Militant said:

I completely disagree with this assessment. Ever since I heard Michaels Off The Wall Demos I knew the studio guys were just their to polish diamonds. To tell the truth, I actually liked the OTW and Thriller demos much more in certain respects. Without those great songs, the star musicians mean nothing, in fact, anyone in the music business knows that musical versatility itself has little relation to saleability. Sad but true, lots of virtuosic musicians out here, always have been and it doesn't mean jack. The demos reveal Michaels absolute brilliance better than anything else and don't really vary much from the finished products. Posthumously, I personally have disliked what quincy has said and although I think he had a role, it wasn't as big as he'd like to think. On the "wanna be startin' somethin'" demo, you can hear Michael creating the entire arrangement even humming certain parts which would be intrumentalized later, showing a brilliant musical mind at work, a stilted composer, stilted because he did very little actual playing an instrument. Everyone's gifts are different, Sinatra was a specialist at the art of singing but couldn't play a damn thing and never wrote a song, does that mean he was not a genius? Elvis never wrote a song but interpreted them so differently he may have well have wrote them himself, and he played a basic level guitar, that doesn't stop the world from acknowledging his gifts. Somehow, when it comes to Michael people get so sidetracked by all the razzle dazzle that they can't see that there was a brilliant, even dark genius to his best songs. And as for Prince, yes he did some of the style mingling but he was still a borderline cult artist until Purple Rain and here again, I believe Michael made that possible too. Michaels success singlehandedly revitalized and redefined pop music at that time. Suddenly everyone was selling well into the millions and Prince even with all his talent had great timing to not only capitalize on this surge but also to counterbalance as a sort of Beatles/Stones type of thing, Michael's success, and who even knows if Prince would have, or even thought of being as big as he was at that point. In fact, he's always seemed to have mixed feeling about that whole period. Michael had no such inhibitions, he wanted to be as huge as possible.

mimi07 said:

Have you guys tried the augmented reality shit on the Opus?
You know with the webcam? Print out the page from the website and hold it up to the webcam and see the billie jean performance in your hands?
cool but silly.

Rorywan said:

WHAT!?!

I thought i'd have to wait for the book to try that..i'll check it out later

Ah, the Opus looks dope. Too bad it's so expensive.

Militant said:

yeah but SOOOOO worth it!

mimi07 said:

It totally is.....but I need food to survive, a house to live in, etc. bills keep stacking up

two years ago I would have said "fuck it" and charged it to my credit card.....and that's how i maxed it out. LOL

ItsAllForLOVE said:

Thats more then good enough. Thanks!

seeingvoices12 said:

Wow... all orgers should watch these people talking about Michael's creative prossess. "When you listen to the playback you think of everything that should be there that's not," says Michael. That's what he did with Billie Jean in the absence of Quincy Jones who was not in the room....
Thanks for this.

mimi07 said:

wow... simply beautiful. must have this. will place my order soon.

seeingvoices12 said:

At the KOP board. I also haven´t seen them. I don´t know where those people get these pictures from. I hope they´ll be in the OPUS book as well.

Vanilli said:

You don't find too many singers today who sings with so much heart and soul, and not very serious about their music. Miss that

Decision On Criminal Charges 'Months' Away
by Richard Winton
November 30, 2009

Prosecutors and police investigators don't expect to file charges in connection with Michael Jackson's death before 2010, law enforcement officials told The Times.

The officials said there is such much evidence to review -- some of it complex medical data -- and that they have sought the help of outside medical experts.

A decision on whether to file criminal charges is "months rather than weeks away," one source said.

Dr. Conrad Murray, Jackson's personal physician who provided him with the anesthetic propofol that coroner's officials say killed the pop singer, has been identified as a suspect in a manslaughter investigation in search warrants and remains the focus of the probe.

The investigation has resulted in large quantities of information that need to be carefully reviewed not only by LAPD detectives, but also prosecutors and some outside medical advisers before a final decision is made on how to proceed in the case, according to sources familiar with the investigation. They spoke to The Times on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.


With no suspects in custody, those familiar with the probe compare the Jackson case to the investigation of music producer Phil Spector, which took more than a year before prosecutors decided to file charges.

Murray has denied repeatedly any wrongdoing and insists he gave then-appropriate medical aid when he found Jackson's distressed and not breathing. His attorney has stressed that Murray is fully cooperating with authorities.

The Los Angeles County district attorney's office already has had Murray's girlfriend Nicole Alvarez testify before a grand jury panel, according to sources.

The Los Angeles County coroner's office determined that Jackson died from "acute propofol intoxication" combined with sedatives and labeled his death a homicide.

The complexity of the medical evidence in the case has lead LAPD Robbery Homicide Division detectives and a prosecutor who is virtually embedded with them to seek several medical opinions in addition to the coroner's officials' on Jackson's death, according to two sources.

Murray, 56, told detectives that he administered the anesthetic propofol and other medications to Jackson before the pop star's death June 25, according to search warrants in the investigation. Five bottles of the anesthetic were purchased in Nevada from Applied Pharmacy by Murray, who had it shipped to California, according to search warrants in the investigation.

Some of those bottles were found in Jackson's rented Holmby Hills mansion, according to search-warrant affidavits. Propofol is usually used in medical settings by anesthesia professionals to make patients unconscious for surgery.

The physician told police Jackson was dependent on propofol to sleep and that he was trying to wean the singer off the drug.

Murray last week went back to work at his Houston medical office.



http://latimesblogs.latim...-year.html

Identity said:

I don't have a good feeling about this , I think that doctor is going to get off I hope I am way off with my feeling towards this

Has the full version of THIS WBBS demo leaked yet? From the 2008 Akon version?

1:20

mrsnet said:

lol yes but, listen to that song he's "creating" so seriously in this clip lol.

and also, isn't that quote stating the obvious?

JURASSIC PARK!

i wonder what song were they recording?

mimi07 said:

going back to alabama probably they did do background vocals for kenny rogers around that time.

NMuzakNSoul said:

Sounds about right

I don't know about the reliability of the article but Anyway.

New Jackson Music for Release: Michael Jackson Unreleased Music

According to the president of Michael Jackson’s record label, the new Jackson music will be released but this process should not be rushed. Before the King of Pop died, he had quite a number of unreleased recordings which are currently being kept in their vault. But for sure, the new songs will be released, packaged, and then repackaged for the singer’s fans in the future years.

The material which will be released consists of unused tracks which are from the singer’s studio sessions of his best albums. Aside from this, there is also some recently recorded songs which he has made with Senegalese R&B singer/producer Akon and the Black Eyed Peas frontman, Will.I.Am.

Tommy Mottola, Sony Music’s CEO and chairman from 1998-2003, currently owns distribution rights to the songs of Michael Jackson. He has mentioned that there are dozens upon dozens of songs which did were not included on the singer’s albums. According to Mottola, the release of Jackson’s songs can even go on for several years and can even exceed Elvis Presley’s.

On the first week of the singer’s death, his three best records namely “Essentially Michael Jackson,” “Number Ones,” and “Thriller” became the best selling albums during the week. And in the United States, over 2.3 million tracks of the songs from these albums were downloaded. This, however, is normal for a music star with Michael Jackson’s nature. There are even some label companies which keep going through their archive files just so they can find something they can release. Even up to this date, new record compilations done by Tupac, Jeff Buckley, and Elvis are still being released.

Since Mottola has proclaimed himself as the keeper of the singer’s songs is most familiar with all of the new Jackson music songs. In fact, he has still kept several tracks which never made it into the albums of his classic albums such as the 1972’s album “Off the Wall” and the 1982 hit “Thriller.”

Last year though, Michael Jackson was able to release the album “Thriller 25” which marks the 25th anniversary of the original album. The new album has included his new song entitled “For All Time,” along with five other remixes which has involved Kanye West, Fergie, Akon and Will.I.Am.

Will.I.Am and Michael Jackson, though, were able to record several songs as a duo. But their demos were in the possession of the King of Pop. R&B singer Akon was unlucky though. He had hoped to finish an album with the late singer after he completed his concerts in London. Aside from the song “Hold My Hand” that was able to leak into the public last year, Akon is not part of any new Jackson music that will be released over the years.


http://woodenspears.com/n...lease.html






I don't know abou the tommy mattola involvment , seems like bull.

They just going to make him another tupac keep putting out albums after albums *sigh*

Hey guys.

Maybe I'm late on this one but I just saw an actual music video for "This Is It" played on one of the MTV channels. The mix of the song sounds different. There were some jazzier piano parts about halfway through the song, there were some different adlibs and a different fadeout. The video was comprised of slow-mo shots from different scenes in the movie.

You guys seen this?

'Smooth Criminal edit in HD

WetDream said:

LOL, Beat it , cheesy? I could have taken you post seriously but when you mentioned the word cheesy about beat it..OMG

The records you mentioned weren't strong enough to break the mold, or to break any barrier, other than the great Little Red Corvette which is a a great song but doesn't have the factor to break any barrier, the rest of tracks you mentioned are already forgettable.

you need a great timeless HIT record to acheive that.

Michael Jackson VS Prince crap again

seeingvoices12 said:

i don't think Beat It is cheesy, but those tracks you mentioned are anything but forgettable IMO. And 1999 sold 5 million records largely off the back of 'Little Red Corvette', which actually had heavy rotation on MTV wayyyyy before "Beat It", that is certainly is enough impact to break the mold, but actually
the whole mythology of MJ being the first black artist on MTV is a complete fabrication.

They played black artists before that who made more rock music because they were primarily a rock format station...people like Joan Armatrading, Tina Turner and Eddy Grant had their videos on MTV a long time before MJ did.

Militant said:

Fisrt black artist with an R&B pop song on a rock format station :Billie jean.

they even refused to play it at the first time.

Militant said:

I saw a playlist chart from way back. MTV played Eddy Grant (the first black artist on MTV)

Michael was the first black artist on MTV to get regular rotation

Eddy Grant, Gary U.S. Bonds, the Bus Boys, Prince, Joan Armatrading (sp?) and Tina Turner were the first black artists on the channel.

MJ was the first black artist to get HEAVY ROTATION on MTV. Then they started to do the same for Prince and others like Run DMC. MJ's label pushed for MJ's videos to get played more on there and that led to the change so bboy87's right.
[Edited 11/30/09 14:53pm]