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PrintableHe's pretty...like girl pretty which was all that I really noticed throughout that performance to be totally honest. I actually thought the performance was funny, but far from groundbreaking and controversial. He's a gay man who made out with another man and had one of his male dancers fake fellatio on him...so what? The performance wasn't exactly 'Brokeback Mountain' shocking to me, but that's just me. Prince Rogers Nelson
Sunrise: June 7, 1958 Sunset: April 21, 2016 ~My Heart Loudly Weeps "My Creativity Is My Life." ~ Prince Life is merely a dress rehearsal for eternity. | |
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sosgemini said: lastdecember said: No i dont buy that excuse on the Ellen show, they got alot of negative feedback on the show, and even if the ratings were the issue, why was she "blacklisted" industry wide? The same thing is what they said about Bill Maher when he was on ABC and right after 9/11 he made a comment that was more or less "that the terrorists were not cowards that we were for lobbing in missiles from 2,000 miles away" he was agreeing with this statement which was true. ABC cancelled Politically Incorrect shortly after, it blamed it on ratings slipping, which when looked at was not the case, they caved to pressure to let him go for his views. Did Ellen herself say she was blacklisted? How can one be blacklisted and get another sitcom a few years later? And then a hit talk show...doesn't add up in my book. I will concede your point on Maher but the circumstances between the two situations are totally different. The aftermath of 9/11, handled by the Bush Admin, was a truly horrible time for the US. Well she worked her way back into things and i think people generally liked her anyway and it all became accepted after time. I mean people think Elton is a crazy great now but if he went on a talk show in the 70's and 80's and said "oh im so anal" he wouldnt get a laugh, he get pulled from the show, ask the Bee Gees about getting blacklisted because Disco was viewed as the "gay music" and "hidden racism" on that whole thing, but they were actually banned from radio stations, they used to have "Bee Gee Free days" i mean can u imagine the fucking letter writing campaign if a radio station did that to Beyonce? "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Because americans are hypocrites maybe?  | |
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sassy33 said: My aim was to explain the broader context of what intolerance there has been and remains.
Gotcha. What you were discussing was racism & perceptions of Black masculinity. What needs to be stressed still though is that regardless of effects of racism on Black masculinity, homophobia (unfortunately) is universal. Again, I agree. As are homosexuality and bisexuality, though the "DL" phenomenon is continually treated like a black thing. | |
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sassy33 said: Homosexuality is most commonly viewed negatively by blacks because of our deep associations with the church,
No. It's not. To simply say blacks are intolerant of homosexuality -- without at least acknowledging historic factors that have influenced intolerance (which is not to defend that or any other intolerance) -- perpetuates the vacuous implication that blacks are somehow inherently or irrationally homophobic.
And again. Black People are no more homophobic than any other race of people. I will never understand how any black people are homophobic, period. | |
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Do white churches preach against it as much as black churches?
One word. MORMONS. Is there as much homophobia in pop music as there is in hip hop?
Yep. Hell, even if we were to take a look at the comments in this forum and break them down by who said them, it'd be most black people.
Given mostly Black People post here it wouldn't be surprising. The majority of black people I know have something negative to say about gay people.
The majority of Black People YOU know. That says it all. I will never understand how any black people are homophobic, period.[/quote] | |
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sassy33 said: Do white churches preach against it as much as black churches?
One word. MORMONS. The majority of Black People YOU know. That says it all. I will never understand how any black people are homophobic, period. And, of course I was speaking about the black people I know but it's a big enough sample to know homophobia when I see it. And I don't think for 2 seconds the majority of people who post here are black. But whatever. | |
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sosgemini said: (
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So, I am getting into this really heated debate with a young gay activist over Adam Lambert. He feels that Lambert's overt display of sexuality makes him groundbreaking while I consider his behavior more akin to a Madonna media stunt and use Elton John, David Bowie and George Michael as examples of groundbreaking lgbt men who actually concentrated on artistry versus media antics. What say thee org? Is Lambert a queer groundbreaker or just a poser? I thought exactly the same thing in that Madonna had already done these kinds of sexually provactive acts many times on stage throughout her career. Also Mick Jagger in the seventies would on occasion(s) ride atop a massive phallic shape balloon during the Stones' 'Black and Blue' album tours. | |
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Can you show me where pop music puts homophobia in their music?
And I don't think for 2 seconds the majority of people who post here are black.
Of course not. That would mean you actually dealing with reality. [Edited 11/28/09 16:37pm] | |
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sassy33 said: Can you show me where pop music puts homophobia in their music?
And I don't think for 2 seconds the majority of people who post here are black.
Of course not. That would mean you actually dealing with reality. [Edited 11/28/09 16:37pm] | |
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Hey, didn't Dave Navarro tongue Anthony Kedis during an VMA show? Dave outed himself as Bi...he's part of the LGBT community too...or did he denounce his past? Space for sale... | |
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Personal insults. Good to know YOU really know how to debate.
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sosgemini said: Hey, didn't Dave Navarro tongue Anthony Kedis during an VMA show? Dave outed himself as Bi...he's part of the LGBT community too...or did he denounce his past?
Dave doesn't talk about it as much as he used to. But he's still bisexual. His ex-wife Carman Electra is still bisexual as well. | |
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