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Lets talk about JAZZ MUSIC Miles Davis was (and still is) my favorite artist. I saw Dude at least 10 times throughout the 80s. Last Miles show I saw was at Avery Fisher Music Hall/Lincoln Center. And Wynton Marsalis opened up for him. This was significant because of the spats between both back then. It was like the Rap Wars of today.
I sat my Black-ASS in first row for that show. So close, I could see Dude's name inscripted on his horn. People freaked when he actually "went back", and did "SUMMERTIME" The thing that bothers me now about Jazz is the fact that Whites (domestic and foreign) are being heavily promoted as the music's saviors. But I really blame this more on US Black folks than them. I let Euros slide because they've always had deep respect for the music. Most young Black folks act like an instrument is cancer. When you think of all the Black Jazz (and even old-school R&B) musicians had to Fuckin' scraped to get an instrument. And practiced on that shit like no tommorrow. You can spent between $200-$600 on sneakers, x-Box, and PS3. But not an instrument? Fucked-Up priorities. Today's Black kids (not generalizing) have no sense of artisitc/cultural struggle. How those struggles help one perfect their craft/gift. Meanwhile, when I was living in Oregon, all these White kids were practicing their instruments. Whether at home or school. No matter whether it was Grunge or Jazz. And there are tons of White kids playing Jazz in the Pacific NW. Sorry for my soapbox. But this shit bugs me 'til no end. Reply With Quote | |
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I came here thinking this was an appreciation thread..but it seems you just wanted to vent more than anything.I see all of these awesome marching bands at black colleges and laugh at your black kids treat instruments like it's cancer comment.It's too easy to start taking your comments and breaking them down to show your ulterior motive.Look..if you want to talk about Monk,Miles,Train, even Wayne Shorter or James Newton..I'm with it,but after reading some of these threads today..I'm tired of the "I'm tired of black people today" angle... | |
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you're talking in circles here and really not making much sense I can try and see where you are coming from. But from what I am seeing is that you're pulling a race card on your own people. | |
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purplemansionFL said: Miles Davis was (and still is) my favorite artist. I saw Dude at least 10 times throughout the 80s. Last Miles show I saw was at Avery Fisher Music Hall/Lincoln Center. And Wynton Marsalis opened up for him. This was significant because of the spats between both back then. It was like the Rap Wars of today.
I sat my Black-ASS in first row for that show. So close, I could see Dude's name inscripted on his horn. People freaked when he actually "went back", and did "SUMMERTIME" The thing that bothers me now about Jazz is the fact that Whites (domestic and foreign) are being heavily promoted as the music's saviors. But I really blame this more on US Black folks than them. I let Euros slide because they've always had deep respect for the music. Most young Black folks act like an instrument is cancer. When you think of all the Black Jazz (and even old-school R&B) musicians had to Fuckin' scraped to get an instrument. And practiced on that shit like no tommorrow. You can spent between $200-$600 on sneakers, x-Box, and PS3. But not an instrument? Fucked-Up priorities. Today's Black kids (not generalizing) have no sense of artisitc/cultural struggle. How those struggles help one perfect their craft/gift. Meanwhile, when I was living in Oregon, all these White kids were practicing their instruments. Whether at home or school. No matter whether it was Grunge or Jazz. And there are tons of White kids playing Jazz in the Pacific NW. Sorry for my soapbox. But this shit bugs me 'til no end. Reply With Quote Well, that's not my experience here in Detroit. I know you're not generalizing, but since I play and teach music and have colleagues in several cities (Atlanta, Cleveland, NY, D.C., Chicago), I would say that a LOT of black kids are VERY interested in instruments, practicing, the history of jazz, blues, soul, etc. | |
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NuPwr319 said: purplemansionFL said: Miles Davis was (and still is) my favorite artist. I saw Dude at least 10 times throughout the 80s. Last Miles show I saw was at Avery Fisher Music Hall/Lincoln Center. And Wynton Marsalis opened up for him. This was significant because of the spats between both back then. It was like the Rap Wars of today.
I sat my Black-ASS in first row for that show. So close, I could see Dude's name inscripted on his horn. People freaked when he actually "went back", and did "SUMMERTIME" The thing that bothers me now about Jazz is the fact that Whites (domestic and foreign) are being heavily promoted as the music's saviors. But I really blame this more on US Black folks than them. I let Euros slide because they've always had deep respect for the music. Most young Black folks act like an instrument is cancer. When you think of all the Black Jazz (and even old-school R&B) musicians had to Fuckin' scraped to get an instrument. And practiced on that shit like no tommorrow. You can spent between $200-$600 on sneakers, x-Box, and PS3. But not an instrument? Fucked-Up priorities. Today's Black kids (not generalizing) have no sense of artisitc/cultural struggle. How those struggles help one perfect their craft/gift. Meanwhile, when I was living in Oregon, all these White kids were practicing their instruments. Whether at home or school. No matter whether it was Grunge or Jazz. And there are tons of White kids playing Jazz in the Pacific NW. Sorry for my soapbox. But this shit bugs me 'til no end. Reply With Quote Well, that's not my experience here in Detroit. I know you're not generalizing, but since I play and teach music and have colleagues in several cities (Atlanta, Cleveland, NY, D.C., Chicago), I would say that a LOT of black kids are VERY interested in instruments, practicing, the history of jazz, blues, soul, etc. phew! thank god we need to save the black music genre 
anyhoo as far as jazz music ive been getting into it more esp the Harlem Renissance period of jazz when it was just starting out really amazing stuff | |
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NuPwr319 said: Well, that's not my experience here in Detroit. I know you're not generalizing, but since I play and teach music and have colleagues in several cities (Atlanta, Cleveland, NY, D.C., Chicago), I would say that a LOT of black kids are VERY interested in instruments, practicing, the history of jazz, blues, soul, etc. Exactly..here in the Philly metro area also.My daughter and her third grade class are given instruments to play in their music class and they learn how to read music.It's standard curriculum,not optional.Plus all three of my kids know Jazz when they hear it (Grandpop's music!) and they will listen to it.That's how you keep Jazz alive.I grew up on Jazz,and my kids will also.One of my best friends is Bassist Christian McBride,and I tell my kids stories of how we would be in his room practicing for hours,just to keep them interested.My mom tells them about how her quartet would open for Monk and one time Monk called her up and she did some improv with him.And they dig it...Obviously the maker of this thread has never heard of Esperanza Spaulding or that comment about our youth would've never came out of his mouth. | |
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Let's Appreciate... | |
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purplemansionFL said: Most young Black folks act like an instrument is cancer.
i think that if you dig a little deeper below the surface, you'll find a scene just as eager and willing as the ones miles and charlie or thelonious were part of. it's the same with all types of music and art. everything you see these days is just promotional propaganda. if you want to hear something unique that you dig out because it appeals to YOU and because the people doing it sound REAL, you just have to do a bit of a search. but just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not there at all. the only sad thing is that companies don't pick these real talented people, who are willing to further and build upon a huge legacy, for their flagships. and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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