity. Transforming little aspects that are fairly used against you in little scandals, which become favorable for your argumentation, is a symptom of severe insecurity, Midnight.

What I found funny was the "sad life" part. I won't comment, since I KONW that YOU KNOW, that you are lying. Then, you started generalizing. That tecnic is well known and often used. You then used an argument which is valid for every artists' fan. That can apply for every fan, which doesn't necessarily make it true specifically.


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bboy87 said:

Got to Borders they always have one unwapped. It's a photo bio really, it's so cool. Mr. Jones was in the thick of all this good music being made, of course he made a lil' bit of it too. If you are a Q fan it would nice thing to add to your collection, definitely nice for the coffe table. If you weren't a fan or didn't know much about the man I think this book would peak your interest.

Some of ya'll need to let it go about MJ, damn. There's a Sticky for all to regurgitate and debate what we all think we know.



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godyssey said:

Please. What the hell "classified information" have you seen that exonerates MJ of skin bleaching? You're not talking to some spaced out MJ fam here. Back up your claim.

MOL said:

MOL said:

MOL said:

Notice how I replied to you only once and you shot back with THREE separate posts -sorry- essays in which you hysterically try to justify yourself. This is after you've already spilled out your life story to me. If you had an ounce of self awareness you'd see that you're conforming to the stereotype of an emotionally disturbed MJ fan. The reason I mention this is because that neediness explains why so many of you are so blind in your adoration and can be devious as hell without even realizing it. You NEED MJ to give meaning to your life.

For instance, look how you completely failed to back up your lie about his autopsy. It's very simple. Show me EXACTLY where the autopsy said he had vitiligo. If you were telling the truth you'd produce the quote, but instead you dodge the challenge and try to distract us with bluster. Don't dodge the point. Show us the quote.

One more thing. You say there was no such thing as skin bleaching in the 80s. This is a line you took directly from Michael's Oprah interview in 1993. There's only one problem with it. The problem is that a half empty tube of skin bleach was later found amongst Michael's personal possessions from the Victory Tour. I look forward to seeing the creative ways you find to dodge that fact.

P.S. It may be useful if you number your points in future and cut out all the bluster as I don't have the time to wade through all that bullshit.

I read his autobiography many years ago,when it was first released.Great book!

I thought this post was about quincy jones

babybugz said:

Another day in Orgville

This is the song that made me track his stuff.


Featuring Rufus' original diva Ms.Paulette McWilliams

midnightmover said:

"o relatório dá conta de despigmentação em volta da cara, no peito, abdómen e braços."= The report shows that Jackson had depigmentation (here is where you exclude the skin bleaching option) surrounding the face, chest, abdomen and arms.



When people have vitiligo and they have such uneven discoloration, oftentimes they take a dipigmenting agent, which is a cream, and you can actually destroy the very dark color cells that you have and then you make your skin white.
As you can see, you are corroborating what I just told you. There was no such thing as skin bleaching. There were, since the 70's if I'm not mistaken, creams with a small percentage of HIDROQUINONE (as I've referred before) used, mainly, to destroy dark color cells. However, if one uses the cream, the loss of pigment is PARTIAL. With Vitiligo the loss of pigmentation is COMPLETE (and in the autopsy report it was clearly stated that Jackson had DEPIGMENTATION). Monobenzone appeared latter and that is exactly why I claim there was no such thing as skin bleaching .

The evidence is here. No bluster, no nothing. Pure and brute evidence.


BTW, Midnight; Let me just tell you a thing or two; I see you everywhere ranting about how Janet Jackson, Michael Jackson and Madonna (and probably many more) are this and that. That's not healthy. It really isn't. I always see you in bitter discussions. I swear to God, I've never seen you posting without entering in a fight with someone (glad to be corrected). I always see you in long, bitter, full of hate discussions. I can't help imagining you salivating while ranting about how M. Jackson was/was not a paedophile, how Janet Jackson was/was not whining, how Madonna kidnap/did not kidnap kids. I'm not trying to be mean: I'm trying to be helpful.
I live my life first. My ambitions, friends, family blah blah come first. Then, in my own spare time I turn on the computer and turn off the real life button. The worries and the pressure go away for a while. It's healthy to do so. It's healthy to stop worrying about everything for, at least, half a hour a day otherwise one explodes (the results vary: depression, breakdown, etc.). It's clear that this doesn’t happen with you. It seems that you turn off "the real life” button way too many times. There’s no other explanation that can justify so much hate, so much desire for bitter discussions. You cultivate an already growing feeling of anger. In 2 years, you posted 4500+ times! Is there a poster with whom you have never had a bitter, ugly discussion? I always see you having them with everyone that dares to go against your ideals. That perhaps explains why you choose to turn off the real life button. I’m not saying this to purposedly belittle you or whatever.

I really think you need to calm down and become less dependent on figures you have never met! Besides, only frustrated, empty people cultivate overzealous hate for someone. I’m in no way conotating these pejorative adjectives to you, I just think, like I said before, that you need to calm down urgently and stop being so aggressive towards other people. Look at how you immediately called macandriver a fool! Look at how you immediately labelled me a worshipper without a life, then a blind fan, then this and that. It’s almost as if you are full of anger for things people surrounding you do to you and you need to aim that anger at someone. Results? 4500+ posts of bitter, ugly, nasty, overzealous, hateful and insulting discussions. Maybe, instead of focusing on MJ’s problems, on whether he was or wasn’t a paedophile or whatever, you should do what you advised me to do: GAIN self-awareness.

The guy is death. I don’t think he was a paedophile- and let’s not start a discussion about that- but if he was (or whatever unflattering thing you want to associate with him), the fact is that he IS DEATH. You don’t have to join the 2 Michael Jacksons, now. Since the 25th of June you just have to live with one: the artist. And if the other, in your perspective, didn’t allow you to appreciate his astistry, the fact, since the referred day, is that you no longer have to live with him. From now on, you just have the artist, which you can see with a naked eye and whose purpose is, exclusively, to entertain you. But, contrarily to him, you still have a life to live. So stop with the bitter discussions and nasty insults.
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MOL said:

I would've been more impressed were it the 3rd grade of elementary school. However, I should give you a break since I'm guessing English isn't your first language.

whodknee said:

That's correct, English is not my first language.

How did this thread go from QUINCY JONES BOOK to Michael Jackson's skin disease?

ViintageJunkiie said:

Ilove this book, it was good!

MOL said:

Depigmentation is a symptom, not a cause. It simply means the pigmentation is not there (which we already knew). It says nothing about WHY it's not there. It's the same as if you have burn marks on your skin. An autopsy will show you had burns but it will not show how you got the burns. Your claim in brackets is an outright lie which I challenge you to back up, knowing full well you won't be able to.


Read what you've just said. You are admitting that there are creams that have been around since the 70s that can destroy dark color cells. Err, sweetie, that's exactly what we mean by skin bleaching.

You're right that those skin bleaches will not make you totally white, but if your memory is working you'll remember that on the Victory Tour (when Mike was taking these bleaching agents), he hadn't yet turned white. He'd gone to a caramel colour which is exactly the result you'd expect with strong skin bleaches like he was found to be using. Now, read this next sentence carefully, it's important. Vitiligo does not turn skin from black to caramel. If a black person has white patches they can either use black make-up or white make-up to even it out, but for 9 years Mike's skin appeared neither black or white. It was caramel. Vitiligo does not explain that. The skin bleach that was found in his possession explains it perfectly though.