What with the who now?

This entire thread is relevant how?




That's a question you should be asking yourself.




Hmm indeed.



Don't confuse my amusement at your lack of basic critical thinking skills with being overly involved in making you look like a moron.

You do that perfectly well on your own.
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lazycrockett said:

Exactly. Although I'd say it's rarely seen in ANY country, not just America.

All derived from your It's all about who one CHOOSES to listen to comment.



Why? You don't see me twisting your words to make a point.



Oh, we're calling names now? Fabulous!

Take my word for it, if there's anybody who appeared to be slow with a serious reading handicap on this side of equation, it was you. I couldn't be any CLEARER

And whats really amusing is, all the mind games trickery you were pulling couldn't fog that,,,,,nice try though
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Who's twisting words?



Making salient observations & calling names? Two different things.



...Right.

Keep tellin yourself that sweet sugar dumpling.



Girl Bye!
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lastdecember said:

But Ellen did get her own daytime show. For anything, "coming out" actually saved her career a lot more than ruining it.

TonyVanDam said:

Woo not at the beginning, after she came out her show was canceled her next show was axed. It took Ellen bout 5 to 7 years to recover and even now on her talk show she plays the lesbian shit way down.

lazycrockett said:

Fair enough. But Ellen looking straight at Christina's post-giving birth breasts isn't exactly playing the lesbian thing down. And also, Ellen did bring her wife Portia de Rossi on the show once before.

Just a mimic

Even Adam is like "what's the big deal?" He's moving on but I guess folks wanna make an example oh well. I really like Adam so no biggie.

I really don't see what the big deal was over what he did, he was just being an artist. People forget what century we're living in.

alphastreet said:

Try tell that to the Bible Belt region.

TonyVanDam said:

Yeah but Ellen lost her TV show which was a hit at the time for a "kiss", i mean can u imagine the craziness if Adam lost his "conctract" with his label? Ellen was more than blacklisted for her coming out, she also had VERY few in the industry that would back her, kind of like PRINCE when he wrote SLAVE on his face.

lastdecember said:

I disagree with this...Ellen lost her show because it returned to being the muddled mess it originally started off as. Don't forget that people tuned in to see what the show as all about and the ratings increased up to the big "reveal"...it wasn't until the writing started to suck that the ratings started it's inevitable nosedive. Heck, Roseanna added Sandra Bernhardt to it's cast and the ratings didn't nosedive...well, until, once again, the writing started to suck.

Lambert isn't event giving himself the chance to grow into talent. He just jumped into the "stunt mode" without having well crafted art to hold him afloat...IMHO.

sosgemini said:

if Britney had started off with something like that, instead of the eventual build into a super skank she'd probly be perceived alot different right now. instead this

turning into this

sosgemini said:

Adam knew EXACTLY what he was trying to do. He was looking to shock some people just so everyone can talk about him. These days, having great talent is no longer enough to reach mainstream success in pop culture.

Just ask Lady GaGa what it was like to be know only for her talent on an underground level right BEFORE she had to take her image to new extremes to reach mainstream success.

sosgemini said:

No i dont buy that excuse on the Ellen show, they got alot of negative feedback on the show, and even if the ratings were the issue, why was she "blacklisted" industry wide? The same thing is what they said about Bill Maher when he was on ABC and right after 9/11 he made a comment that was more or less "that the terrorists were not cowards that we were for lobbing in missiles from 2,000 miles away" he was agreeing with this statement which was true. ABC cancelled Politically Incorrect shortly after, it blamed it on ratings slipping, which when looked at was not the case, they caved to pressure to let him go for his views.

As for Lambert growing into an artist, it cant happen, he was constructed by a show that pulls the strings, if he is still here after 5 albums and isnt doing things to just shock you to get notice, then maybe i can say he is showing signs of being an artist, but he is light years from that status.
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lastdecember said:

I agree with you alot, but don't completely count him out, go ahead and laugh at me but Kelly has come quite a long way.

RKJCNE said:

Yeah i dont really like Kelly but i give her cred for standing up to her label at one point though she did back down later on. I think AI has brought forward some good talent at times, but, its when they turn them out into the industry that AI doesnt have the right vision. I think one of the best things to come from this show is Katharine Mcphee, amazing voice and great range. now since she was runner up she was under the AI contract so basically they molded the image, the sound the songs, though she did write a few. But they wanted her to be this sexy pop/rb singer, they felt they had her with her looks, plus she could sing, so they brought in the producers of the day, and it really did not work. But lucky for her people saw through it, and when she wasnt picked up by her label at the time BMG, she got picked up by VERVE and now is being touted by the likes of Andrea Boccelli to duet with. So who knows. But then again she didnt really pull any shocking performances at shows.

lastdecember said:

Very true, AI doesn't seem to know what to do with their winners at all, Reuban, Fantasia, etc. even Jordin Spark's career is headed no where. Its only the ones that branch out like Carrie going into country or Kelly going her own direction after that dreadful debut. The only reason I think Adam has a better shot at be successful is he sort of seems like a loose canon unlike Kris who I doubt is headed anywhere.

musicjunky318 said:

Well if girlfriend isn't out yet, she sure will be soon.

We're putting this much thought into this dude?

bboy87 said:

what,would you rather have the umpteenth thread on mj,madonna or janet?

I think it was purely a stunt. Whether it succeeds in getting Lambert categorized more concretely as a "gay artist" as opposed to a music artist or AI artist will become clearer with time.

I say this because it's been touched upon with insufficient context (IMO): Homosexuality is most commonly viewed negatively by blacks because of our deep associations with the church, 'tis true. But the context is deeper than that.

In the lynchings of black men that were so prevalent, it was a common practice to castrate them. It would be incomplete to assert that the obsession with black heterosexuality was exclusive to blacks, when clearly the sexual identity of black males weighed on the minds of white America to some extent. As a result of that violent, oppressive climate, one reaction by blacks was to focus on concepts of strength, survival and perpetuity. On two levels, learning that your son or nephew was gay, within that context, was seen as a negative (in addition to longtime biblical teachings on the subject).

To simply say blacks are intolerant of homosexuality -- without at least acknowledging historic factors that have influenced intolerance (which is not to defend that or any other intolerance) -- perpetuates the vacuous implication that blacks are somehow inherently or irrationally homophobic.

No.

It's not.



And again.

Black People are no more homophobic than any other race of people.

sassy33 said:

I've said this many times over, here on the Org. If my post implies otherwise, it's my error. I was sure my last sentence made that clear.

My aim was to explain the broader context of what intolerance there has been and remains.

lastdecember said:

Did Ellen herself say she was blacklisted? How can one be blacklisted and get another sitcom a few years later? And then a hit talk show...doesn't add up in my book.

I will concede your point on Maher but the circumstances between the two situations are totally different. The aftermath of 9/11, handled by the Bush Admin, was a truly horrible time for the US.

Gotcha.

What you were discussing was racism & perceptions of Black masculinity.

What needs to be stressed still though is that regardless of effects of racism on Black masculinity, homophobia (unfortunately) is universal.

sosgemini said:

yeah!

Timmy84 said: