MOL said:

Why are you so defensive? I don't know weather Katherine said that about Toy but even if she did it doesn't change anything. Just because a person is wrong about one thing it doesn't mean that everything coming from their mouth is false. I simply said that to point out how similar Jermaine's and Michael's voices were before they hit puberty. That stands on it own just by listening to the recordings regardless of what Katherine said anyway.

kibbles said:

True what you say. However judging by Jermaine's output as a songwriter I'd also say that Jermaine is one the best songwriters out of the brothers. He didn't contribute to the classic Jacksons sound though since he wasn't a member during the Jacksons when "it counted" so to speak. Michael said in his talks with the ghostwriter of Moonwalk that a problem for Jermaine was that he didn't have enough self-belief. He said that Jermaine was "always letting outside influences change what style and beauty he's created...It always ends up not being his creation and changed in some type of way." This makes me believe that Michael had respect for Jermaine's talent as a songwriter but that he felt he relied too much on outside influences instead of his own talent. I also think part of the problem is that Jermaine probably have been obsessed with geting a hit since Thriller and him leaving Motown for Arista. He'll probably take anything if it gives him a hit. Problem with the other brothers is that they probably are more lost than ever about what direction to take. They've been gone from the scen and the studio for many years and the captain of the ship, the one who knew what directon to take is now no longer with us.

manthevan said:

yes, i think so. i think the jacksons were a cohesive group with mj, who was very ambitious - and i don't mean that in a bad way. he was just driven and creative, and probably inspired the group. they're looking for a 'hit' when if they're really serious about music, they would be looking more introspectively for what it is they want to say with their music. i haven't seen the show, but from what i glean on this board, their attempts to make themselves 'relevant' are quite sad, to me anyway.

morningsong said:

it's because Mike was soo much like himmmm

Evvy said:

Perhaps you're right. I do know there is a physical thing though.
They all seem to have that sensitive thing happening, maybe all the "kids" do. I say one thing about those 1st gen. Jacksons, as sensitive as they are, every last one of them seems to be a fighter, ain't a wimp in the bunch, regards who more talent whenever and where. That's kind of sexy.

Marlon's kind of cute too. Is he still married? Asking based on what his daughter said.

manthevan said:

You must be mentally handicapped. I never denied Jackie was a creative person. I just refused to give him all the credit, like you were doing. You were saying Jackie WROTE the song "Can You Feel It" (for example) when this song was CO-WRITTEN by Jackie AND Michael. Yet, you realized I was right (Jackie can't get all the credit) and, immediately, twisted and distorted everything I said. Your jeau de vive quickly became a "poor Jackie" fest, and you know that damn well. The thing is: I just stated facts and, if you can't handle them, then go cry far away, because the "poor me" fest doesn't go with me.

Jackie didn't receive royalties from Michael? Perhaps you should realize that Triumph was a favor Michael did to his brothers. He could just have done another solo album, but instead, he chose to do his brotehrs a favor and, eventually, recorded Triumph. Let's not even pretend we don't know that the brothers were dependent on Michael. They needed Michael. Michael didn't need them. They needed Michael to continue their careers and to put money in their bank accounts. Michael coulb be investing in becoming an even bigger solo star, since he didn't need his brothers and the public wanted him to go solo, but instead, he chose to, once again, help his brothers. The same can be applied to the Victory and Triumph Tours and Victory album. You know full well that Michael was doing his brothers a FAVOR by recording and performing with them. Just like you know damn well who put food on Jackie's table, clothes on his closet, who paid his Ferraris, who paid his panties, who paid even the most miserable lettuce he ate, who paid his kids' school. YOU know that DAMN well. So, the "Michael owes his brothers money" excuse doesn't go with me. In fact, it's exactly the contrary but the debt is too high to be paid. Michael's siblings would have to live another 20 lives in order to pay what they owe their brother. But, guess what? Michael didn't ask for anything in return.
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I always found Mike, Marlon and Randy to be the most creative of all the brothers. Tito is also creative, but I never really heard anything spectacular that Jackie and Jermaine created.

SoulAlive said:

I don't think MJ appeared in any videos for the Victory album.

manthevan said:

Who knows what was said, but I didn't hear anything about Janet being MJ's nightmare.

angel345 said:

Janet isn't Michael's nightmare. I said Kate thought Michael feared Latoya, because, according to her, Mike was afraid Toy was going to outrank his talent.

SoulAlive said:

What are you saying? Body is an instant R&B classic! Marlon is basically playing the role of Michael in the video.

kibbles said:

True what you say. However judging by Jermaine's output as a songwriter I'd also say that Jermaine is one the best songwriters out of the brothers. He didn't contribute to the classic Jacksons sound though since he wasn't a member during the Jacksons when "it counted" so to speak. Michael said in his talks with the ghostwriter of Moonwalk that a problem for Jermaine was that he didn't have enough self-belief. He said that Jermaine was "always letting outside influences change what style and beauty he's created...It always ends up not being his creation and changed in some type of way." This makes me believe that Michael had respect for Jermaine's talent as a songwriter but that he felt he relied too much on outside influences instead of his own talent. I also think part of the problem is that Jermaine probably have been obsessed with geting a hit since Thriller and him leaving Motown for Arista. He'll probably take anything if it gives him a hit. Problem with the other brothers is that they probably are more lost than ever about what direction to take. They've been gone from the scen and the studio for many years and the captain of the ship, the one who knew what directon to take is now no longer with us.

This has to be the best picture of Marlon:


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Timmy84 said:

It can't be any worse than the Stevie Wonder Twitter page.

Here's Michael's final performance with his brothers in 2001