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bboy87 said: What I was saying that one of the reasons why The Jacksons material didn't sell as much when Michael passed away was because it's not known to the public like his solo material or the Jackson 5 stuff. If you looked at what I said, you'd see I wasn't talking about who made better music or who contributed to who's success. I was simply saying that the 1976-1981 material doesn't get enough recognition When you posted the list of worldwide sales, I was pointing out WHY The Jacksons material didn't sell like J5 or MJ, that's all Uh- do we live in the same world? Its ALLLL about J5/Jacksons/OTW/Thriller. And then it stops there and trails into tabloid fodder. His later albums may have sold a lot but they're generally ignored by casual fans and in the critical realm. Earth Song and You Are Not Alone are critically maligned, but they're technically much bigger worldwide hits than Billie Jean based on chart histories. Go back and compare their yearly digital sales with Can U Feel It and Shake Your Body. Guess which was selling more? Explain to me how Bad can have 5 #1s on it and yet OTW could outsell it every single year since 1991? How can Like A Prayer be outselling True Blue when True Blue sold more than double LAP in its inital run? It has nothing to do with whcih album was initally more successful. Its because of hype, critical acclaim, and strong recurrent airplay. Rock With You alone got more recurrent airplay than all the songs from Bad, Dangerous, and HIStory combined . Shake Ya Boy and Can U feel It also got much more airplay than anything from Bad and Dangerous. So The Jacksons are underrated in what way? By sales? Britney Spears sells more than Bob Dylan- do people think she's a better artist than he is? MJ's stint with his brothers is insignificant sales and money wise. That was my point. But what you're saying about being underrated or ignored is 100% false. If anything, its the other way around. Dangerous and HIStory can be considered underrated because of the mixed reviews and general dismissal by the general public as "when he lost it." The Jacksons can't be considered underrated because practcally every album review I read for Destiny and Triumph are absolutely glowing. Most people consider MJ at his vocal and creative peak at this point in time. Those albums have made a lot of critics lists. Have you seen Dangerous or HIStory on any all-time lists? Nope! So the critics and the media say- buy J5, Jacksons, OTW & Thriller. And I study charts- you'll see that in the first couple of weeks after he died, OTW and Jacksons compilations were far outselling Bad and Dangerous. But then weeks after both Bad and Dangerous shot up and have been outelling OTW and Ultimate Jacksons ever since. The people made their choice. Nothing is underrated here. | |
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MOL said: sleepyq said: I happen to think Janet made better music than Mike.
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sleepyq said: bboy87 said: What I was saying that one of the reasons why The Jacksons material didn't sell as much when Michael passed away was because it's not known to the public like his solo material or the Jackson 5 stuff. If you looked at what I said, you'd see I wasn't talking about who made better music or who contributed to who's success. I was simply saying that the 1976-1981 material doesn't get enough recognition When you posted the list of worldwide sales, I was pointing out WHY The Jacksons material didn't sell like J5 or MJ, that's all Uh- do we live in the same world? Its ALLLL about J5/Jacksons/OTW/Thriller. And then it stops there and trails into tabloid fodder. His later albums may have sold a lot but they're generally ignored by casual fans and in the critical realm. Earth Song and You Are Not Alone are critically maligned, but they're technically much bigger worldwide hits than Billie Jean based on chart histories. Go back and compare their yearly digital sales with Can U Feel It and Shake Your Body. Guess which was selling more? Explain to me how Bad can have 5 #1s on it and yet OTW could outsell it every single year since 1991? How can Like A Prayer be outselling True Blue when True Blue sold more than double LAP in its inital run? It has nothing to do with whcih album was initally more successful. Its because of hype, critical acclaim, and strong recurrent airplay. Rock With You alone got more recurrent airplay than all the songs from Bad, Dangerous, and HIStory combined . Shake Ya Boy and Can U feel It also got much more airplay than anything from Bad and Dangerous. So The Jacksons are underrated in what way? By sales? Britney Spears sells more than Bob Dylan- do people think she's a better artist than he is? MJ's stint with his brothers is insignificant sales and money wise. That was my point. But what you're saying about being underrated or ignored is 100% false. If anything, its the other way around. Dangerous and HIStory can be considered underrated because of the mixed reviews and general dismissal by the general public as "when he lost it." The Jacksons can't be considered underrated because practcally every album review I read for Destiny and Triumph are absolutely glowing. Most people consider MJ at his vocal and creative peak at this point in time. Those albums have made a lot of critics lists. Have you seen Dangerous or HIStory on any all-time lists? Nope! So the critics and the media say- buy J5, Jacksons, OTW & Thriller. And I study charts- you'll see that in the first couple of weeks after he died, OTW and Jacksons compilations were far outselling Bad and Dangerous. But then weeks after both Bad and Dangerous shot up and have been outelling OTW and Ultimate Jacksons ever since. The people made their choice. Nothing is underrated here. Well you have people my age 22 and under who ignored all the jackson stuff and go straight to bad and after . I might be one of the rare ones my age who enjoy the music before bad more(But I love all the Era's it just the early days are my fave) so I don't know I think it depends on taste.But the ones who grew up with Michael I do notice they stay in his earlier years. | |
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babybugz said: sleepyq said: Uh- do we live in the same world? Its ALLLL about J5/Jacksons/OTW/Thriller. And then it stops there and trails into tabloid fodder. His later albums may have sold a lot but they're generally ignored by casual fans and in the critical realm. Earth Song and You Are Not Alone are critically maligned, but they're technically much bigger worldwide hits than Billie Jean based on chart histories. Go back and compare their yearly digital sales with Can U Feel It and Shake Your Body. Guess which was selling more? Explain to me how Bad can have 5 #1s on it and yet OTW could outsell it every single year since 1991? How can Like A Prayer be outselling True Blue when True Blue sold more than double LAP in its inital run? It has nothing to do with whcih album was initally more successful. Its because of hype, critical acclaim, and strong recurrent airplay. Rock With You alone got more recurrent airplay than all the songs from Bad, Dangerous, and HIStory combined . Shake Ya Boy and Can U feel It also got much more airplay than anything from Bad and Dangerous. So The Jacksons are underrated in what way? By sales? Britney Spears sells more than Bob Dylan- do people think she's a better artist than he is? MJ's stint with his brothers is insignificant sales and money wise. That was my point. But what you're saying about being underrated or ignored is 100% false. If anything, its the other way around. Dangerous and HIStory can be considered underrated because of the mixed reviews and general dismissal by the general public as "when he lost it." The Jacksons can't be considered underrated because practcally every album review I read for Destiny and Triumph are absolutely glowing. Most people consider MJ at his vocal and creative peak at this point in time. Those albums have made a lot of critics lists. Have you seen Dangerous or HIStory on any all-time lists? Nope! So the critics and the media say- buy J5, Jacksons, OTW & Thriller. And I study charts- you'll see that in the first couple of weeks after he died, OTW and Jacksons compilations were far outselling Bad and Dangerous. But then weeks after both Bad and Dangerous shot up and have been outelling OTW and Ultimate Jacksons ever since. The people made their choice. Nothing is underrated here. Well you have people my age 22 and under who ignored all the jackson stuff and go straight to bad and after . I might be one of the rare ones my age who enjoy the music before bad more(But I love all the Era's it just the early days are my fave) so I don't know I think it depends on taste.But the ones who grew up with Michael I do notice they stay in his earlier years. yeah i notice alot of younger(under 30) fans don't care much for anything pre-thriller but LOVE all the eras and i love michael with his brothers.my fav album is of the wall. i in general prefer older music anyways and i used to get teased by friends about it in school "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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mimi07 said: babybugz said: Well you have people my age 22 and under who ignored all the jackson stuff and go straight to bad and after . I might be one of the rare ones my age who enjoy the music before bad more(But I love all the Era's it just the early days are my fave) so I don't know I think it depends on taste.But the ones who grew up with Michael I do notice they stay in his earlier years. yeah i notice alot of younger(under 30) fans don't care much for anything pre-thriller but LOVE all the eras and i love michael with his brothers.my fav album is of the wall. i in general prefer older music anyways and i used to get teased by friends about it in school LOL I love old school music too but i'm not a grandma though , I think because I wasn't born around the jacksons/off the wall era is one of the reasons why I have interest in those years. | |
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babybugz said: mimi07 said: yeah i notice alot of younger(under 30) fans don't care much for anything pre-thriller but LOVE all the eras and i love michael with his brothers.my fav album is of the wall. i in general prefer older music anyways and i used to get teased by friends about it in school LOL I love old school music too but i'm not a grandma though , I think because I wasn't born around the jacksons/off the wall era is one of the reasons why I have interest in those years. i appreciate all music. people listen to classical music from over 100 years ago so what's wrong with listening to songs from 20-40 years ago. good music is timeless. [Edited 1/15/10 19:07pm] "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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They seriously need to do Jermaine Jackson justice and either release all of his Motown albums, or give us a 2 disc collection.
A brother with 13 albums should just have a one disc collection, give me a second to come up with the ultimate Jermaine Jackson collection. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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LittleBLUECorvette said: They seriously need to do Jermaine Jackson justice and either release all of his Motown albums, or give us a 2 disc collection.
A brother with 13 albums should just have a one disc collection, give me a second to come up with the ultimate Jermaine Jackson collection. yeah i agree...i'm waiting "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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mimi07 said: LittleBLUECorvette said: They seriously need to do Jermaine Jackson justice and either release all of his Motown albums, or give us a 2 disc collection.
A brother with 13 albums should just have a one disc collection, give me a second to come up with the ultimate Jermaine Jackson collection. yeah i agree...i'm waiting 1. I Found That Girl 2. She's Good (Single Version) 3. That's How Love Goes 4. I Lost My Love In The Big City 5. Daddy's Home 6. You're In Good Hands 7. Sitting On The Edge Of My Mind 8. She's The Ideal Girl 7. Let's Be Young Tonight 8. My Touch of Madness 9. You Need To Be Loved 10. Castles of Sand 11. Let's Get Serious 12. You're Supposed To Keep Your Love From Me 13. I'm Just Too Shy 14. Little Girl Don't You Worry 15. You Like Me Don't You 16. Let Me Tickle Your Fancy 17. Paradise In Your Eyes 18. Very Special Part 19. Dynamite 20. Do What You Do 21. Torture 22. Sweetest Sweetest 23. Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming 24. Closest Thing (To Perfect) 25. I Thing It's Love 26. Do You Remember Me 27. Words Into Action 28. Don't Take It Personal 29. I'd Like To Get To Know You 30. Two Ships (In The Night) 31. Nothin' (That Compares 2 You) 32. Word 2 The Badd!! 33. You Said, You Said 34. I Dream, I Dream 35. Stay With Love PRINCE: Always and Forever
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I can't believe there aren't more of his albums available. I need to replace a few vinyl copies and I can't even find them in CD format. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: I can't believe there aren't more of his albums available. I need to replace a few vinyl copies and I can't even find them in CD format.
That's cause they don't exist, they did release hos four records from Arista/LaFace last year. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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LittleBLUECorvette said: JackieBlue said: I can't believe there aren't more of his albums available. I need to replace a few vinyl copies and I can't even find them in CD format.
That's cause they don't exist, they did release hos four records from Arista/LaFace last year. That sucks. I gotta find away to convert from vinyl. I missing out on too much music. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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sleepyq said: bboy87 said: What I was saying that one of the reasons why The Jacksons material didn't sell as much when Michael passed away was because it's not known to the public like his solo material or the Jackson 5 stuff. If you looked at what I said, you'd see I wasn't talking about who made better music or who contributed to who's success. I was simply saying that the 1976-1981 material doesn't get enough recognition When you posted the list of worldwide sales, I was pointing out WHY The Jacksons material didn't sell like J5 or MJ, that's all Uh- do we live in the same world? Its ALLLL about J5/Jacksons/OTW/Thriller. And then it stops there and trails into tabloid fodder. His later albums may have sold a lot but they're generally ignored by casual fans and in the critical realm. Earth Song and You Are Not Alone are critically maligned, but they're technically much bigger worldwide hits than Billie Jean based on chart histories. Go back and compare their yearly digital sales with Can U Feel It and Shake Your Body. Guess which was selling more? Explain to me how Bad can have 5 #1s on it and yet OTW could outsell it every single year since 1991? How can Like A Prayer be outselling True Blue when True Blue sold more than double LAP in its inital run? It has nothing to do with whcih album was initally more successful. Its because of hype, critical acclaim, and strong recurrent airplay. Rock With You alone got more recurrent airplay than all the songs from Bad, Dangerous, and HIStory combined . Shake Ya Boy and Can U feel It also got much more airplay than anything from Bad and Dangerous. So The Jacksons are underrated in what way? By sales? Britney Spears sells more than Bob Dylan- do people think she's a better artist than he is? MJ's stint with his brothers is insignificant sales and money wise. That was my point. But what you're saying about being underrated or ignored is 100% false. If anything, its the other way around. Dangerous and HIStory can be considered underrated because of the mixed reviews and general dismissal by the general public as "when he lost it." The Jacksons can't be considered underrated because practcally every album review I read for Destiny and Triumph are absolutely glowing. Most people consider MJ at his vocal and creative peak at this point in time. Those albums have made a lot of critics lists. Have you seen Dangerous or HIStory on any all-time lists? Nope! So the critics and the media say- buy J5, Jacksons, OTW & Thriller. And I study charts- you'll see that in the first couple of weeks after he died, OTW and Jacksons compilations were far outselling Bad and Dangerous. But then weeks after both Bad and Dangerous shot up and have been outelling OTW and Ultimate Jacksons ever since. The people made their choice. Nothing is underrated here. I'm saying The Jacksons, Goin' Places, Destiny, Triumph, and Live! don't get enough recognition. until 2004, Sony wasn't doing anything with those albums After Michael's passing: US chart Shake Your Body (Down To The Ground) #22 UK chart Blame It On The Boogie #55 Can You Feel It #59 Shake Your Body Down To The Ground #129 Those albums are underrated because before Michael died, alot of people didn't even know about those albums, along with some of the J5 albums. People know the hits, but they've just now started to dig deeper "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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JackieBlue said: I can't believe there aren't more of his albums available. I need to replace a few vinyl copies and I can't even find them in CD format.
You'd think Motown would be remastering those albums now with the success of the show. It's time to release more unreleased music too Jermaine- #27 Pop, #6 R&B Come In To My Life- #152 Pop, #30 R&B My Name Is Jermaine- #164 Pop, #29 R&B Let's Get Serious- #6 Pop, #1 R&B Feel The Fire- #174 Pop, #36 R&B Jermaine- #44 Pop, #17 R&B I Like Your Style- #86 Pop, #31 R&B, Let Me Tickle Your Fancy- #46 Pop, #9 R&B Jermaine Jackson/Dynamite- #19 Pop, #1 R&B Precious Moments- #46 Pop, #25 R&B Don't Take It Personal- #115 Pop, #18 R&B You Said- #39 R&B "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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^ aww they're so cute "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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check omer out!
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JackieBlue said: I can't believe there aren't more of his albums available. I need to replace a few vinyl copies and I can't even find them in CD format.
Nobody thinking about Jermaine that's why you don't see it You can easily find Michael Or Janet but not him. I have Don't take it personal and I liked it but My grandparents gave me it . I would most likely never get any of his albums though. | |
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babybugz said: JackieBlue said: I can't believe there aren't more of his albums available. I need to replace a few vinyl copies and I can't even find them in CD format.
Nobody thinking about Jermaine that's why you don't see it You can easily find Michael Or Janet but not him. I have Don't take it personal and I liked it but My grandparents gave me it . I would most likely never get any of his albums though. That's nowhere near Jermaine's best album. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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LittleBLUECorvette said: babybugz said: Nobody thinking about Jermaine that's why you don't see it You can easily find Michael Or Janet but not him. I have Don't take it personal and I liked it but My grandparents gave me it . I would most likely never get any of his albums though. That's nowhere near Jermaine's best album. Don't even bother | |
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babybugz said: LittleBLUECorvette said: That's nowhere near Jermaine's best album. Don't even bother PRINCE: Always and Forever
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I would buy Latoya before I buy him | |
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babybugz said: I would buy Latoya before I buy him
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LittleBLUECorvette said: mimi07 said: yeah i agree...i'm waiting 1. I Found That Girl 2. She's Good (Single Version) 3. That's How Love Goes 4. I Lost My Love In The Big City 5. Daddy's Home 6. You're In Good Hands 7. Sitting On The Edge Of My Mind 8. She's The Ideal Girl 7. Let's Be Young Tonight 8. My Touch of Madness 9. You Need To Be Loved 10. Castles of Sand 11. Let's Get Serious 12. You're Supposed To Keep Your Love From Me 13. I'm Just Too Shy 14. Little Girl Don't You Worry 15. You Like Me Don't You 16. Let Me Tickle Your Fancy 17. Paradise In Your Eyes 18. Very Special Part 19. Dynamite 20. Do What You Do 21. Torture 22. Sweetest Sweetest 23. Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming 24. Closest Thing (To Perfect) 25. I Thing It's Love 26. Do You Remember Me 27. Words Into Action 28. Don't Take It Personal 29. I'd Like To Get To Know You 30. Two Ships (In The Night) 31. Nothin' (That Compares 2 You) 32. Word 2 The Badd!! 33. You Said, You Said 34. I Dream, I Dream 35. Stay With Love This is a great compilation. I'd have to add When the Rain Begins to Fall and Take Good Care of My Heart. I didn't care for the other Whitney duet so much. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Am I the only one who thinks Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin' should've been on the Victory album. It would've matched the production and would've been the best cut "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: bboy87 said: I'm gonna change the topic right about here.... Vintage and sleepy-or-squeeky-or-wahtever: YOU and I know that, when it comes to singing, dancing, influencing, composing, writing, arranging, performing and charisma, Michael is MUCH MUCH MUCH better than Janet. YOU know, just like I know, that Michael had more talent in his nose than Janet in her whole body. Ask Janet who is the greatest entertainer ever. Oops, wait: she already answered that. | |
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