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Cameras DON'T HAVE to flash. Flashless photography shouldn't be an issue. Photos are part of the historical record of these musical events. The more the better! Wish there were alot more photos of concerts that happened in the 60's and 70's which I never experienced but would love more insight into. Music, sweet music, I wish I could caress and...kiss, kiss... | |
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nd33 said: Some of you haven't actually read the thread before replying!
Cameras DON'T HAVE to flash. Flashless photography shouldn't be an issue. Photos are part of the historical record of these musical events. The more the better! Wish there were alot more photos of concerts that happened in the 60's and 70's which I never experienced but would love more insight into. They won't read what you just typed. They are selecting to pretend that all cameras are the same and have been for the past 100 years.What's funny is Prince films his concerts. Its a control issue in his case as well as others. | |
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Bohemian67 said: Prince came out when people REALLY did experience things. Back then the audience were IN THE MOMENT, not just "being there PLAYING papparazzi," like today.
So that's why there are no videos from that age? No tapes? No pics? Oh wait, THERE ARE. It was HARDER back then, but people still did it. Bohemian67 said: Prince probably doesn't WANT to make as much money as he could. He has different values and he's powerful, famous, talented and rich enough to make choices which suit and his personal values. He knows what works for him and it's got nothing to do with what some fans thinks.
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What i don't get is if a tour is sold out, what difference does it make if you take a pic or two, or even film a song or two via a phone?
It's sold out, no more tickets to sell or money to be made. It's not like Prince puts out DVD's of his tours on a regular basis is it? Next we won't be allowed in unless we buy a fucking T-Shirt first. |
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nd33 said: Some of you haven't actually read the thread before replying!
Cameras DON'T HAVE to flash. Flashless photography shouldn't be an issue. Photos are part of the historical record of these musical events. The more the better! Wish there were alot more photos of concerts that happened in the 60's and 70's which I never experienced but would love more insight into. ----- But people do you use the flash !!! | |
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BartVanHemelen said: Bohemian67 said: Prince came out when people REALLY did experience things. Back then the audience were IN THE MOMENT, not just "being there PLAYING papparazzi," like today.
So that's why there are no videos from that age? No tapes? No pics? Oh wait, THERE ARE. It was HARDER back then, but people still did it. Bohemian67 said: Prince probably doesn't WANT to make as much money as he could. He has different values and he's powerful, famous, talented and rich enough to make choices which suit and his personal values. He knows what works for him and it's got nothing to do with what some fans thinks.
We've got a mindreader, here, peoples. ----- You think you can read Prince's so what's your beef. You have no idea why he does want cameras at his shows but that does not stop you from making up your mind that P must be greedy. Don't throw stones when your living in a glass house. | |
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Graycap23 said: BlaqueKnight said: Since when do cameraphones flash? That's some bullshit.
Limiting flash photography is completely understandable (depending on the venue and distance) but cameraphones and non-flash? BULLSHIT. If its distracting then the artist is not professional. I have never been to a concert and NOT seen cameras. Its a very dated concept these days to think that people aren't going to have them. (That goes for you too, Maxwell) Also, its not "the artist's image" - no one is above having their picture taken. For you backwards fanbot dummies - THE PICTURE IS THE ART, NOT THE SUBJECT. That's why photographers can copyright pictures but the subject can not. [Edited 11/11/09 10:33am] So u are saying Prince does not have the right do do what he is doing? ----- Yes, that is what our genius is saying. Everyone must have their pictures taken by complete strangers no matter if they like it or not and that P and the venue should have no say at all. It is total bullshit. If a big ass sign tells you at the venue you can't film the show that id what the sign means you can't film the show. End of story. [Edited 11/12/09 9:31am] | |
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BartVanHemelen said: Bohemian67 said: Prince came out when people REALLY did experience things. Back then the audience were IN THE MOMENT, not just "being there PLAYING papparazzi," like today.
So that's why there are no videos from that age? No tapes? No pics? Oh wait, THERE ARE. It was HARDER back then, but people still did it. Bohemian67 said: Prince probably doesn't WANT to make as much money as he could. He has different values and he's powerful, famous, talented and rich enough to make choices which suit and his personal values. He knows what works for him and it's got nothing to do with what some fans thinks.
We've got a mindreader, here, peoples. Yeah exactly, it was harder back then. Nowdays it's so easy. Some people just log onto a website and say someone's a loser with absolutely no evidence. Can't get easier than that. Mind reader? No Bart, you just take the man's recent actions into consideration and add 1+1. It's that simple, common sense, no mind reading. Do you think his website publishes "go and see Michael Moore's capitalism lovestory" because the man is only concerned with making as much money as possible? Once again, you prove that the % of posts you write which contain insults to someone or other, are in the majority. Nederlands ben je echt niet Bart, want je bent veels te extreem daarvoor. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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laurarichardson said: Yes, that is what our genius is saying. Everyone must have their pictures taken by complete strangers no matter if they like it or not and that P and the venue should have no say at all. It is total bullshit. If a big ass sign tells you at the venue you can't film the show that id what the sign means you can't film the show. End of story. [Edited 11/12/09 9:31am] I've already answered him. I don't need a misinterpreter, thank you. If I ever need an idiot who lacks comprehension skills to speak for me, I'll be sure to keep your name at the top of the call list. Thanks for the interview, though. You more than qualify for a call back. | |
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To me you shouldnt be allowed to have shit with you. Im gettiing sick of every concert i go to i get that same dick next to me or in front of me, making calls during songs saying "yeah im here, where you at etc" and then of course he puts that cell phone up in the air and takes his crappy pics and video with his shit phone then he emails it to his dick friends and then calls them again, this goes on at every show! Take the phone and camera and shove them up your ass plain and simple as Billy Crystal said to an audience members whos phone kept ringing during a show.
And for the record PRINCE does not control Venue Rules, stop tinking that PRINCE has this power that he has NEVER HAD never will have. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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BlaqueKnight said: nd33 said: Some of you haven't actually read the thread before replying!
Cameras DON'T HAVE to flash. Flashless photography shouldn't be an issue. Photos are part of the historical record of these musical events. The more the better! Wish there were alot more photos of concerts that happened in the 60's and 70's which I never experienced but would love more insight into. They won't read what you just typed. They are selecting to pretend that all cameras are the same and have been for the past 100 years.What's funny is Prince films his concerts. Its a control issue in his case as well as others. Maybe Prince has control issues, who knows. But definitely no more than a few fantatic people here. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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lastdecember said: To me you shouldnt be allowed to have shit with you. Im gettiing sick of every concert i go to i get that same dick next to me or in front of me, making calls during songs saying "yeah im here, where you at etc" and then of course he puts that cell phone up in the air and takes his crappy pics and video with his shit phone then he emails it to his dick friends and then calls them again, this goes on at every show! Take the phone and camera and shove them up your ass plain and simple as Billy Crystal said to an audience members whos phone kept ringing during a show.
And for the record PRINCE does not control Venue Rules, stop tinking that PRINCE has this power that he has NEVER HAD never will have. No one is disagreeing with concert etiquette - phone calls during the show and flash photography are very aggravating. The rules differ for different venues and artists DO have the ability to request that their shows have a no cameras clause for venues that don't have them so he and other artists DO have that power. My point it that it is unrealistic to think that people aren't going to film and take pictures BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS HAVE, REGARDLESS OF THE RULES and because they have, fans have gotten to see artists at shows and it has payed off for them. Concerts are exciting and with technology being what it is today, THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE PICTURES AND VIDEO - even moreso now than ever. It doesn't matter what you want it to be - that's the way it is. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: lastdecember said: To me you shouldnt be allowed to have shit with you. Im gettiing sick of every concert i go to i get that same dick next to me or in front of me, making calls during songs saying "yeah im here, where you at etc" and then of course he puts that cell phone up in the air and takes his crappy pics and video with his shit phone then he emails it to his dick friends and then calls them again, this goes on at every show! Take the phone and camera and shove them up your ass plain and simple as Billy Crystal said to an audience members whos phone kept ringing during a show.
And for the record PRINCE does not control Venue Rules, stop tinking that PRINCE has this power that he has NEVER HAD never will have. No one is disagreeing with concert etiquette - phone calls during the show and flash photography are very aggravating. The rules differ for different venues and artists DO have the ability to request that their shows have a no cameras clause for venues that don't have them so he and other artists DO have that power. My point it that it is unrealistic to think that people aren't going to film and take pictures BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS HAVE, REGARDLESS OF THE RULES and because they have, fans have gotten to see artists at shows and it has payed off for them. Concerts are exciting and with technology being what it is today, THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE PICTURES AND VIDEO - even moreso now than ever. It doesn't matter what you want it to be - that's the way it is. But he cant enforce rules where rules dont exist before. If he does he must pay the venue and the extra security out of pocket, and again, he isnt the only one that requests this, everyone will do it and the artists have to accept it, but also people have to remember when they post it on YouTube they now have distributed and broken the law, plain and simple. I just downloaded the new John Mayer last nite because i wanted to hear it early before everyone else, i broke the law, as did the person who did it, YES that is where technology is going or is now, but we also cant cry when we get busted for being a part of it either, cant pick and choose what is ok and what is not, or lay back on the "everyone else downloads" excuse. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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laurarichardson said: But people do you use the flash !!!
Yes! Because they're stupid... a flash won't do you any good at a concert... unless you're standing in the front row (and even then you're mostly too far away for it to have any effect on the thing you want to photograph), it only lights up the people standing around you and darkens the artist you actually want to take a picture off! lastdecember said: And for the record PRINCE does not control Venue Rules, stop tinking that PRINCE has this power that he has NEVER HAD never will have.
Of course he does! If he says pictures are allowed then no venuepersonell will ever bother you about taking pictures! And if he says no pictures then you can bet that all venuepersonell will harrass you if they catch you taking pictures! [Edited 11/12/09 11:21am] | |
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lastdecember said: But he cant enforce rules where rules dont exist before. If he does he must pay the venue and the extra security out of pocket, and again, he isnt the only one that requests this, everyone will do it and the artists have to accept it, but also people have to remember when they post it on YouTube they now have distributed and broken the law, plain and simple. I just downloaded the new John Mayer last nite because i wanted to hear it early before everyone else, i broke the law, as did the person who did it, YES that is where technology is going or is now, but we also cant cry when we get busted for being a part of it either, cant pick and choose what is ok and what is not, or lay back on the "everyone else downloads" excuse. Nobody said he was the only one that does it. I specifically called out Maxwell in another post. Regardless of the legalities ITS GOING TO HAPPEN. You can cry about laws all day and night but IN REALITY...YOU KNOW REALITY, RIGHT? IT DOES HAPPEN AND IS GOING TO HAPPEN. Funny thing about pictures and video is, its still yours legally because when you film/photograph - whether legally or illegally, the work still belongs to the author - which is whoever shoot the picture/video. Since it is protected as a work of art, another artist can not take it from the author if they are the subject. Laws are funny, huh? | |
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BlaqueKnight said: lastdecember said: But he cant enforce rules where rules dont exist before. If he does he must pay the venue and the extra security out of pocket, and again, he isnt the only one that requests this, everyone will do it and the artists have to accept it, but also people have to remember when they post it on YouTube they now have distributed and broken the law, plain and simple. I just downloaded the new John Mayer last nite because i wanted to hear it early before everyone else, i broke the law, as did the person who did it, YES that is where technology is going or is now, but we also cant cry when we get busted for being a part of it either, cant pick and choose what is ok and what is not, or lay back on the "everyone else downloads" excuse. Nobody said he was the only one that does it. I specifically called out Maxwell in another post. Regardless of the legalities ITS GOING TO HAPPEN. You can cry about laws all day and night but IN REALITY...YOU KNOW REALITY, RIGHT? IT DOES HAPPEN AND IS GOING TO HAPPEN. Funny thing about pictures and video is, its still yours legally because when you film/photograph - whether legally or illegally, the work still belongs to the author - which is whoever shoot the picture/video. Since it is protected as a work of art, another artist can not take it from the author if they are the subject. Laws are funny, huh? It depends though, if the venue has it as a rule, then you walking in and taking photos on their property and posting as "prince live at the nokia theater" that is against the law because they dont allow it, you got the camera in along with everyone else, but its still against their guidlines. Its against the law for me to take video of a bridge in NYC, despite if people do it or not, its still a law, that was written into the patriot act and voted on by the now president too. So the video footage is tricky, when you are on someones LEGAL property yes it is against the law. I cant go into starbucks and video the workers sereving coffee and post it, its private property. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Strangely enough, the original article that Bart posted contained a section mentioning Prince and linking to this very forum.
Don't know why Bart didn't post that bit. Check it out for yourselves, 7th paragraph down after the second picture of The Edge and Bono. http://news.cnet.com/8301...47-1_3-0-5 As far as this whole debate, well, once again Trent has the right idea. |
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moderatorWell Trent is far from the first doing this, I mean the whole bootlegging thing way back...it was the artists doing their own bootlegging to get around their labels. Prince actually had people inside concerts doing the Video Bootleg that would then circulate, this is well known, and he also isnt the first, tons of bands do this. As for photos, bands and artists ask their fans to take photos and post them, some artists have even used the photos for the actual live albums or artwork on their cds at times. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Militant said: Strangely enough, the original article that Bart posted contained a section mentioning Prince and linking to this very forum.
Don't know why Bart didn't post that bit. Check it out for yourselves, 7th paragraph down after the second picture of The Edge and Bono. http://news.cnet.com/8301...47-1_3-0-5 As far as this whole debate, well, once again Trent has the right idea. OMG, Prince is gonna love that...  Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: lastdecember said: But he cant enforce rules where rules dont exist before. If he does he must pay the venue and the extra security out of pocket, and again, he isnt the only one that requests this, everyone will do it and the artists have to accept it, but also people have to remember when they post it on YouTube they now have distributed and broken the law, plain and simple. I just downloaded the new John Mayer last nite because i wanted to hear it early before everyone else, i broke the law, as did the person who did it, YES that is where technology is going or is now, but we also cant cry when we get busted for being a part of it either, cant pick and choose what is ok and what is not, or lay back on the "everyone else downloads" excuse. Nobody said he was the only one that does it. I specifically called out Maxwell in another post. Regardless of the legalities ITS GOING TO HAPPEN. You can cry about laws all day and night but IN REALITY...YOU KNOW REALITY, RIGHT? IT DOES HAPPEN AND IS GOING TO HAPPEN. Funny thing about pictures and video is, its still yours legally because when you film/photograph - whether legally or illegally, the work still belongs to the author - which is whoever shoot the picture/video. Since it is protected as a work of art, another artist can not take it from the author if they are the subject. Laws are funny, huh? Regardless of the ownership issue, I think you'll find that there is much you can be held account for by obtaining a picture illiegally - yeah, it might be yours, but that then becomes the rub because it is not without consequence. Try simply taking a picture of a policeman in the UK and see where that gets you! (and, again, regardless of your claim to ownership, that picture WILL be confiscated!). And, really, what are you trying to suggest with all your "reality" talk? You think people don't know shit happens? You think people don't get mugged, robbed, burgled or worse, despite the fact that there are rules that say you can't do this? What are you really suggesting - that, because all this stuff happens, we should give up on controlling it and not have any rules at all? Cos, if not, please explain you're alternative. ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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I didn't offer an explanation. I simply stated what IS.
There will always be people taking pictures at concerts (flash and non flash) , there will always be security telling people to put their cameras away. Those are the facts. To be honest, I don't care one way or the other. I do agree that the battle against cameras is pointless to an extent. They have ALWAYS been at concerts and they will continue to be at concerts. With technology being what it is today, there will be a lot more of them at concerts than ever before. | |
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BartVanHemelen said To sum up: Prince loses by wanting to control something that can't be controlled, and he loses by NOT making money selling things fans want. I think that is a very good summary of pretty much most of Prince's career, unfortunately. He clamps down hard on bootleggers and YouTube vids, but doesn't give us the live albums and DVD's that we'd all pay good money for. I can totally appreciate that having poor-quality camera-phone videos of his shows online isn't the most flattering way to be seen, but like the article says, fans create word of mouth publicity - this is a GOOD thing. And they are only meeting a need that Prince isn't satisfying. This is not an exit | |
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BlaqueKnight said: I didn't offer an explanation. I simply stated what IS.
There will always be people taking pictures at concerts (flash and non flash) , there will always be security telling people to put their cameras away. Those are the facts. To be honest, I don't care one way or the other. I do agree that the battle against cameras is pointless to an extent. They have ALWAYS been at concerts and they will continue to be at concerts. With technology being what it is today, there will be a lot more of them at concerts than ever before. I know you didn't offer an explanation - that's why I asked you for one! So, you just maintain that some people will continue to do whatever they please - thanks for that fabulous insight  ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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rocknrolldave said: BartVanHemelen said To sum up: Prince loses by wanting to control something that can't be controlled, and he loses by NOT making money selling things fans want. I think that is a very good summary of pretty much most of Prince's career, unfortunately. He clamps down hard on bootleggers and YouTube vids, but doesn't give us the live albums and DVD's that we'd all pay good money for. I can totally appreciate that having poor-quality camera-phone videos of his shows online isn't the most flattering way to be seen, but like the article says, fans create word of mouth publicity - this is a GOOD thing. And they are only meeting a need that Prince isn't satisfying. Yeah - Prince is such a loser, eh? Look how much money he hasn't made! Look how he's fluked his way through 30 years in the business! He's so crap 
What gets me is why in the hell are any of you bothered about how successful he is? It shouldn't make the blindest bit of difference to any of you! Is it that you can't feel comfortable liking an artist unless there is mass acceptance of them with the general public? A lot of the artists I like never get near a Top 40 chart position - doesn't mean they're no good (in fact, quite the contrary!). And its even worse with those who seem to worry about him not grabbing every nickel he could - what is that about? Think anyone other than your partner worries about how much money you could be making? Why should you care about Prince's affairs in that regard? Not withstanding the fact that half the time here folks are calling him out for being too money-orientated! The only losers here are Bart and his minions who spend their lives finding fault with anything Prince does and feeling compelled to announce it to a world that they think gives a shit! This thread should be called "Bart's pointless nitpicking with everything Prince does". [Edited 11/13/09 5:12am] ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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Mindflux said: rocknrolldave said: BartVanHemelen said
I think that is a very good summary of pretty much most of Prince's career, unfortunately. He clamps down hard on bootleggers and YouTube vids, but doesn't give us the live albums and DVD's that we'd all pay good money for. I can totally appreciate that having poor-quality camera-phone videos of his shows online isn't the most flattering way to be seen, but like the article says, fans create word of mouth publicity - this is a GOOD thing. And they are only meeting a need that Prince isn't satisfying. Yeah - Prince is such a loser, eh? Look how much money he hasn't made! Look how he's fluked his way through 30 years in the business! He's so crap
What gets me is why in the hell are any of you bothered about how successful he is? It shouldn't make the blindest bit of difference to any of you! Is it that you can't feel comfortable liking an artist unless there is mass acceptance of them with the general public? A lot of the artists I like never get near a Top 40 chart position - doesn't mean they're no good (in fact, quite the contrary!). And its even worse with those who seem to worry about him not grabbing every nickel he could - what is that about? Think anyone other than your partner worries about how much money you could be making? Why should you care about Prince's affairs in that regard? Not withstanding the fact that half the time here folks are calling him out for being too money-orientated! The only losers here are Bart and his minions who spend their lives finding fault with anything Prince does and feeling compelled to announce it to a world that they think gives a shit! This thread should be called "Bart's pointless nitpicking with everything Prince does". [Edited 11/13/09 5:12am] Um...not sure why my post was quoted in your rant, but I don't think your comments are a fair reply to mine. I never said Prince was "a loser" or that he "fluked" anything. My issue is not with how much money he does or doesn't make, rather what he does or doesn't make available for his fans - who want to see/ hear it purely because they love the art of what he produces. This is not an exit | |
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Has anybody changed anybody else's mind yet? 
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Unless you're gonna ban cellphones from the arena,I don't see how any artist can stop fans from taking pics at concerts | |
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babynoz said:
Has anybody changed anybody else's mind yet?
Not this year..... | |
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