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PrintableIt was great seeing them together and to see their surroundings and how they live (or at least how they want you to think they live). Jermaine seemed to be doing a lot of acting for the camera. I was disappointed in him because I thought he was better than that. Having a solo career of his own, I always thought he was more independent than the rest of the brothers but it looks to me now that he's the one that's trying to cash in on his brother's death more than any of the rest of them. Jackie was looking rough and Marlon made my dick hard every time I saw him. Tito seemed to have the most sense out of the whole bunch.
As for being excited about the new album, I'm neither excited, nor disappointed. I'm not excited about it because I know it's going to be some sellout stuff to the current shit hop sound of today. I'm not disappointed because I didn't expect it to be any different from anything else of today. And when I saw them working with Jimmy and Terry, it just confirmed what I thought the album would be like because those two have been the kings of sellout since the early 1990s. Why work with them anyway? Hell, they've got Jackson blood in their veins. They can write songs and melodies themselves. Look how great the "Destiny" and "Triumph" albums were. That's "The Jackson Sound", go back to that. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: It was great seeing them together and to see their surroundings and how they live (or at least how they want you to think they live). Jermaine seemed to be doing a lot of acting for the camera. I was disappointed in him because I thought he was better than that. Having a solo career of his own, I always thought he was more independent than the rest of the brothers but it looks to me now that he's the one that's trying to cash in on his brother's death more than any of the rest of them. Jackie was looking rough and Marlon made my dick hard every time I saw him. Tito seemed to have the most sense out of the whole bunch.
As for being excited about the new album, I'm neither excited, nor disappointed. I'm not excited about it because I know it's going to be some sellout stuff to the current shit hop sound of today. I'm not disappointed because I didn't expect it to be any different from anything else of today. And when I saw them working with Jimmy and Terry, it just confirmed what I thought the album would be like because those two have been the kings of sellout since the early 1990s. Why work with them anyway? Hell, they've got Jackson blood in their veins. They can write songs and melodies themselves. Look how great the "Destiny" and "Triumph" albums were. That's "The Jackson Sound", go back to that. you did? not me. don't have cable, didn't see the show, but jermaine has always been a diva. he left the group, i strongly suspect, not b/c he had this undying loyalty to berry gordy, but b/c he thought his connection to same was going to help him get into the same league as stevie and marvin...and it would have had he the drive and talent to go with the connection (perhaps not fair for me to compare him to those two men since very few are as talented but you know what i mean.) he was languishing at motown until stevie hooked him up with 'let's get serious'. in the meantime, he watched his brothers go to epic and grow as artists. by the time 'serious' came out, they already had 'destiny', the underrated 'jacksons', 'off the wall' for mj, and were working on 'triumph'. which brings me to your second observation about why they can't seem to get it together. well, according to all who worked with him, mj was motivated and focused to the extreme. i can see him being the one who made them focus their efforts, and it probably worked with the rest of the brothers, but just from what i've read, i think he wouldn't put up with jermaine's diva ways for long.  | |
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bboy87 said: RnBAmbassador said: Time warp. Jermaine's ego is out of control...his lame-ass reason for not staying with his brothers when they went to CBS and he stayed at Motown being ripped of by his ex-father-in-law...Marlon certainly rebounded from working at a grocery store in San Diego..Tito has lots of his father's ways, and Jackie seems to be a 50/50 split of mom and dad...still boggles the mind why Randy is not involved, could it be Jermaine? I bet they have had some moments over sharing the same snatch - wow at having siblings that are also your first cousins...The Jackson, a prime example of a dysfunctional family and one in denial, especially about their late 'brother' - who did everything to be non-Black and non-male, and truly non-heterosexual...I will always maintain the only snatch he has ever had was when he came out of Katherine's womb
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bboy87 said: RnBAmbassador said: Time warp. Jermaine's ego is out of control...his lame-ass reason for not staying with his brothers when they went to CBS and he stayed at Motown being ripped of by his ex-father-in-law...Marlon certainly rebounded from working at a grocery store in San Diego..Tito has lots of his father's ways, and Jackie seems to be a 50/50 split of mom and dad...still boggles the mind why Randy is not involved, could it be Jermaine? I bet they have had some moments over sharing the same snatch - wow at having siblings that are also your first cousins...The Jackson, a prime example of a dysfunctional family and one in denial, especially about their late 'brother' - who did everything to be non-Black and non-male, and truly non-heterosexual...I will always maintain the only snatch he has ever had was when he came out of Katherine's womb
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RnBAmbassador said: Time warp. Jermaine's ego is out of control...his lame-ass reason for not staying with his brothers when they went to CBS and he stayed at Motown being ripped of by his ex-father-in-law...Marlon certainly rebounded from working at a grocery store in San Diego..Tito has lots of his father's ways, and Jackie seems to be a 50/50 split of mom and dad...still boggles the mind why Randy is not involved, could it be Jermaine? I bet they have had some moments over sharing the same snatch - wow at having siblings that are also your first cousins...The Jackson, a prime example of a dysfunctional family and one in denial, especially about their late 'brother' - who did everything to be non-Black and non-male, and truly non-heterosexual...I will always maintain the only snatch he has ever had was when he came out of Katherine's womb
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vainandy said: It was great seeing them together and to see their surroundings and how they live (or at least how they want you to think they live). Jermaine seemed to be doing a lot of acting for the camera. I was disappointed in him because I thought he was better than that. Having a solo career of his own, I always thought he was more independent than the rest of the brothers but it looks to me now that he's the one that's trying to cash in on his brother's death more than any of the rest of them. Jackie was looking rough and Marlon made my dick hard every time I saw him. Tito seemed to have the most sense out of the whole bunch.
As for being excited about the new album, I'm neither excited, nor disappointed. I'm not excited about it because I know it's going to be some sellout stuff to the current shit hop sound of today. I'm not disappointed because I didn't expect it to be any different from anything else of today. And when I saw them working with Jimmy and Terry, it just confirmed what I thought the album would be like because those two have been the kings of sellout since the early 1990s. Why work with them anyway? Hell, they've got Jackson blood in their veins. They can write songs and melodies themselves. Look how great the "Destiny" and "Triumph" albums were. That's "The Jackson Sound", go back to that.  | |
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The Jackson 5 sound was Jackie and Jermaine’s voices in the harmonies. From the debut lp to “Moving Violations” you could always hear Jackie’s falsetto and Jermaine’s baritone. The Jacksons sound was more in the music than the voices. Other than Blame It On the Boogie or songs where MJ did all the background—Blues Away, That’s What You Get, Heartbreak Hotel—there isn’t a Jackson song where you can really distinguish the voices like the J5 days. MJ, Randy, Jackie, and Greg Phillinganes gave the group a new musical feel. That’s why I was extremely disappointed with the “Victory” album. It didn’t capture those old J5 harmonies with Jermaine, nor did it offer anything at all like the Jacksons sound, except for “Body” maybe. It didn’t have those hot tracks written by MJ and Randy together. It was just a bunch of obscure solo efforts.
So when I hear the guys or Jam and Lewis talk about capturing that J5 or Jacksons sound I’m more than a bit skeptical. Watching Jackie and Jermaine trying to sing that track was like  dude, you’re the high tenor and you’re the baritone. It’s background vocals, stop fighting for the spotlight. And Randy and Mike aren’t there to punch the music and give it that Jackson flava. They need to hook up with the producers who’ve worked on the last the last couple of projects by The Temptations…or maybe even the last Al Green project…producers who know how to deliver good songs without straying too far from the artists signature sound.I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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RnBAmbassador said: Time warp. Jermaine's ego is out of control...his lame-ass reason for not staying with his brothers when they went to CBS and he stayed at Motown being ripped of by his ex-father-in-law...Marlon certainly rebounded from working at a grocery store in San Diego..Tito has lots of his father's ways, and Jackie seems to be a 50/50 split of mom and dad...still boggles the mind why Randy is not involved, could it be Jermaine? I bet they have had some moments over sharing the same snatch - wow at having siblings that are also your first cousins...The Jackson, a prime example of a dysfunctional family and one in denial, especially about their late 'brother' - who did everything to be non-Black and non-male, and truly non-heterosexual...I will always maintain the only snatch he has ever had was when he came out of Katherine's womb
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I'm actually dying to hear some new Jackson material after those clips they played on Sunday's show. Great sound  | |
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Adisa said: The Jackson 5 sound was Jackie and Jermaine’s voices in the harmonies. From the debut lp to “Moving Violations” you could always hear Jackie’s falsetto and Jermaine’s baritone. The Jacksons sound was more in the music than the voices. Other than Blame It On the Boogie or songs where MJ did all the background—Blues Away, That’s What You Get, Heartbreak Hotel—there isn’t a Jackson song where you can really distinguish the voices like the J5 days. MJ, Randy, Jackie, and Greg Phillinganes gave the group a new musical feel. That’s why I was extremely disappointed with the “Victory” album. It didn’t capture those old J5 harmonies with Jermaine, nor did it offer anything at all like the Jacksons sound, except for “Body” maybe. It didn’t have those hot tracks written by MJ and Randy together. It was just a bunch of obscure solo efforts.
So when I hear the guys or Jam and Lewis talk about capturing that J5 or Jacksons sound I’m more than a bit skeptical. Watching Jackie and Jermaine trying to sing that track was like dude, you’re the high tenor and you’re the baritone. It’s background vocals, stop fighting for the spotlight. And Randy and Mike aren’t there to punch the music and give it that Jackson flava. They need to hook up with the producers who’ve worked on the last the last couple of projects by The Temptations…or maybe even the last Al Green project…producers who know how to deliver good songs without straying too far from the artists signature sound.The Victory album started out that apparently. Michael and Jermaine had worked on some tracks together and Michael and Marlon wrote a song called "Doing Dirty" for the LP too. All the brothers wrote a good deal for it but as recording went on, tensions flared up and I think they started going to the studio individually "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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Adisa said: The Jackson 5 sound was Jackie and Jermaine’s voices in the harmonies. From the debut lp to “Moving Violations” you could always hear Jackie’s falsetto and Jermaine’s baritone. The Jacksons sound was more in the music than the voices. Other than Blame It On the Boogie or songs where MJ did all the background—Blues Away, That’s What You Get, Heartbreak Hotel—there isn’t a Jackson song where you can really distinguish the voices like the J5 days. MJ, Randy, Jackie, and Greg Phillinganes gave the group a new musical feel. That’s why I was extremely disappointed with the “Victory” album. It didn’t capture those old J5 harmonies with Jermaine, nor did it offer anything at all like the Jacksons sound, except for “Body” maybe. It didn’t have those hot tracks written by MJ and Randy together. It was just a bunch of obscure solo efforts.
So when I hear the guys or Jam and Lewis talk about capturing that J5 or Jacksons sound I’m more than a bit skeptical. Watching Jackie and Jermaine trying to sing that track was like dude, you’re the high tenor and you’re the baritone. It’s background vocals, stop fighting for the spotlight. And Randy and Mike aren’t there to punch the music and give it that Jackson flava. They need to hook up with the producers who’ve worked on the last the last couple of projects by The Temptations…or maybe even the last Al Green project…producers who know how to deliver good songs without straying too far from the artists signature sound.It wasn't the lyrics or the way they were singing them that was turning me off. It was those damn fucking shit hop drum machines I could hear behind the vocals that I absolutely despise the hell out of. No wonder one of them (I can't remember if it was Tito or Jackie) told them to erase it. Erasing it was the smartest thing they did in the whole show. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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bboy87 said: Adisa said: The Jackson 5 sound was Jackie and Jermaine’s voices in the harmonies. From the debut lp to “Moving Violations” you could always hear Jackie’s falsetto and Jermaine’s baritone. The Jacksons sound was more in the music than the voices. Other than Blame It On the Boogie or songs where MJ did all the background—Blues Away, That’s What You Get, Heartbreak Hotel—there isn’t a Jackson song where you can really distinguish the voices like the J5 days. MJ, Randy, Jackie, and Greg Phillinganes gave the group a new musical feel. That’s why I was extremely disappointed with the “Victory” album. It didn’t capture those old J5 harmonies with Jermaine, nor did it offer anything at all like the Jacksons sound, except for “Body” maybe. It didn’t have those hot tracks written by MJ and Randy together. It was just a bunch of obscure solo efforts.
So when I hear the guys or Jam and Lewis talk about capturing that J5 or Jacksons sound I’m more than a bit skeptical. Watching Jackie and Jermaine trying to sing that track was like dude, you’re the high tenor and you’re the baritone. It’s background vocals, stop fighting for the spotlight. And Randy and Mike aren’t there to punch the music and give it that Jackson flava. They need to hook up with the producers who’ve worked on the last the last couple of projects by The Temptations…or maybe even the last Al Green project…producers who know how to deliver good songs without straying too far from the artists signature sound.The Victory album started out that apparently. Michael and Jermaine had worked on some tracks together and Michael and Marlon wrote a song called "Doing Dirty" for the LP too. All the brothers wrote a good deal for it but as recording went on, tensions flared up and I think they started going to the studio individually I remember reading about them not getting along in the studio. If u think about it, it makes sense for them not to be getting along. They were all grown men by that time. Weren't Jackie and Tito and their mid to late 30s when they did that album? Not to mention, they had been together as a singing group for about 20 years at that point. That's a long time to be eating, breathing, sleeping, writing, performing together. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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vainandy said: It wasn't the lyrics or the way they were singing them that was turning me off. It was those damn fucking shit hop drum machines I could hear behind the vocals that I absolutely despise the hell out of. No wonder one of them (I can't remember if it was Tito or Jackie) told them to erase it. Erasing it was the smartest thing they did in the whole show. You know, if Jimmy and Terry handled the J5 40th anniverary album like they did Solo's debut album, they will be in good shape. That album was a back to basics album without a lot of drum machines. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: bboy87 said: The Victory album started out that apparently. Michael and Jermaine had worked on some tracks together and Michael and Marlon wrote a song called "Doing Dirty" for the LP too. All the brothers wrote a good deal for it but as recording went on, tensions flared up and I think they started going to the studio individually I remember reading about them not getting along in the studio. If u think about it, it makes sense for them not to be getting along. They were all grown men by that time. Weren't Jackie and Tito and their mid to late 30s when they did that album? Not to mention, they had been together as a singing group for about 20 years at that point. That's a long time to be eating, breathing, sleeping, writing, performing together. When they started writing for it, Michael was still in the planning stages of Thriller. The album came out in '84 so Jackie was 32, Tito was 31, Jermaine was 30 or 29, Marlon was 26, Michael was 25, and Randy was 23. There was stuff that didn't make it on the album Doing Dirty (written by Michael and Marlon) Buffalo Bill (written by Michael) What's Your Life (written by Michael and Jermaine) Victory (The Jacksons and Queen) Still In Love With You (Randy on lead) There's More To Life Than This Power (written by Jackie) Nona (written by Jackie) I'm In Love With You (written by Marlon and John Barnes) Where Do I Stand (written by Marlon) Bad Company (written by Tito, Michael McKinney & Wayne Arnold) [Edited 12/15/09 12:37pm] "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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daPrettyman said: vainandy said: It wasn't the lyrics or the way they were singing them that was turning me off. It was those damn fucking shit hop drum machines I could hear behind the vocals that I absolutely despise the hell out of. No wonder one of them (I can't remember if it was Tito or Jackie) told them to erase it. Erasing it was the smartest thing they did in the whole show. You know, if Jimmy and Terry handled the J5 40th anniverary album like they did Solo's debut album, they will be in good shape. That album was a back to basics album without a lot of drum machines. But did it have any ass shakers on it? That's another problem. An album full of nothing but slow to midtempo stuff is just as dull. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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bboy87 said: daPrettyman said: I remember reading about them not getting along in the studio. If u think about it, it makes sense for them not to be getting along. They were all grown men by that time. Weren't Jackie and Tito and their mid to late 30s when they did that album? Not to mention, they had been together as a singing group for about 20 years at that point. That's a long time to be eating, breathing, sleeping, writing, performing together. When they started writing for it, Michael was still in the planning stages of Thriller. The album came out in '84 so Jackie was 32, Tito was 31, Jermaine was 30 or 29, Marlon was 26, Michael was 25, and Randy was 23. There was stuff that didn't make it on the album Doing Dirty (written by Michael and Marlon) Buffalo Bill (written by Michael) What's Your Life (written by Michael and Jermaine) Victory (The Jacksons and Queen) Still In Love With You (Randy on lead) There's More To Life Than This Power (written by Jackie) Nona (written by Jackie) I'm In Love With You (written by Marlon and John Barnes) Where Do I Stand (written by Marlon) Bad Company (written by Tito, Michael McKinney & Wayne Arnold) [Edited 12/15/09 12:37pm] The fact that you have all this info stashed in your brain is frightening. I've been waiting to hear Power for years now. It would be nice if some of that stuff came out but they aren't active enough for even B-sides. Even though they're older now, I don't want another Victory-type album. I want a Destiny-type album. Don't know if that's possible. They still seem to enjoy jamming but maybe not with each other. It'll be interesting to see what unfolds but like Vainandy, I reeeeeally don't want some ole' midtempo album with 9-11 tracks. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Without MJ and Randy, the new Jacksons album won't have that magic I'm afraid. Bless them four tho, hope they can pull it off but I'm not so sure. | |
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Timmy84 said: Without MJ and Randy, the new Jacksons album won't have that magic I'm afraid. Bless them four tho, hope they can pull it off but I'm not so sure.
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JackieBlue said: bboy87 said: When they started writing for it, Michael was still in the planning stages of Thriller. The album came out in '84 so Jackie was 32, Tito was 31, Jermaine was 30 or 29, Marlon was 26, Michael was 25, and Randy was 23. There was stuff that didn't make it on the album Doing Dirty (written by Michael and Marlon) Buffalo Bill (written by Michael) What's Your Life (written by Michael and Jermaine) Victory (The Jacksons and Queen) Still In Love With You (Randy on lead) There's More To Life Than This Power (written by Jackie) Nona (written by Jackie) I'm In Love With You (written by Marlon and John Barnes) Where Do I Stand (written by Marlon) Bad Company (written by Tito, Michael McKinney & Wayne Arnold) [Edited 12/15/09 12:37pm] The fact that you have all this info stashed in your brain is frightening. I've been waiting to hear Power for years now. It would be nice if some of that stuff came out but they aren't active enough for even B-sides. Even though they're older now, I don't want another Victory-type album. I want a Destiny-type album. Don't know if that's possible. They still seem to enjoy jamming but maybe not with each other. It'll be interesting to see what unfolds but like Vainandy, I reeeeeally don't want some ole' midtempo album with 9-11 tracks. 
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^^ The Jacksons' story wasn't supposed to end like this. I pray for all of them (even Joe) because they came in it together and now it's like the family's just splintered (though Jermaine still tries to make it seem they're 'together'). It's like he's putting up a front but the other brothers see reality for what it is. | |
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Timmy84 said: ^^ The Jacksons' story wasn't supposed to end like this. I pray for all of them (even Joe) because they came in it together and now it's like the family's just splintered (though Jermaine still tries to make it seem they're 'together'). It's like he's putting up a front but the other brothers see reality for what it is.
Even Joe? [Edited 12/15/09 12:45pm] | |
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Timmy84 said: ^^ The Jacksons' story wasn't supposed to end like this. I pray for all of them (even Joe) because they came in it together and now it's like the family's just splintered (though Jermaine still tries to make it seem they're 'together'). It's like he's putting up a front but the other brothers see reality for what it is.
I see it in the opposite way. Jackie, Tito, and Marlon seem real close. It's Jermaine who seems to have pushed himself away You can also tell the brothers and sisters have made an effort to be uncles and aunts and have all the kids know each other "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: Timmy84 said: ^^ The Jacksons' story wasn't supposed to end like this. I pray for all of them (even Joe) because they came in it together and now it's like the family's just splintered (though Jermaine still tries to make it seem they're 'together'). It's like he's putting up a front but the other brothers see reality for what it is.
I see it in the opposite way. Jackie, Tito, and Marlon seem real close. It's Jermaine who seems to have pushed himself away You can also tell the brothers and sisters have made an effort to be uncles and aunts and have all the kids know each other That's what I meant in a way. I know Jackie, Tito & Marlon are close but with Jermaine it's like "do we have to deal with this mothafucka?" | |
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MOL said: Timmy84 said: ^^ The Jacksons' story wasn't supposed to end like this. I pray for all of them (even Joe) because they came in it together and now it's like the family's just splintered (though Jermaine still tries to make it seem they're 'together'). It's like he's putting up a front but the other brothers see reality for what it is.
Even Joe?
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vainandy said: But did it have any ass shakers on it? That's another problem. An album full of nothing but slow to midtempo stuff is just as dull. Come on, Andy. 50 year olds don't "shake their ass". They just step. [Edited 12/15/09 12:52pm] **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: vainandy said: But did it have any ass shakers on it? That's another problem. An album full of nothing but slow to midtempo stuff is just as dull. Come on, Andy. 50 year olds don't "shake their ass". They just step.
[Edited 12/15/09 12:52pm] Does Bruce Springsteen "step"? Does Tina Turner "step"? Did James Brown "step"? No.
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Timmy84 said: Without MJ and Randy, the new Jacksons album won't have that magic I'm afraid. Bless them four tho, hope they can pull it off but I'm not so sure.
Was Randy that beneficial? I know he co-wrote a lot of their hits, but I don't think that negates them out. I really think Jermaine, Marlon and Jackie could easily carry the vocals. As for backgrounds, anyone could be hired to make the harmonies complete. I hope they don't get Teddy Riley, though. Ted didn't have the magic touch with them on 2300 Jackson St. I did like the work Babyface did, though. Also, the work Face did on Jermaine's last solo album was damn-good. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: Timmy84 said: Without MJ and Randy, the new Jacksons album won't have that magic I'm afraid. Bless them four tho, hope they can pull it off but I'm not so sure.
Was Randy that beneficial? I know he co-wrote a lot of their hits, but I don't think that negates them out. I really think Jermaine, Marlon and Jackie could easily carry the vocals. As for backgrounds, anyone could be hired to make the harmonies complete. I hope they don't get Teddy Riley, though. Ted didn't have the magic touch with them on 2300 Jackson St. I did like the work Babyface did, though. Also, the work Face did on Jermaine's last solo album was damn-good. I think Randy was more beneficial than Jermaine in the later years "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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Timmy84 said: daPrettyman said: Come on, Andy. 50 year olds don't "shake their ass". They just step.
[Edited 12/15/09 12:52pm] Does Bruce Springsteen "step"? Does Tina Turner "step"? Did James Brown "step"? No.
So what's wrong with nearly 60-year-old men doing it? On their "newer" material they released after they turned 40 and 50. Come on, "Living In America" vs. "Licking Stick"...."Working On A Dream" vs. "Born To Run"....."Proud Mary" vs. "What's Love Got To Do With It". **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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