I think everything started going bad after thriller and when he made neverland but this is just my opinion

let's not go overboard here

michael killed himself

slowly, being as shy as he was he internalizes things..unlike his brothers, it seems



yup

mm im saying he internalized things bc he was abused. the examples you gave of the brothers, they were hurting other people. mj hurt himself, just an observation

(i understood im just a lazy typist, it shows i guess. lol)
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People News
By Stone Martindale Jun 17, 2007, 20:20 GMT

The Daily News received copies of court transcripts from the Michael Jackson federal lawsuit schedule for next week. It reveals a less than sophisticated web of bad advice and confusion around the embattled pop singer, who has seen better days.


The records show that Jackson claims his brother and a financial advisor "pal" tried to cheat him out of fortune during his molestation trial and "only the wise counsel of the Rev. Jesse Jackson and billionaire Ron Burkle saved him," according to the Daily News.

The Daily News revealed that the pages of testimony show that it "even fingered a man close to Randy Jackson as a key villain."

"It's full of sharks, charlatans and imposters," Jackson said in testimony taken last summer in Paris.

"Because there's a lot of money involved, there's a bunch of schmucks in there," Jackson said. "It's the entertainment world, full of thieves and crooks. That's not new. Everybody knows that."

The Daily News reports that Jackson was "pressured to sign off on a multimillion-dollar financing deal by Don Stabler, an associate brought in by brother Randy, his go-to guy on financial matters during much of his career."

Describing Stabler: "He reminded me of people that live in mid-America like Indiana," Jackson testified.

Luckily Jackson had turned to more reliable financial advisors, namely the billionaire friend of former President Bill Clinton for financial help, Ron Burkle. Burkle brought in Jesse Jackson.

The Daily News details the tug of war that ensued between Burkle, Jackson and Stable.

"[Stabler] said, 'What's the problem? You're not down, you're with the Jews now. You're not down with blacks anymore,'" Jackson testified.

"It was unkind," Jackson added. "It was mean. It was meanspirited. It was nasty. Simply because he couldn't get me to sign something that he wanted me to sign."

The next time Jackson saw Stabler "he wanted to take my head off." And his brother Randy wasn't too happy, either.

Randy allegedly had amassed a huge American Express bill of over $700K, and wanted to be paid back.

let's not go overboard here

michael killed himself

slowly, being as shy as he was he internalizes things..unlike his brothers, it seems



yup

i mean he was really selfdestructive
murray literally killed him

what the hell happened here?

mimi07 said:

Nothing Just having a healthy discussion go post some pics

babybugz said:

... don't tell me what to do...i don't feel like it

babybugz said:

... don't tell me what to do...i don't feel like it

He pushed them because he loved them, because he wanted nobody to ever look down at his offspring.

babybugz said:

But, come on, there has to be a reason for a 35 man to be playing hide and seek, don't you think? With that said, I don't think Michael was, for example, so childlike due to his bad choices or behaviour or whatever. There has to be an extracurricular reason.
There has to be a reason behind so much plastic surgery.
There has to be a reason behind someone not knowing shit about what a normal life is.
Bad choices? Michael's siblings' sex addiction, broke claims, terrible parenting, dangerous and sexist behaviour and much more aren't bad choices? The thing is; you can have as much plastic surgery as you want. You can be playing hide and seek and doing kiddie shit as much as you want. That is NOT dangerous. That doesn't harm anyone. But...doing what some of Michael's siblings did like refusing to pay child support, being a terrible dad and husbanda nd the list goes on and on IS HARMFULL.
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MOL said:

My father used to play hide and seek with me, my siblings, and friends when we were children. He was in his thirties. I was thirty years old when I had my first and only child. I played kiddie games with her, hide and seek too. She's fine, and so am I

angel345 said:

Do you also have a Disneyland in your backyard? Somehow, I don't think that's...hummm...very sane.

we all know joe whupped his kids asses, all of them not just michael.i think mj milked the abuse and lost childhood thing as a scapegoat to excuse some of his questionable behavior as an adult.marlon is only a year older than mj,and jermaine a couple years older, the fact is they all lost their childhoods because they all were onstage together, they traveled together,they did everything together back then. if you dont like the jacksons or you blame them for whatever issues mj had we get it,now can we please let it go.

according to the glenda tapes, not sure how real they are, joe told mj he looked "so black"

all the brothers i think insulted each other but mj at some point became too sensitive to it. also makes me sad that he used to call janet a cow. shes got some body dysmorphia goin too

All the evidence and available facts appoint in one different direction: he wanted money off of them. He saw an opportunity in them, and realized that he could become rich by exploiting their talent.

Look down at his offsprings? Joe Jackson was the one who looked down at his kids EVERYDAY. He was the one who constantly told Michael that he was "a nothing", that he was "ugly", that he was "too ugly to be" his son, that he had a "big nose", that he was "talentless". You claim that Joe didn't want people to look down at his sons, but the fact is that Joe was the one who did so ALL THE TIME. He was the one who looked down at them CONSTANTLY, he was the one who destroyed their self-esteem and he was the one who always told them that they were a "nothing". Joe wasn't interested with not having people looking down at his sons...he did it all time, everyday. He loved looking down at his sons. He loved verbally abusing Michael. He loved doing what he did everyday: looking down at his sons.
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dearmother said:

Suzanne de Passe said that, when Michael started becoming the most popular member of the group, the brothers started bullying him and verbally attacking him with REALLY mean-spirited insults.