MOL said:

how do you know how often she has seen him? you should try and calm down before you hurt something, maybe you should try a lil propofol (sorry i couldnt resist)

lowkey said:

I'm just shaking my head I have nothing but love for janet .

lowkey said:

The "average person" hasn't read the autopsy report. That's why "the average" person thinks Michael was a junkie.

NO one knew about family interventions. What we all knew was about the family's interventions to get money and a tour. Oops...the truth hurts, doesn't it?

The family is trying to look good in the eyes of the public. The average person asks: "If Michael was such a junkie, then why didn't his family do anything? The guy had 8 brothers and sister, yet he died alone?". Knowing that the public thinks like this, the family is saying that they did everything they could to "save Michael", yet Michael didn't allow them to "save him". They want to make people think that they are the perfect family and that they did everything for Michael and Michael's death has nothing to do with them since they did everything to "save him". They want the public to think that the only reason Michael died in a bed, alone, is because he didn't let his perfect family save him. They want us to think that his family did everything for him, yet he denied their help.

Why do you think most of them have already stated that Joe was an incredible father? Why do you think they are always trying to give the image that they are the perfect family? The fact is: the Jackson family is highly dysfunctional.

MOL said:

you right they are not perfect and neither was michael. but on a serious note answer this, why are you so mad at the jacksons? and i have never heard them say joe was a incredible father. it seems you are doing the same thing to the jacksons that the media has done to michael for years.

lowkey said:

Latoya claimed, on "The View", that Joe was an incredible father. Besides, read Katherine's book: Tito and another Jackson claimed Joseph was an amazing dad and a great person. Check your facts.

MOL said:

ok so still why are you mad at them? if they wanna say their father was great thats their business. michael has said some questionable things over the year himself, i just dont understand the point in attacking the man's family

lowkey said:

You see no point? Read "Jackson Family Values" by Margaret Maldonaldo.

MOL said:

you still aint answer my question..why are you so mad at michael's family? what does that book have to do with it, she had a personal connection with them you dont.the only jacksons i can kinda understand michael's fans having a problem with is latoya (sorry but her claiming he was guilty would be unforgivable to me), i think jermaine is shady and i know joe is crazy. but i have heard fans go in on his mom, thats foul he never said a bad word towards his mother.and now because she made a statement in an interview janet is public enemy #1, then yall get mad at tito & nem because they wanted to tour with their brother who was the leader of their family group,i always knew mj's fans are crazy but this vendetta against his family is kinda scary.i kinda think some of his fans are mad that he died before all of them, i have even seen people say they wish joe would hurry up and die.thats crazy

lowkey said:

You don't know 0.01% of what this family did to Michael. They hounded/harassed him to tour with them and give them money, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. If you knew what Randy did during the trial and many, many other things. The list goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on. I'd have to write for hours. Let's not even try to imagine where would Michael be today if his family wans't constantly delaying his career and making his life a living hell.


On a side note, I'm really confused when it comes to Latoya. I highly doubt she was forced to say those things. Maybe, just maybe, what she said about Michael is true. After waching some interviews, I'm starting to think that, perhaps, Latoya wasn't lying. She is making me doubt Michael.

MOL said:

ok im confused, if you claim he cut them off and they didnt see him for years how can they be responsible for delaying his career? he was accused of child molestation twice, i think that had more to do with derailing his career then his family. i actually think when he isolated himself from his family and let all these strangers take control of his life was when the problems started. are you saying you believe michael was a child molester? there is way more evidence of him being a drug addict then there is of him molesting those kids.

Michael didn't cut his family off at all, he just didn't have time and he wasn't afraid of telling them no. Plus MJ was always busy and globe-trekking.

you all still talking about this.....what the fuck
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lowkey said:

They delayed his career from 77 to 85. That's a fact, honey.

There is no evidence of him being a drug addict. Read the guy's autopsy report.
And yes, I'm starting to think he was a paedophile because of what Latoya Jackson said. What was the point of accusing him? She had nothing to gain.
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Timmy84 said:

Actually, Michael was always afraid of telling his family no.

MOL said:

they delayed his career from 1979-1985? how much higher could his career have possibly gone beyond thriller?

seeingvoices12 said:

You have any suggestions on what we can talk about now ?

babybugz said:

admit you're all obsessed with the man's personal life

I expect a new album in 2010?

babybugz said:

rolls out list.....

seeingvoices12 said:

That's actually a insult to me I wonder how I got into this fandom sometimes lol

seeingvoices12 said:

sorry but i cant resist asking this dude/or girl questions because he/she says the most ridiculous things. i can really care less about his personal life i just think its wrong how people are coming at his family, like its their fault he's dead. but after the last comment about them delaying his career from 1977-1985 i think its time for me to quit.im going to the janet thread

bboy87 said:

*waits*

lowkey said:

You don't know much about this family, do you?

In 1980, Michael wanted to do another solo album. He told Epic's director that his family wouldn't allow him to have a solo career. He was forced to do the Triumph album. Like Epic's director said, the day Michael's family knew that he had signed a deal, they woul harass him constantly to get "a piece of the pie". It's not a secret that the Jacksons never wanted Michael to have a solo career. So, he wanted to do his second major solo album, by 1980, and do a tour alone to establish himself as a major SOLO star. His family didn't allow him to do so. By 1982, he had to do the Thriller album hidden from his family. Apart from Joe trying to boycot the album and the brothers complaining to mama that Michael wasn't working for them, Michael may have found peace in the studio. He also never wanted to do the Victory album. Michael wanted to record a solo album instead but, once again, his family didn't allow him. Furthermore, he wanted to go on tour ALONE. The brothers and Joe Jackson demanded that he stayed in the Jacksons though, so Michael had to work for his brothers and give them credit where credit wasn't due. He had to limit his talents to work and mainly tour with them. He couldn't choreograph his dance moves and he could only do, on stage, what his brothers allowed him to do. Remember that the brothers were against Michael doing complicated dance moves, on the Victory Tour, because it would take the spotlight away from them. Remember that Michael had limited control and wasn't allowed to do much in the Jacksons' albums. Thriller could have come up much sooner and Michael could have become even bigger. Today, we would have 2/3 Off The Walls and more solo tours.

lowkey said:

Poor family. This family is not dysfunctional. They are all saints but Michael...

Poor them.

If you only knew this family's true colours. Yet you refuse to believe that Janet, your idol and almighty God, had a crappy, greedy and (how could I forget?) nasty family.
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babybugz said:

didn't mean to insult you , its ok

Sometimes I feel the need to address some points about MJ's personal life but that was in the past, when Mj was alive, but there is really no point now, he is no longer with us , whats the point to talk about his personal life?


Plus.....

Enough of criticizing the Jackson family please, regardless of what happened between them, which happens between any freaking family, they lost a member of the family….it was hard for every one of them……..

Of course Joe Jackson is excluded, you guys can rip him to shreds……….

seeingvoices12 said:

I agree with you.

babybugz said:

Teresa Gonsalves' book about Michael
Chris Brown supposedly planning to play Michael in a TV movie
JRT updating Magic and The Madness AGAIN for next year
Waxpoetics' issue dedicated to Michael
the Motown albums

I ordered the UK DVD of Moonwalker a couple of days ago (still waiting for it arrive), and looking a DVD rip of it on Youtube and then a laserdisc rip, has anyone noticed the quality of the Region 2 DVD is different, not to mention has a blue tint to it?

bboy87 said:

rihanna will play debbie rowe...?