Vendetta1 said: lowkey said: so the rule is you cant comment on any artists if you are a major fan of an artist? i didnt see anybody mention beyonce's singing versus janet At the end of the day, it's all opinion. It is not fact that Beyonce is better than Madonna is better than Janet. wha-wha-WHAAT?? There is a difference... when I give an opinion, it happens to be fact * * *
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NoVideo said: midiscover said: Yes, because she yells, correct? I prefer Janet's meek voice to Beyonce's overbearing vocals and plus Janet pushed boundaries when she was on the come up and so did Madonna and I find it sad that you would compare Beyonce to Madonna. we'll see 20 years from now how apt the comparison is. I find her to be more of a pop culture icon then ever being a music icon. | |
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NoVideo said: Vendetta1 said: At the end of the day, it's all opinion. It is not fact that Beyonce is better than Madonna is better than Janet. wha-wha-WHAAT?? There is a difference... when I give an opinion, it happens to be fact I never understand how some of these conversations go. I do appreciate that you didn't rip me to shreds over B. Some fans of other artists can't take any criticism of their fav artist at all. | |
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20 years from now we WILL hear "Crazy In Love". It's a classic, just face it.
As far as her being artist of the decade, she's among them, but she's not the sole artist on top. | |
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lowkey said: maybe they should have named her the salesperson of the decade. im just wondering what is this person basing his/her opinion on. she hasnt sold the most records, she didnt have the biggest tours, the didnt have the top album in any of the years this decade did she? what exactly has she done to have this great honor bestowed upon her.
I would definitely call her the Artist of the Decade (even if it's begrudgingly so). She is the only artist who has consistently put out any material over the last ten years which has sold well, been played everywhere, and had a huge live following all at the same time. There were others who could have stepped up to be the Artist of the Decade, but they either faltered somewhere or put out stuff too sparingly to make an impact. Cases in point: Eminem: He was by far the most popular and critically acclaimed artist of the first half of the decade, even as he was pushing the envelope. But the pressure got to him, and he went on a sabbatical in 2005, which was further extended after the murder of his D12 group mate and best friend Proof. When he returned earlier this year, his album was met with mixed reviews, and a lot of tracks seemed to be repeating past glories. Justin Timberlake: He could seriously be considered the Artist of the Decade, as he had two huge albums with 'Nsync at the beginning of the decade and two huge solo albums, but he decided to go Hollywood and focus on his acting career towards the last few years of the decade. Christina Aguilera: Probably the only other diva who could rival Beyonce not only in hit power, but great lyrics and an amazing yet versatile voice which could belt out melodies like Whitney and Mariah yet also sing funk, rock, and smooth jazzy interpretations without missing a beat. But she suffers from having only released two albums this decade. Alicia Keys: She could have rivaled Beyonce, but her third album underperformed. In addition, she's more known as a musician than as an entertainer. Britney Spears: She's still the ultimate pop diva, and despite having nearly as many hit singles as Beyonce, millions of albums sold, and sellout tours, her personal life became more celebrated than her music. Usher, Outkast: Both of these artists had two huge albums to start out the decade which sold millions, won critical acclaim, and tons of awards, but their follow-up albums flopped miserably. Kanye West: He's the flip side of Eminem. What Eminem did in the first half of the decade, Kanye did in the second half. But his antics began to overshadow his music, and he is apparently taking an extended break. Nickelback: I would give them the Celine Dion Award for the most popular artist no one will admit to liking. Mariah Carey: While she could arguably be called the Artist of the Decade for the 1990's, she took some hits this decade. Rainbow underperformed, Glitter was a fiasco that led her to a nervous breakdown (though the actual album/soundtrack is quite underrated), and Charmbracelet, E=MC2, and Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel left fans and listeners cold. She did have a huge comeback album with The Emancipation of Mimi though. [Edited 11/30/09 20:13pm] | |
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Vendetta1 said: NoVideo said: wha-wha-WHAAT?? There is a difference... when I give an opinion, it happens to be fact I never understand how some of these conversations go. I do appreciate that you didn't rip me to shreds over B. Some fans of other artists can't take any criticism of their fav artist at all. i live with someone who hates a good percentage of the music i play, so ya sorta need to have a thick skin, lol but as for beyonce, she is by no means my favorite artist, or close to it.. But I do think she's enormously talented. I was a reluctant convert but when I saw her live it really bolstered my opinion of her. * * *
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midiscover said: Paris9748430 said: For fuck's sake, they call EVERYBODY in the music business "artists" By your standards, if not writing your own songs means you're not an artists, then that means the following people aren't. And the lady in your avatar shouldn't be considered an "Artist", either. Hell, I could make a case for Beyonce being much more of an "Artist" than her, because at least B sings live!!! Girl, SIT DOWNE!! I don't know why you'll dragging Janet into this mess!!! and Janet sings live at times. I just don't find anything creative or innovative about Beyonce's music. Her performance antics are exactly Tina Turner's but ungraceful. "At Times" God Damn, that was the best you could come up with??? I'm not a huge fan. Hell, I don't even own any of her albums. But folks here who claim they can't stand her, hang from her clit more than any "Stan" I've seen!!! BTW, I'm a Dude. JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Paris9748430 said: midiscover said: Girl, SIT DOWNE!! I don't know why you'll dragging Janet into this mess!!! and Janet sings live at times. I just don't find anything creative or innovative about Beyonce's music. Her performance antics are exactly Tina Turner's but ungraceful. "At Times" God Damn, that was the best you could come up with??? I'm not a huge fan. Hell, I don't even own any of her albums. But folks here who claim they can't stand her, hang from her clit more than any "Stan" I've seen!!! BTW, I'm a Dude. Bey also uses pre-recorded vocals too. At the end of the day, Bey is a hard worker and I love her work ethic, however I just don't feel she deserves to be called "artist of the decade" | |
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Paris9748430 said: midiscover said: Girl, SIT DOWNE!! I don't know why you'll dragging Janet into this mess!!! and Janet sings live at times. I just don't find anything creative or innovative about Beyonce's music. Her performance antics are exactly Tina Turner's but ungraceful. "At Times" God Damn, that was the best you could come up with??? I'm not a huge fan. Hell, I don't even own any of her albums. But folks here who claim they can't stand her, hang from her clit more than any "Stan" I've seen!!! BTW, I'm a Dude. Yea, at times as in when she's not dancing so hard. I'm not a fan either, just sharing my opinion. Is their problem, dude? | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: Paris9748430 said: "At Times" God Damn, that was the best you could come up with??? I'm not a huge fan. Hell, I don't even own any of her albums. But folks here who claim they can't stand her, hang from her clit more than any "Stan" I've seen!!! BTW, I'm a Dude. Bey also uses pre-recorded vocals too. At the end of the day, Bey is a hard worker and I love her work ethic, however I just don't feel she deserves to be called "artist of the decade" I can think of a few people who would deserve it too. I don't think anyone else deserves it more than her, either. JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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Paris9748430 said: ViintageJunkiie said: Bey also uses pre-recorded vocals too. At the end of the day, Bey is a hard worker and I love her work ethic, however I just don't feel she deserves to be called "artist of the decade" I can think of a few people who would deserve it too. I don't think anyone else deserves it more than her, either. I can think of plenty of people also, but Bey isn't one of them. She hasn't contributed to music in no kind of way. I love her tho | |
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Paris9748430 said: midiscover said: Girl, SIT DOWNE!! I don't know why you'll dragging Janet into this mess!!! and Janet sings live at times. I just don't find anything creative or innovative about Beyonce's music. Her performance antics are exactly Tina Turner's but ungraceful. "At Times" God Damn, that was the best you could come up with??? I'm not a huge fan. Hell, I don't even own any of her albums. But folks here who claim they can't stand her, hang from her clit more than any "Stan" I've seen!!! BTW, I'm a Dude. Bey lip-syncs at times too. You'd be surprised at how many artist you wouldn't expect lip-sync from time to time. Anyway, to me being an artist means being involved with the creative process of the music. Since Beyonce doesn't write shit or produce shit, she shouldn't be called an artist. | |
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Layzie said: Paris9748430 said: "At Times" God Damn, that was the best you could come up with??? I'm not a huge fan. Hell, I don't even own any of her albums. But folks here who claim they can't stand her, hang from her clit more than any "Stan" I've seen!!! BTW, I'm a Dude. Bey lip-syncs at times too. You'd be surprised at how many artist you wouldn't expect lip-sync from time to time. Anyway, to me being an artist means being involved with the creative process of the music. Since Beyonce doesn't write shit or produce shit, she shouldn't be called an artist. Bey lip-syncs more than people think she does but you can't tell them that | |
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Paris9748430 said: midiscover said: Honestly, it's not. I believe Beyonce and her camp WANTED it to be a cultural phenomenon. So they went to great lengths and organized a Right, it had no cultral impact at all. I mean, it's not like there's thousands and thousands of copycat and parody videos of that song on Youtube or anything like that. NO cultural impact at all!!! if I see one more gay man dancing to that video, Imma have to choke a bitch like Wayne Brady! and still no else worked their hustle and dominated like Beyonce, so yeah she gets the award by default. Sorry, bitches.... | |
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If you base it on Popularity, possibly. But in terms of "artist" i would go with either Norah Jones or Ryan Adams or pssibly Alison Krauss. Norah mainly because no one has worked with more varied artists in this decade, and no one has done it better. Ryan and Alison for the quality output. Beyonce would be the Most popular of the decade, "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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PurpleDiamond2009 said: who do you think should have won the title?
Kylie Minogue (?) She is THE only other artist that has major success in the 2000's NOT named Beyonce. | |
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TonyVanDam said: PurpleDiamond2009 said: who do you think should have won the title?
Kylie Minogue (?) She is THE only other artist that has major success in the 2000's NOT named Beyonce. Does the artist of the decade have to have "success" and actually if we stick on that Norah Jones is the second biggest selling female artist out. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: TonyVanDam said: Kylie Minogue (?) She is THE only other artist that has major success in the 2000's NOT named Beyonce. Does the artist of the decade have to have "success" and actually if we stick on that Norah Jones is the second biggest selling female artist out. An artist had to be the most dominating force within a specific decade. 1960's -- The Beatles (as a band) 1970's -- Stevie Wonder (we can have a great argument about including Elton John, The Bee Gees & Donna Summers) 1980's -- Michael Jackson 1990's -- Mariah Carey (but the same thing can be said about Shania Twain and/or Celine Dion) 2000's -- Beyonce (?), Kylie Minogue (?), _____. Do you see how difficult it is to figure out THE artist for certain decades?!? [Edited 11/30/09 21:59pm] | |
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NoVideo said: is someone who staunchly defends Janet *really* spending all this time dissing Beyonce?
I hate to break it to you... I love Janet, but Beyonce could sing her under the table every day of the week and 3 times on Sunday. .... "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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ViintageJunkiie said: Paris9748430 said: "At Times" God Damn, that was the best you could come up with??? I'm not a huge fan. Hell, I don't even own any of her albums. But folks here who claim they can't stand her, hang from her clit more than any "Stan" I've seen!!! BTW, I'm a Dude. Bey also uses pre-recorded vocals too. At the end of the day, Bey is a hard worker and I love her work ethic, however I just don't feel she deserves to be called "artist of the decade" Then who does? Certainly not any other performer listed in this thread so far. "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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HonestMan13 said: Beyonce has an exceptional voice and is extremely talented. She also has horrible songs that will not age well and spends too much time showing off her body for attention. It's hot right now but what about in 20 years. She should spend more time picking better songs for her projects and crating a lasting legacy of great music not just flavor of the moment tracks that get props on YouTube.
I agree with this. Beyonce is definitely talented- she's a great vocalist and performer, but the majority of her music is forgettable. I only like "Crazy In Love", "Irreplaceable", "Me, Myself & I" and "Single Ladies". The rest I really think is crap. If Beyonce made better music, she'd be the total package imo. "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ
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Cinnamon234 said: HonestMan13 said: Beyonce has an exceptional voice and is extremely talented. She also has horrible songs that will not age well and spends too much time showing off her body for attention. It's hot right now but what about in 20 years. She should spend more time picking better songs for her projects and crating a lasting legacy of great music not just flavor of the moment tracks that get props on YouTube.
I agree with this. Beyonce is definitely talented- she's a great vocalist and performer, but the majority of her music is forgettable. I only like "Crazy In Love", "Irreplaceable", "Me, Myself & I" and "Single Ladies". The rest I really think is crap. If Beyonce made better music, she'd be the total package imo. Those are great songs. I also really enjoy: - "Halo" - "Sweet Dreams" (the original pre-album version) - "Woman Like Me" - "Speechless" - "Listen" - "Flaws and All" - "That's Why You're Beautiful" - "Signs" - "If I Were A Boy" - "Deja Vu" - "Freakum Dress" - "Upgrade U" - "Scared of Lonely" "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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WaterInYourBath said: ViintageJunkiie said: Bey also uses pre-recorded vocals too. At the end of the day, Bey is a hard worker and I love her work ethic, however I just don't feel she deserves to be called "artist of the decade" Then who does? Certainly not any other performer listed in this thread so far. Never said ANY of these artists mentioned in this thread deserved it and the route music as a whole seems to be taking, I don't see anyone actually living up to the title. I'm still waiting on someone to name some things that she contributed to music that's so extraordinary. | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: WaterInYourBath said: Then who does? Certainly not any other performer listed in this thread so far. Never said ANY of these artists mentioned in this thread deserved it and the route music as a whole seems to be taking, I don't see anyone actually living up to the title. I'm still waiting on someone to name some things that she contributed to music that's so extraordinary. If you've been listening to the radio, or been watching any Music Video channel you can see and hear her impact. You can always tell a person's impact because of the people copying them. There are so many "Wanna Beyonces" out there who hit the scene after 2000 Beyonce came into the mainstream. Singing like her, Sounding like her, Looking like her, and Dancing like her. Like in the early/mid 80's and there were so many acts that pretty much copied Prince. Ready for the World, Shalamar, Georgio, etc. Of course her impact and contributions to music aren't nearly as big as Prince's, and I'm not comparing the 2. I'm just saying that they both had a lot of imitators after they became big. They're still gonna be playing Crazy in Love 10 years from now in clubs and every chick there is gonna do the Uh-Oh Booty Shake. JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: WaterInYourBath said: Then who does? Certainly not any other performer listed in this thread so far. Never said ANY of these artists mentioned in this thread deserved it and the route music as a whole seems to be taking, I don't see anyone actually living up to the title. I'm still waiting on someone to name some things that she contributed to music that's so extraordinary. I totally understand THAT sentiment. Everyone's trying to be like MJ, but that will not happen. Apparently, it is very difficult to be innovative and contribute anything new to music/video these days because of the standards set in the 80s and 90s. However, as far as Pop artists are concerned, Beyonce is the best performer of the last 10 years, no matter how unimpressive that may be to most people here. Maybe it's because her competition is lame, I don't know. I mean, no, she does not play an instrument. No, she is not a prolific song writer. But she's a power-vocalist who can dance adeptly, sing live, and control a stage better than anyone else in her genre of music/video right now, so until someone better comes along, she's got this title locked down. "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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Paris9748430 said: They're still gonna be playing Crazy in Love 10 years from now in clubs and every chick there is gonna do the Uh-Oh Booty Shake.
No they won't,,,,they won't play that get me bodied!/To the left! to the left! shit either | |
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and emerged as our last true star.
I hate that. What, did we get an official end date on the world? Who says she's our last and why is SHE our last? | |
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Well, considering how uber mega famous Beyoncé is and how much we've heard and seen her and all the things she's done, I think she's worthy of the title. | |
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The world is doomed when people call a song like Crazy In Love a classic. | |
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80's top female artist Madonna-sex sells, but can't sing to save her soul!
90's top female artist Mariah-sings awesome, can't move to save her soul 00's top female artist Beyonce-sex sells and can sing too....it's only logical! [Edited 12/1/09 6:39am] | |
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