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Prince's pointless battle against cameras at his concerts http://news.cnet.com/8301...47-1_3-0-5
Nearly every person at any show these days is going to have some form of camera with them, be it a point-and-shoot, an iPhone or some other camera phone, and it seems that there is almost no way to imagine keeping all those devices out.
That new reality is forcing an increasing number of bands to come to grips with the fact that they can't really control the images from their shows, and that, for the most part, they're better off letting fans cram Facebook and Flickr with such pictures anyway. "It's an acknowledgment of the way technology is changing, and how much digital cameras have become a part of our lives," Rob Sheridan, the creative director for Nine Inch Nails, told CNET News. "Now that everyone has video and still cameras in their phones, and pocket digital cameras take HD video and great quality pictures, not only is it impossible to keep cameras out of shows, but it's fighting an increasingly uphill battle against what is now a cultural norm: people freely documenting their lives and the things they do to share it with friends and family." [...] The answer is camera policies in effect at concerts, which are almost always defined by the bands themselves. And conversations with people throughout the music industry make it clear that while there are no standard policies, and that the rules run the gamut from "anything goes" to "no pictures, please," artists today are increasingly tolerant, even encouraging, of fans taking all the pictures they want. Look, for example, at the Nine Inch Nails Web site, which spells out the band's open camera policy, "inviting fans to capture the events with anything from a cell phone to a hi-def video camera." The reason is clear: "The results have been overwhelming, filling our own galleries with thousands of images and videos from every show, and inspiring a number of ambitious fan-sourced video projects within the NIN community. Some of those projects are starting to surface now, and we couldn't be happier with the way the fans have organized themselves and created some truly impressive work." Further, Sheridan told CNET News, even the proliferation of pictures of the band's shows taken by fans hasn't hurt its commercial interests. "Despite the fact that our fans take thousands and thousands of their own photos at each NIN show with whatever camera they'd like, we still sell prints of live photos taken by me through a Web site called frcphotos.com," said Sheridan. "This is presumably the type of thing that other acts would be trying to 'protect' by limiting photography at shows, but we've found that fans are still eager to purchase reasonably-priced professional prints, often taken at angles or distances that only someone working for the band would have access to." [...] "It's something that artists have come to realize they have no control over," said Abe Baruck, a manager who works with big-name acts like Journey, Clint Black, and Peter Wolf. It's "more a realization that this is just the way people enjoy entertainment. They want to capture something for their own nostalgia (and it) just doesn't go anywhere other than for their own use." To sum up: Prince loses by wanting to control something that can't be controlled, and he loses by NOT making money selling things fans want. © Bart Van Hemelen
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I heard a story in the diamonds & peals era of some poor kid who snapped a pictur of Prince and he had his minded snatch the camera and rip the film out.
Also saw sone rather heavy handed and co-ordinated action against photographs during 21 nights...involving laser pens and surronding people. Sorry but, within reason, you put yourself out there to maje the money and be famous...the very least yo should expect is your photo taken by passing fans. | |
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Prince doesn't want his photo taken cause he can't control the image that comes out. Heaven forbid you catch him gurning.
If there was an Ap for the Iphone like 'Prince Airbrush filter', he might be happier. But yeah. he should letitgo. |
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O.K., we get it.
Prince Bad Trent Good You DO know that Prince isn't the only artist with a No Flash Photography policy at their concerts, right? This is just one of your many Nine Inch Nails Circle Jerk threads. [Edited 11/11/09 2:28am] JERKIN' EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!!!!! | |
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I find it very distracting at concerts seeing people just stand there and flick photos all night. It makes you wonder are they really there to experience the music, or just to impress their friends...
Having said that, I think that if Prince does continue his tough stance, then he should at least take advantage of lotusp00p.com (or whatever his latest website is at any given time) and share concert pics and snippets online - at least more than he does at the moment. It's a fair trade off I think. Toejam @ Peach & Black Podcast: http://peachandblack.podbean.com
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Paris9748430 said: O.K., we get it.
Prince Bad Trent Good You DO know that Prince isn't the only artist with a No Flash Photography policy at their concerts, right? This is just one of your many Nine Inch Nails Circle Jerk threads. Next time read the article at the link, instead of making shit up in your mind. © Bart Van Hemelen
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Paris9748430 said: O.K., we get it.
Prince Bad Trent Good You DO know that Prince isn't the only artist with a No Flash Photography policy at their concerts, right? No FLASH? NO PHOTOGRAPHY at all, especially for non-press types. I.e.: you misspelled the `space`.  Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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BartVanHemelen said: Paris9748430 said: O.K., we get it.
Prince Bad Trent Good You DO know that Prince isn't the only artist with a No Flash Photography policy at their concerts, right? This is just one of your many Nine Inch Nails Circle Jerk threads. Next time read the article at the link, instead of making shit up in your mind. You people are rude! | |
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It has to be said that Trent Reznor again shows himself to be ahead of the field
in this respect. While Prince spends far too much of his energy trying to prevent filming and banning cameras from concerts, not to mention erasing all traces of his work from sites like youtube. Nine Inch Nails actively encourage fans to film their shows and then share their footege amongst themselves to compile their own fan-made concert videos, which can then be shared for free via Nine Inch Nails' official website! (Somehow, I can't imagine Prince doing this). Personally, I worry that Prince's actions and attitude to his work and the way it is (or more importantly, isn't) viewed is actually causing more harm to his legacy than good. | |
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I wish some people on here, would please f**k off and go to trentreznor.org. Get over it. Grandma's hands clapped in church on Sunday morning, Grandma's hands played the tamborine so well. | |
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interesting that the article has nothing to do with prince.
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There's still a no cameras policy on Broadway too. It's very distracting to singers and actors to have to see those flashes go off in the audience and can be blinding and dangerous for them. Camera phone pictures look crappy anyway. | |
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LuPone's Showstopper
When the Broadway diva chastised a texter, it highlighted problems with Vegas audiences By STEVE FRIESS The last thing I posted online before the lights came down for the start of Broadway legend Patti LuPone’s concert on Sunday was this: “Realized I’ve never been in the Orleans Showroom before. Lumpy seats. Wonder how Patti will react if I tweet her show.” It was a joke, of course, that harked back to her onstage explosion in January in New York when an audience member during a performance of Gypsy was shooting photos. “Stop taking pictures right now!” she shouted, breaking character and halting the show to berate someone who later turned out to be a sanctioned journalist. “You heard the announcement, who do you think you are? How dare you?” That was the stuff of YouTube glory, but it also struck a nerve among anyone who’s ever been in a showroom or a movie theater and had the comfort and focus provided by darkness disrupted by someone’s electronic this-or-that. The Gypsy incident is so legendary that you would think that anyone who knew enough about LuPone to turn out to see her at the Orleans over this past weekend would be aware of it.Except it wasn’t. About halfway into her Gypsy in My Soul show in Las Vegas, the two-time Tony winner was winding up to launch into the number she made a classic in her Tony-winning creation of Eva Peron in Evita, “Don’t Cry For Me Argentina.” The lights were down, her eyes were shut, her arms were out as she was working herself into the character, when, suddenly, she stopped her 10-piece orchestra. “What were you doing?” LuPone asked some dumb schlub in the third or fourth row. “I promise not to be mad at you. Just tell me, what were you doing—videoing? Taking photos? Texting? I really want to know.” It seems he was sending a text message. Ka-boom! Well, sort of. Her reaction was far more measured than her freak-out in New York and, thus, probably a lot more effective. She even sweetly said to the man, “I’m not going to yell at you, I don’t think.” But she did give him an earful about how she’s on “a campaign” against this sort of behavior and said, “The thing is, the people who text, they don’t seem to understand that we can see you. If you really need to do that, why don’t you just leave?” He did not do so. He kept his piehole shut and hoped the storm would pass. It did, but not before something else happened: Several people in the audience stood up and applauded. I admit, I wasn’t one of them, but mostly because I was too busy recording the goings-on in my brain so I could report them as faithfully as possible later without the assistance of the electronic recording devices that A.) would have made LuPone completely lose it and B.) I realized then I had become entirely too reliant upon. Also, I was rejoicing that I had witnessed such a brilliant diva moment with my evening companion, who works as a backstage show manager, and with the Las Vegas Sun’s Joe Brown, who was also in my row. But God, LuPone really nailed it and hit on something that so many performers in Las Vegas and elsewhere struggle with, a dramatic lowering of audience standards and etiquette. [Edited 11/11/09 7:11am] | |
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As much as I can understand Prince´s stance from his point of view when it comes to bootleg recordings, YouTube footage, promoclips and concert pictures, I think he doesn´t really get how his strict attitude endangers his legacy. " I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?" | |
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Prince doesn't CARE how it affects his legacy. When he says no, he means no, why don't people get that???  | |
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there's a clip on a thread about aerosmith on non music, showing steven tyler joining Joe perry onstage...and guess what?....you can't see him because so many people are taping it with their digital cameras. that is a form of bootlegging, imho. | |
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BlackAdder7 said: there's a clip on a thread about aerosmith on non music, showing steven tyler joining Joe perry onstage...and guess what?....you can't see him because so many people are taping it with their digital cameras. that is a form of bootlegging, imho.
I think it is very rude and impolite to take random pictures with a cellphone or with any other camera and it can seriously distract the artist or even be unhealthy for him but, that being said, I still find his attitude regarding videoclips on the internet a bit too drastic.At least the official promoclips should be available on the net. " I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?" | |
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KoolEaze said: BlackAdder7 said: there's a clip on a thread about aerosmith on non music, showing steven tyler joining Joe perry onstage...and guess what?....you can't see him because so many people are taping it with their digital cameras. that is a form of bootlegging, imho.
I think it is very rude and impolite to take random pictures with a cellphone or with any other camera and it can seriously distract the artist or even be unhealthy for him but, that being said, I still find his attitude regarding videoclips on the internet a bit too drastic.At least the official promoclips should be available on the net. I think it is rude to take pictures of a show when you are specifically asked not to do so. Since it is very difficult for musicians to make money now, touring and image promotion via corporate brands become a necessity in their marketing. By having cheaper videos of their performance circling the web cheapens their brand and concert performance. I also don't believe he should put out videos of his performance right after he performed, where then is the initiative for people to go see him in concert. Musicians make money by touring. Like Prince once said he wanted the fans to experience the concert and leave the venue with the vibe that they felt there and not from some hazy recording on the internet. It is true, there is nothing that can beat watching Prince perform live. [Edited 11/11/09 7:42am] | |
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It is all about the imaginary rights to an image, an idea, etc.
It is all smoke, vapour. Not even mirrors. The whole idiotic rights thing is just between certain ears and nowhere else. Just that the nation of the US has to grab. Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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Who is Trent Razor and why would anyone expect P to do anything the way Trent would...
What is the likelyhood of P waking up one day and saying to his team lets all take a look at Trent's business practices and see what we can learn.... One minute they want peace……
Then do everything to make it go away.  | |
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Oh and so P doesnt want to see 'unapproved' pictures of himself on the net or 'unapproved' videos of himself on Youtube..
I appreciate that I dont LIKE that but appreciate it One minute they want peace……
Then do everything to make it go away. | |
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I think all cameras should be banned at concerts, nothing worse than standing behind a as**ole with hands up taking pictures all the way through a concert your trying to watch.
And you know they will delete nearly all of them. | |
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I can respect his wishes, but I do feel that if I paid $300 for two seats to see him then I should at least get one photo of the man  Damn! Prince have a heart  | |
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I guess it's really up to the individual artist which policy they prefer. It's great when an artist is accomodating and engaging but at the end of the day, it's just entertainment...no big deal. Let him wage his little battles...if his legacy is negatively impacted then so be it.
Sometimes I wonder how peeps get so heated one way or the other about a dude who's only singing and dancing and playing guitar? He's a brilliant, electrifying and supremely gifted entertainer. But. He's. Still. An. Entertainer. If he don't want me to take his photo or see him on youtube I think I'll live. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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My opinion is that I respect any performer working to protect their product. Be it photos, music, art, etc.
However, I agree with Bart on the aspect that Prince (and many other musicians) is not keeping up with current cultural trends. Instead of using new technology and cultural mores to push the envelope, he's resisting. Like driving 35 on the expressway. In my opinion, there should be a caveat that any picture or recording taken on Private Property remains the property of the area/club/etc and that Prince would have an agreement with the area/club/etc that those rights are transferred to Prince. There are also broadcasting regulations. This is why you can't just put up a video of a baby dancing to Kiss on Youtube. You're broadcasting and would have to prove fair use. Again, I feel there is a marketing benefit in letting recordings and pictures go wild. However, I can respect the artist if they wish to reign that in. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Paris9748430 said: You DO know that Prince isn't the only artist with a No Flash Photography policy at their concerts, right?
No Flash, and No Photography are two different things. | |
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TheChief said: I wish some people on here, would please f**k off and go to trentreznor.org. Get over it.
Bingo. | |
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TheChief said: I wish some people on here, would please f**k off and go to trentreznor.org. Get over it.
couldn't've said it better  | |
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Who cares if he is "losing out?" I dont think that he cares about that. I think not only doeas he want control of what images are out there (maybe due to some perfection of a performance complex) but also that he doesn't want folks flashing pics all night long at him like he was some strange creature etc. He wants folks to enjoy the show and he said as much at one concert this year. | |
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BartVanHemelen said: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10392935-52.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-5
Nearly every person at any show these days is going to have some form of camera with them, be it a point-and-shoot, an iPhone or some other camera phone, and it seems that there is almost no way to imagine keeping all those devices out.
That new reality is forcing an increasing number of bands to come to grips with the fact that they can't really control the images from their shows, and that, for the most part, they're better off letting fans cram Facebook and Flickr with such pictures anyway. "It's an acknowledgment of the way technology is changing, and how much digital cameras have become a part of our lives," Rob Sheridan, the creative director for Nine Inch Nails, told CNET News. "Now that everyone has video and still cameras in their phones, and pocket digital cameras take HD video and great quality pictures, not only is it impossible to keep cameras out of shows, but it's fighting an increasingly uphill battle against what is now a cultural norm: people freely documenting their lives and the things they do to share it with friends and family." [...] The answer is camera policies in effect at concerts, which are almost always defined by the bands themselves. And conversations with people throughout the music industry make it clear that while there are no standard policies, and that the rules run the gamut from "anything goes" to "no pictures, please," artists today are increasingly tolerant, even encouraging, of fans taking all the pictures they want. Look, for example, at the Nine Inch Nails Web site, which spells out the band's open camera policy, "inviting fans to capture the events with anything from a cell phone to a hi-def video camera." The reason is clear: "The results have been overwhelming, filling our own galleries with thousands of images and videos from every show, and inspiring a number of ambitious fan-sourced video projects within the NIN community. Some of those projects are starting to surface now, and we couldn't be happier with the way the fans have organized themselves and created some truly impressive work." Further, Sheridan told CNET News, even the proliferation of pictures of the band's shows taken by fans hasn't hurt its commercial interests. "Despite the fact that our fans take thousands and thousands of their own photos at each NIN show with whatever camera they'd like, we still sell prints of live photos taken by me through a Web site called frcphotos.com," said Sheridan. "This is presumably the type of thing that other acts would be trying to 'protect' by limiting photography at shows, but we've found that fans are still eager to purchase reasonably-priced professional prints, often taken at angles or distances that only someone working for the band would have access to." [...] "It's something that artists have come to realize they have no control over," said Abe Baruck, a manager who works with big-name acts like Journey, Clint Black, and Peter Wolf. It's "more a realization that this is just the way people enjoy entertainment. They want to capture something for their own nostalgia (and it) just doesn't go anywhere other than for their own use." To sum up: Prince loses by wanting to control something that can't be controlled, and he loses by NOT making money selling things fans want. ----- [Edited 11/11/09 9:20am] | |
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