Cinnie said:

Well yes, what else could they say? In all circumstances whether it's been The Beatles, The Supremes, The Temps, TCL or members of a family as Cinnie has noted, this usage is correct, proper

I kinda hate to bust some bubbles but Randy will always be an afterthought. When people think of the Jackson 5, The Jackson's period.. it will always be Michael, Jermaine, Marlon, Jackie and Tito. Like you, I'm aware of Randy's talents and his contribution to the group but he'll never be considered a spoke in that wheel. The little brother how played the bongos/congos in the background. No different than The Supremes... I bet if you ask most people to name The Supremes they would say, Diana Ross, Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard. I doubt if many could recall Cindy Birdsongs by name or even bother to say, 'Oh, yeah, Birdsong she replaced Ballard'. No, many if not most would name the orginal members'.

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Cindy Songbird was for Diana Ross....what Michelle Williams was for Beyonce Knowles.

If that makes sense.

TonyVanDam said:

Birdsong.

And I disagree. Jermiane was the x-factor of the J5, and Randy was the x-factor of The Jacksons. Their contributions is what distinguishes the two different eras.

Adisa said:

EDIT done!

TonyVanDam said:

Birdsong.

And I disagree. Jermiane was the x-factor of the J5, and Randy was the x-factor of The Jacksons. Their contributions is what distinguishes the two different eras.

TonyVanDam said:

a lot of posters on mj boards always talk about the deposition mj gave a couple of years ago wherein he seemed to accuse randy and another man of trying to pressure him into signing away the rights to the atv catalog. and that randy was directly responsible for the debacle of the employees not being paid at the ranch. and that randy's one of the family members who has been trying to get mj's will invalidated in order to get control.

do you know or have an opinion about these rumors?

Adisa said:

Then, explain, why did their solo careers sucked?

kibbles said:

I have. In fact, Randy did much more than that. Remember the money that disappeared from Michael's bank account, during he trial? Remember what Bria Oxman, who works for Randy, said? Remember what Mark Lester, who is friends with Randy, said? Remember that Randy wants to be an executor of the estate? Think about it. The Jacksons, with the exception of MJ, MJ's kids and 3T are trash. THey deserve to be despised and spat on.

MOL said:

Whoa.

MOL said:

Solo careers? Apples and oranges, now. And Jermaine's solo career sucking is a matter of opinion.

Adisa said:

Is someone losing reasonable lines of thought? Explain it to me. Come on!

MOL said:

Solo careers? Apples and oranges, now. And Jermaine's solo career sucking is a matter of opinion.

JackieBlue said:

Whoa???
Michael's brothers are self-serving sex addicts, deadbeat parents who couldn't care less about their children and women beaters who think women are inferior. Apart from leeching off of their brother's success and money, they have never worked a second in their lives and constantly fill for bankrupcy. These guys have no values, no morals. Damnit: Randy admitted, on court, that he didn't know he had 2 kids with Alejandra! They make babies and send them to Hayvenhurst without caring about them. Jermaine is a pervert who had sex with more women than Gene Simmons! Let's not start with Joe. The man is a devil.

Adisa said:

Jermaine had a very successful solo career. His self-titled 1984 album (with Dynamite, Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming, etc) was very successful. And as much attention as it got, I still think it deserved more. It was really his Thriller. He even had the song with a deep, spooky voice talking about a monster coming to get you, including a deep, evil laugh a la Vincent Price (Escape From The Planet Of The Ant Men). He had the classic duet or two (Take Good Care Of My Heart w/ Whitney, and Tell Me I'm Not Dreaming w/ MJ). He had the funk jam workout like "P.Y.T." buried on side 2 (Some Things Are Private). He had the slow ballad at the end, dedicated to a lady in his life (Oh Mother). He had a great "Billie Jean" R&B type song (Sweetest Sweetest). He had the classic "Human Nature" type ballad (Do What You Do, which was HUGE). He opened the album with a pop funk number like "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" (Dynamite). It's SO much like Thriller, yet so different. Now whether those similarities were intentional or not, only Jermaine knows.

Let's also not forget his earlier Motown material that was popular, like "Let's Get Serious" (with Stevie Wonder on it, and writing it, I think), and "Daddy's Home", and more. Even when he did "Word 2 The Badd", it got a LOT of media attention. For anyone to say his solo career sucked, is deaf.

No. Anyone who claims his career sucked is being realistic.

He had some good (only good!) songs. His duet with Whitney is far from being a classic and Tell I'm not Dreaming is a below average song. Dynamite is the obvious give-me-attention song: cheesy lyrics, cheesy video...cheesy song. Result? Below average. Some Things Are Private is an average song. Only! Sweetest Sweetest and Do what you do are normal songs which could have been done by any Jay Sean, Timberlake, Pink...

His Motown material isn't...well...his! Jermaine was falling into obscurity when Stevie Wonder made him a favor and produced his Let's Get Serious album. Wonder gave Jermaine hits like "Let's Get Serious".

"Word 2 The Badd" got attention because it was directed at Michael Jackson and everything that puts Michael Jackson in a pejorative light gets attention so Jermaine gets no credit. In fact, that was the only song from You Said that got attention and the reasons are quite obvious, don't you think? In fact, Jermaine did "Word to the badd" for two reasons (read his ex-wife's book): 1. Was blind by jealously and wanted the world to see his brother in an unflattering light.
2. Jermaine knew, ver well, that, by attacking Michael Jackson, he would get attention and publicity. Real Allgood's reviews or other reviews: "The album got attention because it had a song that attacked Michael since Jermaine has long faded."

Sorry! I'm not deaf...just realistic!

MOL said:

His Motown material isn't...well...his! Jermaine was falling into obscurity when Stevie Wonder made him a favor and produced his Let's Get Serious album. Wonder gave Jermaine hits like "Let's Get Serious".

"Word 2 The Badd" got attention because it was directed at Michael Jackson and everything that puts Michael Jackson in a pejorative light gets attention so Jermaine gets no credit. In fact, that was the only song from You Said that got attention and the reasons are quite obvious, don't you think? In fact, Jermaine did "Word to the badd" for two reasons (read his ex-wife's book): 1. Was blind by jealously and wanted the world to see his brother in an unflattering light.
2. Jermaine knew, ver well, that, by attacking Michael Jackson, he would get attention and publicity. Real Allgood's reviews or other reviews: "The album got attention because it had a song that attacked Michael since Jermaine has long faded."

Sorry! I'm not deaf...just realistic!

ernestsewell said:

Money? LOL. Jermaine has filled 7 times for bankrupcy and never had a cent in his post J5-life. The guy hasn't been able to pay child support for 30 years!!! In 2007, he told a judge, who was ruling the Alejandra- Jermaine battle, that he had been broke for 30 years. Margaret Maldonaldo paid his child support and complained constantly that her kids starved whenever they were dependent on Jermaine. Katherine would beg Berry Gordy to give her son money. She would tell Joe that Jermaine's girlfriends thought he had money but he had any. Jermaine doesn't have more than 5 dollars in his bank account! A year after the Victory tour, he filled for bankrupcy and, since then, he hasn't been able to put food in his table.

The charts? Jermaine had little success commercially.

Fans? Did you know that the fans used to buy his albums just because he was Michael's brother? In fact, he wasn't able to continue his solo career after "Word to The Badd" since his fans were, in fact, Michael's and would only buy his albums because he was related to Michael. 2300 Jackson street didn't sell a copy. You said didn't sell a copy. Berry Gordy refused to have Jermaine in his label (even when he was married to Hazel) due to poor sales.
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MOL said:

Well i own 2300 Jackson St. Several Jermaine albums, (If You Feel The Fire, His self-Titled album on vinyl, Dynamite etc) I've always loved Jermaine's voice and he's an excellent bassist too.

I'm not bothered about his personal life, aint none of my business.

i know as late as 2007 Jermaine had his brothers back from Big Brother and what he said about Mike, I know for fact he spoke out on the allegations on Mike, attended court on occassion in 2005 and was derided for stating it was a 'modern day lynching'. So what he has done post-MJ is totally within character. At the end of the day he's Mike's big brother.

I'm sure he and the rest of the family don't deserve to be spat on and despised, i'll tell you that for damn sure.

Marrk said:

Remember what Jermaine told his family after Michael was accused of paedophilia? "Fuck Michael. He's tarnishing the family's image.". Everyone knew that the allegations agaisnt Michael were the perfect time for Jermaine to be in the spotglight. Margaret said this: "Privately, Jermaine was blaming Michael and, a part of him, was happier than ever. In public, he gave interview after interview supporting his brother. He would [during the interviews] always be holding hands with our sons despite the fact that he refused to wish them happy birthday or even call them in Christmas. He was hounding the spotligth after Michael was accused. (...) He then flew with Joseph and Katherine to Bangkok. They were going to see Michael for the first time after the allegations. Jermaine had told the media that he was going to give his brother emotional support. What the media didn't know was that Michael's welfare was not on Jermaine's mind. In fact, Jermaine brought the Family Honors show contract with him, on his pocket. The first thing he did along with Joseph, when he saw Michael, was pressure him to appear on that show. He never bothered to ask how was Michael doing. He spent the 2 days in Bangkok pressuring his brother to appear on the "Jackson Family Honors". When he came back to America, Jermaine immediately gave an interview stating that his "little brother cried on his shoulder, thanking [him] for the support.". At home he would boast about the fact that he and Joseph were able to control Michael because he "was weak, more controllable.". Both Joseph and Jermaine were happier than ever. Once again, Michael was going to be their puppet.[extract from Maldonaldo's book].


What a good brother, uh?
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TonyVanDam said:

Birdsong.

And I disagree. Jermiane was the x-factor of the J5, and Randy was the x-factor of The Jacksons. Their contributions is what distinguishes the two different eras.

MOL said:

Of course Margaret didn't have an axe to grind did she? Unless Jermaine publically stated "a part of me is happier than ever", it's just what she thinks and will gain HER publicity to sell more copies of her book and sucker gullible folks.

If Jermaine truly wanted publicity back then, he'd have pulled a La Toya. But no, he publically SUPPORTED his brother. What he did behind closed doors, we don't really know. Only J Randy Taraborrelli's mystical 'Fly on the wall' powers could tell us, maybe Maldonaldo has them too, cause she sure wasn't in Bangkok.

I wonder about the possibilities of a new Jacksons album. There must be some old Michael vocal tracks lying around within the Jacksons possession. I know folks are interested in a 'new' MJ album, but this could be an option too.

Marrk said:

see, i think that would be disingenuous.

mj hadn't been part of that group in 20 years, no matter what jermaine says. mj supposedly has a creditor claim against his estate right now for studio use in vegas. was he in that studio with his brothers? no, he was working on HIS stuff. mj was a solo act when he died, and that should be respected, whether his family liked his choice or not.

i suppose i was alright with the whole backing vocals on 'this is it' (controversy aside), but i remember thinking, i hope they're not thinking this is going to become a trend. i don't think sony is going to go for a whole album of jackson brothers when they had the one they wanted under contract.

MOL said:

Of course Margaret didn't have an axe to grind did she? Unless Jermaine publically stated "a part of me is happier than ever", it's just what she thinks and will gain HER publicity to sell more copies of her book and sucker gullible folks.

If Jermaine truly wanted publicity back then, he'd have pulled a La Toya. But no, he publically SUPPORTED his brother. What he did behind closed doors, we don't really know. Only J Randy Taraborrelli's mystical 'Fly on the wall' powers could tell us, maybe Maldonaldo has them too, cause she sure wasn't in Bangkok.

Marrk said:

see, i think that would be disingenuous.

mj hadn't been part of that group in 20 years, no matter what jermaine says. mj supposedly has a creditor claim against his estate right now for studio use in vegas. was he in that studio with his brothers? no, he was working on HIS stuff. mj was a solo act when he died, and that should be respected, whether his family liked his choice or not.

i suppose i was alright with the whole backing vocals on 'this is it' (controversy aside), but i remember thinking, i hope they're not thinking this is going to become a trend. i don't think sony is going to go for a whole album of jackson brothers when they had the one they wanted under contract.

kibbles said:

I have. In fact, Randy did much more than that. Remember the money that disappeared from Michael's bank account, during he trial? Remember what Bria Oxman, who works for Randy, said? Remember what Mark Lester, who is friends with Randy, said? Remember that Randy wants to be an executor of the estate? Think about it. The Jacksons, with the exception of MJ, MJ's kids and 3T are trash. THey deserve to be despised and spat on.

kibbles said:

Hmm, i don't see anyone saying the new J5 album (and it is, make no mistake) is underhand, i don't see the difference personally.

Marrk said:

Jermaine would never pull a La Toya because he values the family's image too much.

Margaret said what Katherine told her. Besides, she saw the contract in Jermaine's pocket.

We don't know what happened behind close doors or you don't want to know what happened behind closed doors? Here's a man who, after receiving 450.000 bucks from Big Brother, told the judge that he couldn't afford to put food in his kid's table. Even after Alejandra having told the judge their kid starved, Jermaine continued refusing to pay his child support. Latoya also stated that Jermaine was incredible jealous of Michael and constantly pressured him to do what he (Jermaine) wanted. Jermaine is just like Joe.
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kibbles said:

Michael signed for the unreleased album "Humanity" in 1998 and had written songs for it though