The Jackson Family Thread

Reply #721 posted 01/04/10 5:20pm

manthevan	MOL said: vainandy saidI'll never forget what Teddy Riley said about Jermaine. "He desperately wants to become famous, a star." and "He is so consumed by jealously, he is so desperate to become a star, he is obsessively desperate with becoming the number one Jackson, the star..." Really, when did Riley say that? Do you have a source?
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Reply #722 posted 01/04/10 6:35pm

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Bow down and make this a STICKY already.

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Reply #723 posted 01/04/10 6:36pm

mimi07

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manthevan said:

MOL said:

vainandy saidI'll never forget what Teddy Riley said about Jermaine. "He desperately wants to become famous, a star." and "He is so consumed by jealously, he is so desperate to become a star, he is obsessively desperate with becoming the number one Jackson, the star..."

Really, when did Riley say that? Do you have a source?

probably from one of the books by either an angry wife, wannabe friend or just tabloid rubbish

"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them"

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Reply #724 posted 01/04/10 6:50pm

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mimi07 said:

LOVE EM ALL...

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Reply #725 posted 01/04/10 7:05pm

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ViintageJunkiie said:

midiscover said:

Your Ways

Are those solely created by Jackie?

When I was doing research for For The Record, one thing that really suprised me was how Marlon didn't write much

look at the credits
The Jacksons
1. Enjoy Yourself (Gamble/Huff)
2. Think Happy (Gamble/Huff)
3. Good Times (Gamble/Huff)
4. Keep On Dancing (D.Wansel)
5. Blues Away (Michael Jackson)
6. Show You The Way To Go (Gamble/Huff)
7. Living Together (D.Wansel)
8. Strength Of One Man (G.McFadden)
9. Dreamer (Gamble/Huff)
10.Style Of Life (Tito Jackson/Michael Jackson)

Goin' Places
1. "Music's Takin' Over" (Carstarphen/McFadden/Whitehead)
2. "Goin' Places" (Gamble/Huff)
3. "Different Kind of Lady" (The Jacksons)
4. "Even Though You're Gone" (Gamble/Huff)
5. "Jump For Joy" (Biggs/Wansel)
6. "Heaven Knows I Love You, Girl" (Gamble/Huff)
7. "Man Of War" (Gamble/Huff)
8. "Do What You Wanna" (The Jacksons)
9. "Find Me a Girl" (Gamble/Huff)

Destiny (all songs written by The Jacksons except when noted)
1. "Blame It on the Boogie" (Mick Jackson/David Jackson/E. Krohn)
2. "Push Me Away"
3. "Things I Do For You"
4. "Shake Your Body (Down to the Ground)" (Michael Jackson/Randy Jackson)
5. "Destiny"
6. "Bless His Soul"7."All Night Dancin'" (Michael Jackson/Randy Jackson) -
8. "That's What You Get (For Being Polite)" (Michael Jackson/Randy Jackson)

Triumph
# "Can You Feel It" (J. Jackson/M. Jackson)
# "Lovely One" (M. Jackson/R. Jackson)
# "Your Ways" (J. Jackson) - 4:31
# "Everybody" (M. Jackson/T. Jackson/McKinney)
# "This Place Hotel" (M. Jackson)
# "Time Waits for No One" (J. Jackson/R. Jackson)
# "Walk Right Now" (M. Jackson/J. Jackson/R. Jackson)
# "Give It Up" (M. Jackson/R. Jackson)
# "Wondering Who" (J. Jackson/R. Jackson)

Victory
1. "Torture" (Jackie Jackson, Kathy Wakefield)
2. "Wait" (Jackie Jackson, David Paich)
3. "One More Chance" (Randy Jackson)
4. "Be Not Always" (Michael Jackson, Marlon Jackson)
5. "State of Shock" (w/Mick Jagger) (Randy Hansen, Michael Jackson)
6. "We Can Change the World" (Tito Jackson, Wayne Arnold)
7. "The Hurt" (Michael Jackson, Randy Jackson, David Paich, Steve Porcaro)
8. "Body" (Marlon Jackson)

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Reply #726 posted 01/04/10 7:09pm

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bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Are those solely created by Jackie?

Marlon seems more of a producer. Yesterday, you see him drumming the sounds with his mouth. The tracks he wrote for Destiny and Triumph were omitted. So were many of his tracks for Victory.

Hell, but he could get his music recorded by legends like Barry White and Betty Wright and his baby sis.

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Reply #727 posted 01/04/10 7:34pm

manthevan	mimi07 said: manthevan said: Really, when did Riley say that? Do you have a source? probably from one of the books by either an angry wife, wannabe friend or just tabloid rubbish LOL would not surprise me...
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Reply #728 posted 01/04/10 7:37pm

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bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Are those solely created by Jackie?

Well, he did...Body... lol

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Reply #729 posted 01/04/10 8:45pm

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michael was most like jackie- man it's uncanny- the voice, mannerisms, everything.....

LOVE HARD.

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Reply #730 posted 01/04/10 9:23pm

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"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them"

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Reply #731 posted 01/04/10 9:51pm

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bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Are those solely created by Jackie?

A good song-Show You The Way To Go nod

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Reply #732 posted 01/04/10 10:41pm

morningsong	Love the show. Seems like Marlon, Tito and Jackie are very close. Gettin' a little crush on Jackie, not sure what it is though.
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Reply #733 posted 01/05/10 12:49am

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MARLON's "DON'T GO" and "BABY TONIGHT" were cool, but the rest of that album wasn't, and "BODY" was just too much like "WANNA BE STARTIN' SOMETHIN'".

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Reply #734 posted 01/05/10 12:51am

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Reply #735 posted 01/05/10 5:47am

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morningsong said:

Love the show. Seems like Marlon, Tito and Jackie are very close. Gettin' a little crush on Jackie, not sure what it is though.

it's because Mike was soo much like himmmm nod

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Reply #736 posted 01/05/10 6:34am

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RONNYRON said:

and "BODY" was just too much like "WANNA BE STARTIN' SOMETHIN'".

When artists find their song a lot of the material sounds alike including a lot of Jackson songs. I've always loved "Body". shrug

I don't know why everyone rags on it so much. That song and "Torture" were the last songs to capture that classic Jackson sound.
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Reply #737 posted 01/05/10 6:50am

SoulAlive	"Body" is a total embarassment The song,the video,the weak lead vocals by Marlon I can see why Michael seemed to distance himself from the song,refusing to even appear in the video.
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Reply #738 posted 01/05/10 7:52am

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SoulAlive said:

"Body" is a total embarassment lol

The song,the video,the weak lead vocals by Marlon disbelief

The video sure. All the Jacksons videos suck. shrug

The song sounds like the Jacksons. The vocals have more energy and personality than anything that Jackie or Randy sang lead on. I've NEVER cared for "Can You Feel It" and laugh at Randy's poor vocal imitation of Michael, trying to sound all compassionate but coming of like doody

It's all a matter of opinion. Though, so it's all good.

I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired!

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Reply #739 posted 01/05/10 8:36am

SoulAlive	The melody of "Body" is stolen directly from Michael's "Wanna Be Startin' Something"!
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Reply #740 posted 01/05/10 9:10am

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SoulAlive said:

The melody of "Body" is stolen directly from Michael's "Wanna Be Startin' Something"!

In this case, it's "borrowed" since they are brothers. lol

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Reply #741 posted 01/05/10 10:20am

sbp said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I always found Mike, Marlon and Randy to be the most creative of all the brothers. Tito is also creative, but I never really heard anything spectacular that Jackie and Jermaine created.

Can you feel it.

Too busy to check that on wikipedia? Hey, honey (!), Can You Feel it was written by jackie AND Michael. Can You Feel It was arranged by Jackie AND Michael. Or...hummm...do you have selective memory?
Why are you trying to give Jackie all the credit? I guess someone is too blind to see...humm...some truths.
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Reply #742 posted 01/05/10 10:25am

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kibbles said:

i think it's both. as i posted before, in order for jermaine to "shine" in this series, we have to go back to the jacksons circa 1969. the group that emerged from the ashes of the motown 'hit machine' was several times removed from the j5, but jermaine has nothing to do with ANY of that. in order for jermaine to be a part of this series, the jacksons have to be downplayed and the j5 have to be played up. randy can't be a part of that group dynamic or the series b/c he was never part of the j5 (formally) and the producers want to focus on the original lineup for the familiarity, since most people who aren't fans only really remember cute little mj and his brothers from the early 70s and probably couldn't tell you the difference between the j5 and the jacksons.

in addition, why would randy want to be a part of this series where his contributions to the jackson 'dynasty' will be marginalized? he was a very integral part of the jacksons continued success as a group and along with mj and jackie wrote some good material for them. the other brothers, particularly jackie, must know this and like vainandy posted a ways back, why can't randy and jackie come up with material for the group just like they did before?

I've always notice that Jackie & Randy were the strongest links when it came to composing that Jacksons sound with OR without Michael.

Vainandy was damn right for asking that question.

That's exactly why Michael is credited in every Jacksons classic song, isn't it? I want to see you contradicting me, knowing full well you know I am right.

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Reply #743 posted 01/05/10 10:33am

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SoulAlive said:

"Body" is a total embarassment lol

The song,the video,the weak lead vocals by Marlon disbelief

I can see why Michael seemed to distance himself from the song,refusing to even appear in the video.

I don't think MJ appeared in any videos for the Victory album.

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Reply #744 posted 01/05/10 10:35am

manthevan said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I always found Mike, Marlon and Randy to be the most creative of all the brothers. Tito is also creative, but I never really heard anything spectacular that Jackie and Jermaine created.

Jackie:
can you feel it
Your ways
Walk right now
Time Waits for no one
Wait
Wondering Who
Torture
He was also supposedly involved in the songwriting of almost all songs on Destiny.

Surprise, surprise! Someone's about to burst your bubble!
Can You Feel It was written by Jackie AND Michael and arranged by both as well.
Walk Right Now was written by Jackie AND Michael AND Randy.
Times W F N O was written by Jackie AND Randy.
Wait and Wondering who were also co-written by Jackie AND someone else.
"He was also supposedly involved in the songwriting of almost all songs on Destiny. "....NOT. lol

Amazing to see how you distort and twist everything!
Check the album credits...Jackie co-wrote, with all the brothers, 4 songs. Oops!

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Reply #745 posted 01/05/10 10:38am

MOL	midiscover said: Jackie killed it with "Walk Right Now"!! That song is amazing!! Feel the bass!! The keys!! The strings!! The horns!! MJ's falsetto!! The classic Jackson harmonies!! MJ riding the beat with his hee-hee's!! Another one forgetting that WRN was written by Jackie and (surprise, surprise!) Michael and produced by all the Jacksons.
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Reply #746 posted 01/05/10 10:41am

manthevan said:

Katherine once said that Michael always used to imitate jermaine when he was little. That becomes cristal clear when listening to these early recordings of Jermaine's voice before it changed.

The same Katherine who said that Michael was afraid Latoya would outshine him! The same Katherine who said Michael was afraid that Latoy's talent would outrank his!

Yes, you are allowed to laugh your ass off!
Apparently, Latoys, with all her AMAZING talent ( lol

), was Michael's biggest nightmare. In fact, he checked under his bed, every night, to see if Toy Toy, The Pope Of Pop, was there...to haunt him with all her talent!

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Reply #747 posted 01/05/10 11:22am

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SoulAlive said:

"Body" is a total embarassment lol

The song,the video,the weak lead vocals by Marlon disbelief

I can see why Michael seemed to distance himself from the song,refusing to even appear in the video.

What are you saying? Body is an instant R&B classic! Marlon is basically playing the role of Michael in the video. lol

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Reply #748 posted 01/05/10 11:58am

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TonyVanDam said:

kibbles said:

I've always notice that Jackie & Randy were the strongest links when it came to composing that Jacksons sound with OR without Michael.

Vainandy was damn right for asking that question.

actually, i think i answered my own question above. the reason you're not going to see the 'j4' writing their own stuff is because the j4 never did. it was the jacksons - with randy - who wrote their stuff. mj, randy and jackie were the core songwriters of the jacksons, and with two of the strongest elements missing, jackie is on his own, creatively. not a good place to be. that's why they need outside help now.

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Reply #749 posted 01/05/10 1:39pm

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MOL said:

sbp said:

Can you feel it.

They're not giving Jackie all the credit, they're just saying Jackie had a hand in writing some great songs for the group....damn

Can You Feel It (Jackie and Michael)
Your Ways (Jackie)
Time Waits For No One (Jackie and Randy)
Walk Right Now (Michael, Jackie, Randy)
Wondering Who (Jackie and Randy)
Wait (Jackie and David Paich)

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