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scriptgirl said: The Fat Boys-I'm thinking no
They were a groundbreaking group for hip hop. Big hits and mainstream rotation, had a movie, etc. But we have to remember this is not a hip hop hall of fame. | |
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Cinnie said: scriptgirl said: The Fat Boys-I'm thinking no
They were a groundbreaking group for hip hop. Big hits and mainstream rotation, had a movie, etc. But we have to remember this is not a hip hop hall of fame. They're not getting in. They're pretty much a novelty/comedy group. Hell, they did a song with Chubby freakin' Checker! Kid N Play ain't getting in, either for that same reason. JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Kid n Play was a joke "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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murph said: Rap/Hip Hop acts that will get in....
LL Cool J Tupac Notorious BIG Rakim only w/ Eric B NWA Jay Z De La Soul Salt & Pepa Public Enemy A Tribe Called Quest Beastie Boys Eminem I think these acts can count on eventual induction. To them, though, I'd add the Fat Boys, BDP (though not Kris as a solo act) and Hammer. And somehow I wouldn't be shocked if 2 Live Crew were begrudgingly given a nod. [Edited 12/6/09 12:19pm] Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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This isn't VH1 Hip Hop Honors, this is the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.
I don't expect that many rap acts to make it. | |
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Cinnie said: This isn't VH1 Hip Hop Honors, this is the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.
I don't expect that many rap acts to make it. I think it's pretty reasonable to assume they will over time. The Rock Hall has effectively become the Pop Hall, and popular music -- at least out of the U.S. -- has pretty much been shaped by hip hop since the late 80s. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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Lammastide said: Cinnie said: This isn't VH1 Hip Hop Honors, this is the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.
I don't expect that many rap acts to make it. I think it's pretty reasonable to assume they will over time. The Rock Hall has effectively become the Pop Hall, and popular music -- at least out of the U.S. -- has pretty much been shaped by hip hop since the late 80s. There are blues acts in the hall,so rap acts will be there also..Blues is Rock-N-Roll's daddy,Hip-Hop is it's little cousin. | |
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Why the hell to be people think the Fat Boys are getting into the God Damn Rock n Roll Hall of Fame?!?
They were a novelty act! JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Paris9748430 said: Why the hell to be people think the Fat Boys are getting into the God Damn Rock n Roll Hall of Fame?!?
They were a novelty act! I think (hope) they're joking.. | |
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Paris9748430 said: Why the hell to be people think the Fat Boys are getting into the God Damn Rock n Roll Hall of Fame?!?
They were a novelty act! lol.... | |
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Lammastide said: murph said: Rap/Hip Hop acts that will get in....
LL Cool J Tupac Notorious BIG Rakim only w/ Eric B NWA Jay Z De La Soul Salt & Pepa Public Enemy A Tribe Called Quest Beastie Boys Eminem I think these acts can count on eventual induction. To them, though, I'd add the Fat Boys, BDP (though not Kris as a solo act) and Hammer. And somehow I wouldn't be shocked if 2 Live Crew were begrudgingly given a nod. [Edited 12/6/09 12:19pm] You r crossing out OutKast, a hip hop act that won Album of The Year at the Grammy's and were the most critically acclaimed hip hop act of their era (with multi-platinum record sales to boot) and you want to add the Fat Boys and 2 Live Crew????.....lol I want what u r smoking.... [Edited 12/6/09 13:15pm] | |
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I don't want what that one dude is smoking..lol..and The Fugees had no longevity,just two great albums | |
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SavonOsco said: Paris9748430 said: Why the hell to be people think the Fat Boys are getting into the God Damn Rock n Roll Hall of Fame?!?
They were a novelty act! I think (hope) they're joking.. Not a joke at all. The Fat Boys may have been a "novelty act" for fans deeply into the genre before and after them, but for the world beyond them the Fat Boys were maybe THE introduction to hip hop. They had some of the earliest crossover hits and hip hop covers of old rock standards, mainstream Hollywood movies, even a Saturday morning cartoon. And for many people, they were the introduction not only to rap, but to beatboxing and the whole hip hop aesthetic back then (big glasses, fat laces, letter jackets, bling, etc.). Heck, I think I ever remember them on Donahue!  They might have been a joke, but they meant a lot to establishing the genre outside of the underground.[Edited 12/6/09 13:52pm] Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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murph said: Lammastide said: I think these acts can count on eventual induction. To them, though, I'd add the Fat Boys, BDP (though not Kris as a solo act) and Hammer. And somehow I wouldn't be shocked if 2 Live Crew were begrudgingly given a nod. [Edited 12/6/09 12:19pm] You r crossing out OutKast, a hip hop act that won Album of The Year at the Grammy's and were the most critically acclaimed hip hop act of their era (with multi-platinum record sales to boot) and you want to add the Fat Boys and 2 Live Crew????.....lol I want what u r smoking.... [Edited 12/6/09 13:15pm] It's not a matter of what I want (frankly, I couldn't care less ), it's the impact that the acts had on their genre, popular music or popular culture at large. The Fat Boys were among the first and biggest introduction of the genre to the world, 2 Live Crew sparked a nationwide debate -- to the point of being banned by a government body -- about censorship and popular music. The Love Below/Speakerboxx had some amazing crossover performance... so? And lots of folk made a big deal about how Andre dressed... so? Their stuff before was only heard of by hardcore fans, Idlewild (comparably) fizzled, and who's been talking about Andre since then? And who, besides real headz, ever really gave Big Boi any attention? I love Outkast, but I don't think they've had the kind of career legacy that induction committees usually look for. If they get inducted in their first year of eligibility, it'll be because it's a slow year otherwise, I'm thinking.[Edited 12/6/09 13:56pm] Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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And I should correct myself: The albums before The Love Below/Speakerboxx (well... at least Stankonia) did OK, and Idlewild didn't exaclty "fizzle." But certainly families weren't having conversation over dinner about them. [Edited 12/6/09 13:58pm] Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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Lammastide said: And I should correct myself: The albums before The Love Below/Speakerboxx (well... at least Stankonia) did OK, and Idlewild didn't exaclty "fizzle." But certainly families weren't having conversation over dinner about them.
[Edited 12/6/09 13:58pm] Huh????....All of those albums were platinum or better, with the exception of Idlewild (which was a soundtrack...).... I'm sure,famalies weren't having conversations about Patti Smith over dinner either...And she is in the R&R Hall...But I'm sure little Sue in Nebraska was getting asked by mom and dad just why the funny dressed guy (Andre 3000) and the Atlanta hood dude (Big Boi) were giving a speech for the biggest award as the Grammy's....lol [Edited 12/6/09 14:46pm] | |
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Lammastide said: SavonOsco said: I think (hope) they're joking.. Not a joke at all. The Fat Boys may have been a "novelty act" for fans deeply into the genre before and after them, but for the world beyond them the Fat Boys were maybe THE introduction to hip hop. They had some of the earliest crossover hits and hip hop covers of old rock standards, mainstream Hollywood movies, even a Saturday morning cartoon. And for many people, they were the introduction not only to rap, but to beatboxing and the whole hip hop aesthetic back then (big glasses, fat laces, letter jackets, bling, etc.). Heck, I think I ever remember them on Donahue! They might have been a joke, but they meant a lot to establishing the genre outside of the underground.
[Edited 12/6/09 13:52pm] I'm watching this game,so I'll make this quick..Not Hall of Fame worthy.. | |
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SavonOsco said: Lammastide said: Not a joke at all. The Fat Boys may have been a "novelty act" for fans deeply into the genre before and after them, but for the world beyond them the Fat Boys were maybe THE introduction to hip hop. They had some of the earliest crossover hits and hip hop covers of old rock standards, mainstream Hollywood movies, even a Saturday morning cartoon. And for many people, they were the introduction not only to rap, but to beatboxing and the whole hip hop aesthetic back then (big glasses, fat laces, letter jackets, bling, etc.). Heck, I think I ever remember them on Donahue! They might have been a joke, but they meant a lot to establishing the genre outside of the underground.
[Edited 12/6/09 13:52pm] I'm watching this game,so I'll make this quick..Not Hall of Fame worthy.. We should put money on it, bruh!!  Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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Lammastide said: murph said: You r crossing out OutKast, a hip hop act that won Album of The Year at the Grammy's and were the most critically acclaimed hip hop act of their era (with multi-platinum record sales to boot) and you want to add the Fat Boys and 2 Live Crew????.....lol I want what u r smoking.... [Edited 12/6/09 13:15pm] It's not a matter of what I want (frankly, I couldn't care less ), it's the impact that the acts had on their genre, popular music or popular culture at large. The Fat Boys were among the first and biggest introduction of the genre to the world, 2 Live Crew sparked a nationwide debate -- to the point of being banned by a government body -- about censorship and popular music. The Love Below/Speakerboxx had some amazing crossover performance... so? And lots of folk made a big deal about how Andre dressed... so? Their stuff before was only heard of by hardcore fans, Idlewild (comparably) fizzled, and who's been talking about Andre since then? And who, besides real headz, ever really gave Big Boi any attention? I love Outkast, but I don't think they've had the kind of career legacy that induction committees usually look for. If they get inducted in their first year of eligibility, it'll be because it's a slow year otherwise, I'm thinking.
[Edited 12/6/09 13:56pm] Outkast by the numbers (since you said the other albums before Love Below/Speakerbox did OK)....And yeah, you have to count singles as well.....No one (at least myself) is not saying OutKast is going in on the first ballot...lol...Hell, they may even need to make another album to solidify their legacy...But to act like they don't have the resume is just silly.... Here are the numbers... OUTKAST "SOUTHERNPLAYALISTICADILLACMUZIK" GOLD SINGLE ALBUM SOUTHERNPLAYALISTICADILLACMUZIK 04/05/1995 PLATINUM OUTKAST "ELEVATORS" GOLD SINGLE ATLIENS PLATINUM ALBUM OUTKAST AQUEMINI 2.00x MULTI PLATINUM ALBUM STANKONIA 3.00x MULTI PLATINUM ALBUM OUTKAST "B.O.B. / MS. JACKSON" GOLD SINGLE OUTKAST BIG BOI AND DRE PRESENT...OUTKAST (GREATEST HITS) PLATINUM ALBUM OUTKAST SPEAKERBOXXX / THE LOVE BELOW 11.00x MULTI PLATINUM ALBUM OUTKAST "THE WAY YOU MOVE / HEY YA!" GOLD SINGLE OUTKAST THE VIDEOS PLATINUM OUTKAST "THE WAY YOU MOVE / HEY YA!" SINGLE PLATINUM "THE WAY YOU MOVE" SINGLE GOLD OUTKAST "ROSES" GOLD SINGLE OUTKAST "MS. JACKSON" GOLD SINGLE OUTKAST IDLEWILD PLATINUM ALBUM OUTKAST "HEY YA!" PLATINUM | |
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murph said: Lammastide said: And I should correct myself: The albums before The Love Below/Speakerboxx (well... at least Stankonia) did OK, and Idlewild didn't exaclty "fizzle." But certainly families weren't having conversation over dinner about them.
[Edited 12/6/09 13:58pm] Huh????....All of those albums were platinum or better, with the exception of Idlewild (which was a soundtrack...).... I'm sure,famalies weren't having conversations about Patti Smith over dinner either...And she is in the R&R Hall...But I'm sure little Sue in Nebraska was getting asked by mom and dad just why the funny dressed guy (Andre 3000) and the Atlanta hood dude (Big Boi) were giving a speech for the biggest award as the Grammy's....lol [Edited 12/6/09 14:08pm] But those albums influenced very little outside of Southern hip hop.  And being a soundtrack is no excuse for Idlewild. They'd just come off a diamond seller ...and Purple Rain and Saturday Night Fever were soundtracks... and they were legendary!
Patti Smith, on the other hand, didn't just sell OK or dress funny, she was instrumental in shaping a genre... and has stuck around in all aspects of the music scene for over 30 years now. And even she wasn't inducted until 7 years after her eligibility. Unless folk really start jocking OutKast again, I just see that sort of thing -- at the very best -- for them too. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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murph said: Lammastide said: It's not a matter of what I want (frankly, I couldn't care less ), it's the impact that the acts had on their genre, popular music or popular culture at large. The Fat Boys were among the first and biggest introduction of the genre to the world, 2 Live Crew sparked a nationwide debate -- to the point of being banned by a government body -- about censorship and popular music. The Love Below/Speakerboxx had some amazing crossover performance... so? And lots of folk made a big deal about how Andre dressed... so? Their stuff before was only heard of by hardcore fans, Idlewild (comparably) fizzled, and who's been talking about Andre since then? And who, besides real headz, ever really gave Big Boi any attention? I love Outkast, but I don't think they've had the kind of career legacy that induction committees usually look for. If they get inducted in their first year of eligibility, it'll be because it's a slow year otherwise, I'm thinking.
[Edited 12/6/09 13:56pm] Outkast by the numbers (since you said the other albums before Love Below/Speakerbox did OK)....And yeah, you have to count singles as well.....No one (at least myself) is not saying OutKast is going in on the first ballot...lol...Hell, they may even need to make another album to solidify their legacy...But to act like they don't have the resume is just silly.... Here are the numbers... OUTKAST "SOUTHERNPLAYALISTICADILLACMUZIK" GOLD SINGLE ALBUM SOUTHERNPLAYALISTICADILLACMUZIK 04/05/1995 PLATINUM OUTKAST "ELEVATORS" GOLD SINGLE ATLIENS PLATINUM ALBUM OUTKAST AQUEMINI 2.00x MULTI PLATINUM ALBUM STANKONIA 3.00x MULTI PLATINUM ALBUM OUTKAST "B.O.B. / MS. JACKSON" GOLD SINGLE OUTKAST BIG BOI AND DRE PRESENT...OUTKAST (GREATEST HITS) PLATINUM ALBUM OUTKAST SPEAKERBOXXX / THE LOVE BELOW 11.00x MULTI PLATINUM ALBUM OUTKAST "THE WAY YOU MOVE / HEY YA!" GOLD SINGLE OUTKAST THE VIDEOS PLATINUM OUTKAST "THE WAY YOU MOVE / HEY YA!" SINGLE PLATINUM "THE WAY YOU MOVE" SINGLE GOLD OUTKAST "ROSES" GOLD SINGLE OUTKAST "MS. JACKSON" GOLD SINGLE OUTKAST IDLEWILD PLATINUM ALBUM OUTKAST "HEY YA!" PLATINUM Granted, they've sold OK. But have they really "defined" or "redefined" the genre?  I think that's the sort of thing induction committees look for.
In OutKast's support, though, I will say I was surprised to hear their songs being quoted on a few NPR shows (by folk who... uh... let's just say are quite outside of their assumed demographic.  ) But it's been years now. I think that sort of thing needs to stick.Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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Lammastide said: murph said: Huh????....All of those albums were platinum or better, with the exception of Idlewild (which was a soundtrack...).... I'm sure,famalies weren't having conversations about Patti Smith over dinner either...And she is in the R&R Hall...But I'm sure little Sue in Nebraska was getting asked by mom and dad just why the funny dressed guy (Andre 3000) and the Atlanta hood dude (Big Boi) were giving a speech for the biggest award as the Grammy's....lol [Edited 12/6/09 14:08pm] But those albums influenced very little outside of Southern hip hop. And being a soundtrack is no excuse for Idlewild. They'd just come off a diamond seller ...and Purple Rain and Saturday Night Fever were soundtracks... and they were legendary!
Patti Smith, on the other hand, didn't just sell OK or dress funny, she was instrumental in shaping a genre... and has stuck around in all aspects of the music scene for over 30 years now. And even she wasn't inducted until 7 years after her eligibility. Unless folk really start jocking OutKast again, I just see that sort of thing -- at the very best -- for them too. I'm just going by the game plan you are setting...You mentioned OutKast's commercial impact (other than Love Below/Speakerboxx) as not being noteworthy...We all know Patti's artistic influence and why she is in...But YOU can't have it both ways...lol You can't say famalies were not talking about a southern hip hop act who walked away with Album of the Year at the biggest music awards ceremony and then turn around and deflect the fact that Patti Smith was basically a critical darling who never even had a gold album... Again, WE know why Patti is in the Hall...She is a songwriter's songwriter...One of the first females to take control of that medium after Joni Mithcell....And she deserves it because she wrote some important songs.... But as you can see in my previous post with OutKast's overall numbers, the group were far from just getting love because Dre dressed funny...lol....The stats don't lie... | |
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murph said: Lammastide said: But those albums influenced very little outside of Southern hip hop. And being a soundtrack is no excuse for Idlewild. They'd just come off a diamond seller ...and Purple Rain and Saturday Night Fever were soundtracks... and they were legendary!
Patti Smith, on the other hand, didn't just sell OK or dress funny, she was instrumental in shaping a genre... and has stuck around in all aspects of the music scene for over 30 years now. And even she wasn't inducted until 7 years after her eligibility. Unless folk really start jocking OutKast again, I just see that sort of thing -- at the very best -- for them too. I'm just going by the game plan you are setting...You mentioned OutKast's commercial impact (other than Love Below/Speakerboxx) as not being noteworthy...We all know Patti's artistic influence and why she is in...But YOU can't have it both ways...lol You can't say famalies were not talking about a southern hip hop act who walked away with Album of the Year at the biggest music awards ceremony and then turn around and deflect the fact that Patti Smith was basically a critical darling who never even had a gold album... Again, WE know why Patti is in the Hall...She is a songwriter's songwriter...One of the first females to take control of that medium after Joni Mithcell....And she deserves it because she wrote some important songs.... But as you can see in my previous post with OutKast's overall numbers, the group were far from just getting love because Dre dressed funny...lol....The stats don't lie... I'll give you sales... begrudgingly.  [Edited 12/6/09 15:06pm] Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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Lammastide said: murph said: Outkast by the numbers (since you said the other albums before Love Below/Speakerbox did OK)....And yeah, you have to count singles as well.....No one (at least myself) is not saying OutKast is going in on the first ballot...lol...Hell, they may even need to make another album to solidify their legacy...But to act like they don't have the resume is just silly.... Here are the numbers... OUTKAST "SOUTHERNPLAYALISTICADILLACMUZIK" GOLD SINGLE ALBUM SOUTHERNPLAYALISTICADILLACMUZIK 04/05/1995 PLATINUM OUTKAST "ELEVATORS" GOLD SINGLE ATLIENS PLATINUM ALBUM OUTKAST AQUEMINI 2.00x MULTI PLATINUM ALBUM STANKONIA 3.00x MULTI PLATINUM ALBUM OUTKAST "B.O.B. / MS. JACKSON" GOLD SINGLE OUTKAST BIG BOI AND DRE PRESENT...OUTKAST (GREATEST HITS) PLATINUM ALBUM OUTKAST SPEAKERBOXXX / THE LOVE BELOW 11.00x MULTI PLATINUM ALBUM OUTKAST "THE WAY YOU MOVE / HEY YA!" GOLD SINGLE OUTKAST THE VIDEOS PLATINUM OUTKAST "THE WAY YOU MOVE / HEY YA!" SINGLE PLATINUM "THE WAY YOU MOVE" SINGLE GOLD OUTKAST "ROSES" GOLD SINGLE OUTKAST "MS. JACKSON" GOLD SINGLE OUTKAST IDLEWILD PLATINUM ALBUM OUTKAST "HEY YA!" PLATINUM Granted, they've sold OK. But have they really "defined" or "redefined" the genre? I think that's the sort of thing induction committees look for.
In OutKast's support, though, I will say I was surprised to hear their songs being quoted on a few NPR shows (by folk who... uh... let's just say are quite outside of their assumed demographic. ) But it's been years now. I think that sort of thing needs to stick.Now they just "sold OK"....lol And did they re-define their genre???...You got to be kidding me...lol Again, OutKast is far from a slam dunk to get in...My point was as a southern hip hop act who "redefined" what it meant to be a hip hop act (when you thought the the South, images of 2 Live Crew and early Geto Boyz came to mind...Basically. Outkast were the southern mirror image of De La Soul...An act that made music that was anything but formula...They took so many musical chances it wasn't even funny...), and who sold s shit load of albums; and were critical darlings, they definitely had a huge impact beyond their genre..... They may not even get in...But they def. have the resume..... It's all good... [Edited 12/6/09 15:11pm] | |
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Milty said: Graycap23 said: The Roots are a snore fest. Thee ONLY consideration from me would be KRS-1, maybe PE, Outkast and Run DMC. [Edited 12/3/09 9:35am] i would agree on your list except to remove Outkast and include The Beastie Boys Remove Outkast?  Better rethink that. |
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murph said: Lammastide said: Granted, they've sold OK. But have they really "defined" or "redefined" the genre? I think that's the sort of thing induction committees look for.
In OutKast's support, though, I will say I was surprised to hear their songs being quoted on a few NPR shows (by folk who... uh... let's just say are quite outside of their assumed demographic. ) But it's been years now. I think that sort of thing needs to stick.Now they are just "sold OK"....lol And did they re-define their genre???...You got to be kidding me...lol Again, OutKast is far from a slam dunk to get in...My point was as a southern hip hop act who "redefined" what it meant to be a hip hop act (when you thought the the South, images of 2 Live Crew and early Geto Boyz came to mind...Basically. Outkast were the southern mirror image of De La Soul...An act that made music that was anything but formula...They took so many musical chances it wasn't even funny...), and who sold s shit load of albums; and were critical darlings, they definitely had a huge impact beyond their genre..... They may not even get in...But they def. have the resume..... [Edited 12/6/09 15:07pm] I'm still not totally sold, but I can respect the way you've summed them up. Mind you, I don't think they're some forgettable fly-by-night act, but I'm just wondering if by their eligibility year (2019, right?), they'll have established a real, sticking career legacy that warrants induction. I wish them well, but I guess we'll have to watch and see. [Edited 12/6/09 15:13pm] Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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murph said: Rap/Hip Hop acts that will get in....
LL Cool J Tupac Notorious BIG Rakim Nas NWA Outkast Jay Z De La Soul Salt & Pepa Public Enemy A Tribe Called Quest Beastie Boys Eminem I doubt De La gets in. Everybody else will. Maybe it's a generational thing but I wouldn't put Jay Z, Biggie, and Eminem in the same league as these legends. Popularity seems to be mistaken for greatness sometimes. Besides, I couldn't put them in before Whodini, Big Daddy Kane, Kool Moe and Gangstarr. Yeah, I know Gangstarr has little to no shot of actually getting in.  [Edited 12/6/09 15:20pm] |
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