I will NEVER understand how Prince fans have a problem with the LBGT family, period.

errant said:

Amen....props to Chaz & like him as he is now.

Vendetta1 said:

Generalize, much?

I'm a Straight Male Prince fan, and I don't have a problem with LBGT fam at all.

Especially as a Black Man, who am I to discriminate on somebody???

As far as this topic goes. It's shocking because it isn't discussed much in the media and He's bringing it to the forefront.

It's been well-known for a long time that when Chaz was Chastity, she lived as Lesbian.

errant said:

OH SHIT!!!!!

MidniteMagnet said:

If gender is between your ears, then why is she having her tits cut off and having male horomone treatments? I think she's just conforming to definition of a man. I agree with you totally. I believe in reincarnation and that the only reason men or women like each other of the same sexes, is because we were once a man or a woman in our past lives. Cher got a double
dose because both of her offspring are gay.

errant said:

OMG!!! On the other hand you have some VERY
effeminate men that are straight and get more coochie than a tampon!

Paris9748430 said:

jesus christ. I left out the word "some". But if my post wasn,t referring to you then you should have kept the party movin'.

PurpleGstring said:

What's even more ridiculous is the concept of a "god" in the first place and you using it to cast judgement on someone else's life like you're better than them.

Believing in a god is like saying that thousands of scientists who are more intelligent then most religious people put together are wrong, and that is foolish.

I can't wait for the day that we find life on other planets so we can put this whole bullshit god business to fuckin' rest already.

fuckin' jesus freaks.
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Militant said:

Hi Militant. Jesus freak here.

I wish she had just kept the news to herself because now the assholes will be trying to say that we're all confused and want to change our sex. They get on that kick ever so often.

ernestsewell said:

you get a pass my friend, you're not closed minded and judgemental from what i can see.

doesn't it piss you off though when they do things like ban gay marriage, because "the bible says it's wrong". and placing blocks on things society needs to progress like stem cell research for the same reasons?

It's just crazy to me that so many people live their lives based on a fictional two thousand year old book. It seems crazy to me to believe that there's some dude in the sky controlling shit. Believing in something when there isn't a single shred of evidence that points towards it's existence is just madness, I see no difference between that and fairies or dragons.

I don't think God makes mistakes either. I think he does everything he does for a reason. Since we don't choose to be gay, I think he makes people gay for a reason and only he knows that reason, not us. But changing your sex goes completely against what you were born as. And not only that, I think it's more a matter of a confused gay person trying to turn themselves into something that they consider as acceptable to society such as the opposite sex. Since they are attracted to the same sex, it would certainly look more "normal" to straight society to see a male and a female together rather than to see two males or two females. Changing into the other sex probably makes them think they fit into the so-called "normal" world. It's gay self hate is what it is.

Militant said:

But they twist that bible around to justify their hate for every group that's different from them, not just us. They thought they were better than the Native Americans and the Africans and justified their crimes against them by saying they were doing the "savages" a favor by bringing them religion.

I understand that the bible was written by men and not God which definately explains some of the rediculous homophobic and sexist things in it but I'm not going to totally stop believing in God and risk an eternity in hell just because some assholes want to use the bible against me for their evil purposes. If I'm wrong and there is no God, then I've got nothing to lose by believing. But if I stop believing and there is a God, then I've got some explaining to do.
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Militant said:

It's fictional to you, not to me. I always say to people (and I often hope it is gentle enough to get my point across): You can doubt the Bible, or God, but you cannot doubt my experiences, and what I've went through.

It's a bit of an oxymoron to say fictional book, since the book DOES exist, and is always the biggest selling piece of literature year after year. It's very dismissive to discount someone's experience or belief system, whether it's about God, or Prince, or whatever. It's odd because people yell things like "Don't step over my boundaries" or "let me be me", but the moment someone tries to be themselves, and it just happens to contradict someone else's beliefs, THEN it's crazy or insane, or stupid or whatever. We're all about celebrating diversity....as long as the diversity is exactly the same across the board.

There's so much evidence of God's existence. Science and the Bible have a lot in common; they're not polar opposites like people think they are.

Militant said:

Not taking sides on this issue but, the art of science is not really exact either. Something or someone had to create what is all around us. Neither you, I or the scientist you speak of were around to witness these events, so to say that there is evidence to proof that it was all done as a result of science is a statement that I question, simply because this so-called evidence can indeed be questioned.

ernestsewell said:

I understand, and of course I don't doubt your experiences or things that you've been through. What I doubt is the conclusion that you reached based upon those experiences because it's not a given that one reaches that conclusion based upon those experiences.

I've had more hardships than your average person. My mother died when I was young and I dealt with things like abuse, a broken home, being shuffled around and moving different places, etc. I understand that many people turn to religion simply as a coping mechanism to get them through difficult periods. People have low self esteem and don't know any better in most of these cases.

But at the end of the day, the most hardcore religious people are still unable to provide me with a shred of tangible evidence to justify what they believe in. Their reasons for believing are not going to convince me without anything to back them up. I could sit here all day and tell you why I believe that the world is controlled by neon-lit magical unicorns and find a thousand reasons why I believe in them, but are you gonna believe me without any proof? Over a couple of thousand years, I'm sure I could amass millions of followers that also believed in the magical unicorns too, but clearly the quantity of people means nothing.

Look at the Scientologists. They only started something like 30 years ago, their leader was even quoted as saying "the best way to make money is to start your own religion", and now they've got tens of thousands of followers who willingly give them all their money and literally destroy the lives of the people that don't agree with them. these people actually believe that the earth was created by an alien being called xenu who bombed a planet and all the souls became attached to volcanos or something like that.

Sounds crazy right? But is it any crazier than believing some black dude (who conveniently enough for most conservative Westerners got twisted up and made white at some point) could walk on water, heal blind people and bring himself back to life after being killed?

ernestsewell said:

You know what I meant. Obviously it exists, but I meant that it is a work of fiction, like Harry Potter (actually, had Harry Potter been written 2000 years ago it would probably be the biggest religion in the world right now).

The fact that it sells doesn't mean anything. Regardless, on that issue, I'm fairly certain I read that Mein Kampf has outsold the bible.

ernestsewell said:

No. Evidence is something you can legitimately prove without a shadow of a doubt. I can prove that Gravity exists because if I throw a ball into the air a million times, the result will be the same every time.

But, I'd be interested to hear what your "evidence" is.

got to agree with Militant
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Militant said:

Now that's a "judgmental" statement.

Regarding the comment about nyse, well, taking a photo which may cause you to look like the opposite gender even though you are straight is very different than being gay and trying to literally become the opposite gender. Just like the comments above about the Bible, "judging" nyse or anyone else who disagrees with "sex changes" is just as bad as you think their "judgments" against Chaz's decision are.

And even though Cher's daughter is homosexual, unless she has her uterus, ovaries, and all female reproductive organs removed and replaced with all of the male organs and glands, she is "scientifically" still a woman.

I like Militant! He seems logical...must be a Virgo.

It's always fun to debate religion/God because nobody can ever win their side of the argument. Technically, everyone should be agnostic because nobody actually knows whether or not God exists. Even so, I'm an atheist because the whole thing sounds so implausible to me. Just switch the word "God" to "giant squirrel" and see how fucked up it all sounds. I pray to giant squirrel at night and He watches over me and protects me. Etc. People would think you were nuts, but for some reason it is acceptable to talk to invisible people (Jesus, God) and it's fine. I think it's weird myself.

I've always been intrigued by the fervert religiosity of many black people in the US too. It's very likely that their ancestors didn't believe in Jesus until they were forced into slavery by whites and became influenced (over time) by the whites. Eventually the salves adopted the same beliefs as the whites. But apparently God liked the whites better because he made them the owners and he made the blacks the slaves. That's pretty fucked up.

I think in general people have a hard time accepting the fact that when we die, we just rot in our caskets and our body shrivels up. It's a coping mechanism to believe in God because it makes people feel safe and it allows them not to face the facts about their impending death and the random bad shit that happens to them in their lifetime. I think life is a series of random shit, good and bad.

Good luck to Chaz. Regardless of gender, he could lose a few pounds.

ernestsewell said:

ernestsewell said:

Great post.
[Edited 11/20/09 13:49pm]

MidniteMagnet said:

And there you have it

Timmy84 said:

Co-

vainandy said:

wow andy you really need to talk to some transgendered people.

mimi07 said:

Thanks

MidniteMagnet said:

Close....I'm an Aquarius. And yeah...the real root of a progressive society is logic, not religion Logic solves problems and religion causes them

I'm an Atheist too (although I guess that's obvious). Being agnostic is just sitting on the fence, you gotta make a stand one way or the other really. I like your "giant squirrel" metaphor - it's so true!

Did you ever see that episode of Family Guy where they transport into different parallel universes? One of the universes is the same as ours but really technologically advanced, futuristic and amazing. One of the characters, Quagmire, a womanizer, catches AIDS and he just says "Well, I'll just take my Nyquil: Colds, Flu and AIDS" - pops the pill and he's cured, LOL..

The explanation for that universe was something like "in this universe, religion never existed, and so the dark ages of scientific oppression never happened!"

It was hilarious because it was so true. Belief in gods is responsible for more suffering and war than anything else, and it's basically a disease that halts the progression of the human race. If it weren't for religious people oppressing science, we'd probably have cures for cancer, AIDS, etc by now.

MidniteMagnet said:

Agreed. Nothing pisses me off more than when something bad happens and some moron pops out with the classic phrase "Well I guess this was part of god's plan". THERE'S NO FUCKING PLAN YOU DIPSHIT. OK, yeah, your totally awesome god planned for your relative/friend/loved one to die a horrible painful death from a terminal illness. Yeah he meant for your young child who hasn't even experienced life yet to get cancer and die. What an awesome guy! LOL.

Shit just happens, and people waste away their lives believing that they aren't in control of their own life. I've had a very successful career so far (I'm in my early 20's and my band already has a few platinum albums and we just put out a Greatest Hits compilation), it's not because of any "blessing" from some omnipotent being, it's because I worked my ass off since I was a teenager, created opportunities for myself, took those opportunities and grafted to be all that I could be.

The rewards I've seen are a direct result to my hard work. Pisses me off when artists and actors win awards and thank god. Really, they should be thanking the hard work of the people around them that are reponsible for their success - why does the actor never thank the director, screenwriter, camera crew, wardrobe crew, makeup crew, runners, etc when they win the award? It's them that deserve the thanks.

I'd always trust an atheist doctor over a religious one too. If you have a religious doctor, that means that he doesn't believe he has 100% control what happens to you, when really he does.

Life is definitely just a series of random shit. Thing is, if you take accountability for it, you have more control over the good shit and the bad shit.

Militant said:

Well thats all good and well but there have been studies that proport the better recovery time of patients who have fall back on a religous deity or religion itself. Now of course thats part of a mind over matter aspect and maybe a sort of ...religious pacebo effect? lol...but for those who find comfort in religion, it kind of works for them. Not to deny any of the things you or midnight have stated (which I agree with as well).