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bboy87 said: Been looklin' for this pic forever, Marlon on the keytar. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Scrapluv said: kibbles said: no, it's not weird really, if you read between the lines or just think about what is clearly the proverbial elephant in the room. this show is as much about what isn't shown or said as what is shown or said. although amy osbourne declined to appear on the family's show, they routinely referred to her existence (most hysterically when kelly was upset that amy apparently made an gynecological exam for appointment for her! too funny!) so why don't the brothers even talk about randy? well, i believe randy made the decision waaaaayyyy before mj's death not be apart of this *and* there's probably some contractual prohibition on the brothers from even mentioning his name. still, to the extent that at least randy and jackie had a working relationship in the jacksons, it would be cool to see that dynamic at work. [Edited 1/11/10 16:08pm] marlon did mention randy when he and jackie were going over the dance steps Aw, I missed that. If there's a second season as they said, I hope he makes an appearance. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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LittleBLUECorvette said: bboy87 said: Been looklin' for this pic forever, Marlon on the keytar. Victory album copy and paste...i mean photoshoot? | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: thatruth said: I was enjoying the show in the beginning, the way they covered the aftermath of the death of their sibling, the whole "healing process" was good to see. I wish the show would've stayed on that, moving on as a family, but now the show is about this phantom show and songs they producing and all the back and forth drama between the brothers, it's not just Jermaine either, it's all of them...now I'm just done with the show.
I'm a huge J5/Jacksons fan, been down since 83, but to be very painfully honest, The Jackson 5 as we remember them doesn't exist anymore not just because the passing of Michael, I feel that the Jacksons should have reinvented themselves a long time ago. Years back there was this tv show called the Family Honors, and I saw Jermaine and Tito perform together, it wasn't the Jackson 5 but it was the Jackson Band. That's the direction that they should've continued on. No they weren't going to sell out stadiums like Michael and Janet, but they wouldn't gotten some respect because at the end of the day, it's the music that counts. Last night's episode, I saw Jermaine and Tito jam with the band, and along with Randy on keys, I can clearly see that, a more mature r&b, jazz, rock, pop band. But Jackie and Marlon wants the old Jacksons with the pyro, the dancesteps and the space/rhinestone suits, etc. That was exciting but sadly it won't be the same without Michael. Exactly. It seems like they waited until Michaels death to wanna make a comeback. Now I'm aware that they were working on the show before he passed, they should have been trying to reinvent themselves years ago. It's gonna be a problem because it's such short notice. They don't have time to find their "style" musically. I don't want to sound like one of those crazy MJ fans, and say that the brothers were obsessed and intimidated with Michael's success, but I sort of do believe that they wanted that audience as well, or they were spoiled by the success the brothers had at such an early age, they probably feel that performing in a concert hall is beneath them, like in the episode "Come Together". That's why I have much respect for Tito and his band, to me that's more realistic, and more of a step forward. Like I said, it's about the music. I can clearly see Jermaine, Tito and Randy along with a band with background vocalists performing and touring throughout the US and abroad. The other brothers, I don't know. Marlon and Jackie don't have strong vocals, and they have to take out the choreography for obvious reasons..Michael, Jackie and Marlon were the dancers, when one dominant element is missing, it's very noticeable as an observer watching their show, you get depressed. The two brothers wanting that old magic from Triumph and Victory Tours is a step backwards. | |
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thatruth said: ViintageJunkiie said: Exactly. It seems like they waited until Michaels death to wanna make a comeback. Now I'm aware that they were working on the show before he passed, they should have been trying to reinvent themselves years ago. It's gonna be a problem because it's such short notice. They don't have time to find their "style" musically. I don't want to sound like one of those crazy MJ fans, and say that the brothers were obsessed and intimidated with Michael's success, but I sort of do believe that they wanted that audience as well, or they were spoiled by the success the brothers had at such an early age, they probably feel that performing in a concert hall is beneath them, like in the episode "Come Together". That's why I have much respect for Tito and his band, to me that's more realistic, and more of a step forward. Like I said, it's about the music. I can clearly see Jermaine, Tito and Randy along with a band with background vocalists performing and touring throughout the US and abroad. The other brothers, I don't know. Marlon and Jackie don't have strong vocals, and they have to take out the choreography for obvious reasons..Michael, Jackie and Marlon were the dancers, when one dominant element is missing, it's very noticeable as an observer watching their show, you get depressed. The two brothers wanting that old magic from Triumph and Victory Tours is a step backwards. You were thinking the same thing I was thinking Although I love the brothers and will support them, when I saw that scene of them in the ballroom, I thought "They do know that without Michael, a stadium show ain't happening" if they got their shit together, they can still do numbers but if they think this is gonna happen again I don't know..... "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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I think the pink elephant in the room is that Marlon's vocals are not up to the same par as Jackie and Jermaine in the studio.
Both times we see them in the studio, it's Marlon messing up on pitch and tone and lyrics, not Jackie or Jermaine. But for some reason, they never directly address Marlon and say, step back and listen. That one week lockdown should've been morning live rehearsals downstairs and evening studio rehearsals. 4 hour blocks each. It's strange that they are musicians, but they refuse to do the work of musicians, writing, arranging, playing and singing music. | |
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vizionheiry said: I think the pink elephant in the room is that Marlon's vocals are not up to the same par as Jackie and Jermaine in the studio.
Both times we see them in the studio, it's Marlon messing up on pitch and tone and lyrics, not Jackie or Jermaine. But for some reason, they never directly address Marlon and say, step back and listen. hasn't that been the case since they were kids. he makes up for it with is dancing. "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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vizionheiry said: I think the pink elephant in the room is that Marlon's vocals are not up to the same par as Jackie and Jermaine in the studio.
Both times we see them in the studio, it's Marlon messing up on pitch and tone and lyrics, not Jackie or Jermaine. But for some reason, they never directly address Marlon and say, step back and listen. That one week lockdown should've been morning live rehearsals downstairs and evening studio rehearsals. 4 hour blocks each. It's strange that they are musicians, but they refuse to do the work of musicians, writing, arranging, playing and singing music. Marlon was never a great vocalist to begin with, but his dance abilities were always excellent. Proof of that is this: And definitely this...: Check me out and add me on:
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silverchild said: vizionheiry said: I think the pink elephant in the room is that Marlon's vocals are not up to the same par as Jackie and Jermaine in the studio.
Both times we see them in the studio, it's Marlon messing up on pitch and tone and lyrics, not Jackie or Jermaine. But for some reason, they never directly address Marlon and say, step back and listen. That one week lockdown should've been morning live rehearsals downstairs and evening studio rehearsals. 4 hour blocks each. It's strange that they are musicians, but they refuse to do the work of musicians, writing, arranging, playing and singing music. Marlon was never a great vocalist to begin with, but his dance abilities were always excellent. Proof of that is this: And definitely this...: He may be a good dancer, but they can't see him dance on a record. | |
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Uh...is it just me or is Jermaine the ugly child and perhaps that's the reason he's such a complainer?? Under certain circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer. | |
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JackieBlue said: I always forget about Nothin' Compares To You and I liked that song. I really do find it odd that there is not ONE mention of Randy in any way or form. I know what he says and I know what they say but it's just weird. I mean, we're seeing their grandkids and girlfriends and not even a text message from Randy. He's becoming the Bonnie Pointer of the group (minus the disco singles). Marlon briefly mentioned Randy on Sunday's episode when him and Jackie were doing a move from the Shake Your Body routine and he said, "Randy always got a little bit extra with that one" he said it real quick but I was surprised they brought him up | |
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LiquidGold said: Uh...is it just me or is Jermaine the ugly child and perhaps that's the reason he's such a complainer??
Jermaine wasn't always the "ugly duckling" growing up...that was Marlon (lol). He complains because he's trying to reach a goal that's impossible in this case. | |
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bboy87 said: thatruth said: I don't want to sound like one of those crazy MJ fans, and say that the brothers were obsessed and intimidated with Michael's success, but I sort of do believe that they wanted that audience as well, or they were spoiled by the success the brothers had at such an early age, they probably feel that performing in a concert hall is beneath them, like in the episode "Come Together". That's why I have much respect for Tito and his band, to me that's more realistic, and more of a step forward. Like I said, it's about the music. I can clearly see Jermaine, Tito and Randy along with a band with background vocalists performing and touring throughout the US and abroad. The other brothers, I don't know. Marlon and Jackie don't have strong vocals, and they have to take out the choreography for obvious reasons..Michael, Jackie and Marlon were the dancers, when one dominant element is missing, it's very noticeable as an observer watching their show, you get depressed. The two brothers wanting that old magic from Triumph and Victory Tours is a step backwards. You were thinking the same thing I was thinking Although I love the brothers and will support them, when I saw that scene of them in the ballroom, I thought "They do know that without Michael, a stadium show ain't happening" if they got their shit together, they can still do numbers but if they think this is gonna happen again I don't know..... That was another thing that bothered me. They were talking about how small the ball room was. Did they forget that they have to start off small? gotta crawl before you can walk in this case. | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: bboy87 said: You were thinking the same thing I was thinking Although I love the brothers and will support them, when I saw that scene of them in the ballroom, I thought "They do know that without Michael, a stadium show ain't happening" if they got their shit together, they can still do numbers but if they think this is gonna happen again I don't know..... That was another thing that bothered me. They were talking about how small the ball room was. Did they forget that they have to start off small? gotta crawl before you can walk in this case. Remember Jermaine trying to halt the 30th Anniversary show because he wanted to know where the money was going? oh! and that denim suit from 1992 and those scarves he's been rockin.... I was like "Yo! I didn't know Tommy Hilfiger was hot again!" Looking like he auditioned for a Tyler Perry film "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: ViintageJunkiie said: That was another thing that bothered me. They were talking about how small the ball room was. Did they forget that they have to start off small? gotta crawl before you can walk in this case. Remember Jermaine trying to halt the 30th Anniversary show because he wanted to know where the money was going? oh! and that denim suit from 1992 and those scarves he's been rockin.... I was like "Yo! I didn't know Tommy Hilfiger was hot again!" Looking like he auditioned for a Tyler Perry film LMAO! right! J-Fab is slowly getting on my last nerve. It's that damn SCARF that he wears around his neck is what really GRINDS MY GEARS *Peter Griffin voice* | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: bboy87 said: Remember Jermaine trying to halt the 30th Anniversary show because he wanted to know where the money was going? oh! and that denim suit from 1992 and those scarves he's been rockin.... I was like "Yo! I didn't know Tommy Hilfiger was hot again!" Looking like he auditioned for a Tyler Perry film LMAO! right! J-Fab is slowly getting on my last nerve. It's that damn SCARF that he wears around his neck is what really GRINDS MY GEARS *Peter Griffin voice* I've been on at least 4 different sites (this one, 2 MJ sites, and Okayplayer) and they love the other brothers, but stay clownin LaJuane "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: ViintageJunkiie said: LMAO! right! J-Fab is slowly getting on my last nerve. It's that damn SCARF that he wears around his neck is what really GRINDS MY GEARS *Peter Griffin voice* I've been on at least 4 different sites (this one, 2 MJ sites, and Okayplayer) and they love the other brothers, but stay clownin LaJuane WTF?! | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: bboy87 said: I've been on at least 4 different sites (this one, 2 MJ sites, and Okayplayer) and they love the other brothers, but stay clownin LaJuane WTF?! that's his middle name "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: ViintageJunkiie said: WTF?! that's his middle name LOL. I never knew that! I thought it was a name some of the fans came up with. LOL | |
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bboy87 said: thatruth said: I don't want to sound like one of those crazy MJ fans, and say that the brothers were obsessed and intimidated with Michael's success, but I sort of do believe that they wanted that audience as well, or they were spoiled by the success the brothers had at such an early age, they probably feel that performing in a concert hall is beneath them, like in the episode "Come Together". That's why I have much respect for Tito and his band, to me that's more realistic, and more of a step forward. Like I said, it's about the music. I can clearly see Jermaine, Tito and Randy along with a band with background vocalists performing and touring throughout the US and abroad. The other brothers, I don't know. Marlon and Jackie don't have strong vocals, and they have to take out the choreography for obvious reasons..Michael, Jackie and Marlon were the dancers, when one dominant element is missing, it's very noticeable as an observer watching their show, you get depressed. The two brothers wanting that old magic from Triumph and Victory Tours is a step backwards. You were thinking the same thing I was thinking Although I love the brothers and will support them, when I saw that scene of them in the ballroom, I thought "They do know that without Michael, a stadium show ain't happening" if they got their shit together, they can still do numbers but if they think this is gonna happen again I don't know..... I bet its Jermaine that's mainly thinking that. Can he get any more deluded? I mean I'm not even sure Michael could have pulled off a stadium show in America. Can anyone? | |
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Arnotts said: bboy87 said: You were thinking the same thing I was thinking Although I love the brothers and will support them, when I saw that scene of them in the ballroom, I thought "They do know that without Michael, a stadium show ain't happening" if they got their shit together, they can still do numbers but if they think this is gonna happen again I don't know..... I bet its Jermaine that's mainly thinking that. Can he get any more deluded? I mean I'm not even sure Michael could have pulled off a stadium show in America. Can anyone? If This Is It was successful and he had released an album, I believe so Some people do stadium shows, but alot of acts choose to do arenas an theatres instead "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: Arnotts said: I bet its Jermaine that's mainly thinking that. Can he get any more deluded? I mean I'm not even sure Michael could have pulled off a stadium show in America. Can anyone? If This Is It was successful and he had released an album, I believe so Some people do stadium shows, but alot of acts choose to do arenas an theatres instead Sometimes, I think MJ wouldn't have been able to sell out here in the states. Seems like America disowned him after 1993 | |
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I believe if This Is It concert series was a success, it would have made MJ known once again in America for his music. Unfortunately it took his death to make it about his music again. Up until that time, 90% of the mindshare regarding MJ in USA was related to his crazy media (court case, Martin Bashir story, getting around in a wheelchair and face mask in Vegas). Thats why I was so excited about This Is It concerts. They would have put him back on the stage again in people's minds. I think in a lot of Europe he never left the stage in alot of people's hearts and minds. In America though, he became a victim of the media and people talked more about him and his life and all the strange stories more than the music. Its such a tragedy that he never got to reclaim his place on the stage, that he is the badest stage performer/entertainer on the planet. His passing made people want to remember him for the right reasons and people flocked to itunes, You Tube and record stores and video stores to try to remember him for those good things once again. I think many people assumed he would come back one day and have the big 'come back' but when he died they realized its all over.
I think if the concert series in London would have triggered a world tour and I had already hear rumors about a world tour for this year. That show needed to be seen. As MJ said, it was the final curtain call. He knew this was the last tour. I think if he didn't end up doing a stadium tour of USA, it would have been a residency in Vegas to finish it. But we will never know and this is all just my pov. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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ViintageJunkiie said: silverchild said: Marlon was never a great vocalist to begin with, but his dance abilities were always excellent. Proof of that is this: And definitely this...: He may be a good dancer, but they can't see him dance on a record. If they can make Janet and Rebbie sound good, then Marlon can sound good, too. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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LittleBLUECorvette said: bboy87 said: Been looklin' for this pic forever, Marlon on the keytar. Love this picture ^^^^ I'm in the mood for love...simply because your near me. | |
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i like this picture
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Saleswises, Michael's stint weith his brothers is very, very insignificant.
If it wasn't for Michael's solo success, nobody would even remember the rest of the Jacksons. Michael would have sold the same amount of concert tickets with or without his brothers. Why would he have brought them along? So they could get a piece of his pie? Here's how it goes: Worldwide sales/shipments in 2009: Michael Jackson (sony/epic)- 29 million Michael Jackson (motown)- 2 million Jackson 5 (motown)- 2 million The Jacksons (sony/epic)- 500k 2009 US sales: Michael Jackson- 8.2 million scanned Jakcosn 5 / The Jacksons- 600,000 scanned Overall album sales (as of January 2009- before death) Michael Jackson (epic)- 200 million Michael Jackson (motown) 5 million Jackson 5/The Jacksons- 45 million Do the math, folks. Michael's solo career is where the money is at. The Jacksons don't get shit in royalties! Neither does Janet, even! She makes her shit from touring. Nobody wants to see the Jacksons, that's why they wanted to tag along with MJ for his London stint. Beause they know where the money is made! Only people like The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Led Zepplin could live off of royalties! And they sell over a million a year in the US- every year! On average, The Jacksons sold about 50k a year if they were lucky. Now split that 5 ways. How much do you think it amounts to? However, i must say- I support the show 100%. They've finally gone out on their own to try to make some bread! Maybe Jermaine can finally afford to visit a professional hair salon. | |
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[Edited 1/12/10 16:58pm] "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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aww look at michael and latoya
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