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BartVanHemelen said:

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Every concert I have ever attended you see signs saying no pics. I think the artist have some say but I think some of the venues are not to keen on it either.

In addtion, don't some of you think having people flash you all night while your trying to perform to be annoying. Is it really neccersary to document everything you do with film and pics?

xlr8r said:

That is exactly the thing.
He does not 'get' it.

At least, some of us deduce it to be just that.

xlr8r said:

Agreed. I think it is distracting to Prince and he loses his focus. Also when fans take pictures despite the bans, it just angers Prince and we all suffer when he gets annoyed and it takes away from his performance.

udo said:

lmao. He doesn't get it?

Some of you really think you're superior. I'd bet my life Prince DOES understand the many money making/fan friendly/insert-whatever-here possibilities that are around from artists like Trent etc.

Just because he doesn't use them or squeezes out something little by little in a so called 'inefficient manner' or so called 'stingy or subpar' way, doesn't mean he doesn't know what he could be doing. Yes, it makes you frustrated but then again, one would think that after almost 10-15 years or so of him not "getting it," YOU would "get it."


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xlr8r said:

Co-sign times 6.

toejam said:

It's about reliving the moment for some people. I know plenty of people who record shows with stealthy mics can't move, can't clap, can't sing along, and probably dread someone walking by them and talking or making noise, but its about trying to capture the night and reliving the memory. Sometimes an artist puts on a great show and its almost a crime to not be able to rehear the music or whatever.

I'm sure many people do take pics and record just for the hell of it, but many people do it so they can have it for later.

I think Bart and Boris both had excellent points.

It's not about NIN or Trent, it's about other bands embracing certain new formats to expand and continue interest in a catalog.

Yes Prince can do whatever he wants period.... but this is a discussion group with fans of all committment levels.

I personally don't see how having stuff on youtube would hurt your catalog.. It's bad quality but it allows someone to discover songs or artists and then pursue them in concert or via album media.

I loved and applauded rainbow children, however I hated 3121 and planet earth.
I also spent 3 days this week listening to the work set and enjoying the many great moments on it.... but I don't blindly eat everything he feeds me...

we can criticize and disagree...

BlaqueKnight said:

So u are saying Prince does not have the right do do what he is doing?

Marrk said:

Personally, I have the same issue. Though I'm a private citizen, I don't see how in the world Prince could ever hope to control how or when his photo is taken, or what's done with it afterward.

aalloca said:

I can dig where those guys are coming from and it's as good a topic to discuss as any. I guess I don't get too worried about it because I know that we have Boris and a whole host of people like him keeping a chronical of Prince's legacy as we speak. Thanks to them a lot of his legacy will get preserved regardless.

There's good points on both sides and you're right, it's cool that we can discuss and disagree so long as people don't start tearing each other's heads off about it as these threads tend to go.

Graycap23 said:

I'm saying that artists should be smart enough not to try to apply the old rules in the new age.
Like I said, with flash, its an understandable and reasonable complaint. Cameraphones and non flash - get real. Its NOT a distraction. The artist wouldn't even know when their picture is being taken.
Anyone could walk into a concert with an INK PEN WITH A CAMERA ON IT and record an entire concert if they wanted to. The technology is cheap and very doable. They can't stop it even if they wanted to.
The smart move is to embrace it and make it work for you.

BlaqueKnight said:

Prince puts on far to good of a show to be worried about filming it and taking pictures. It's about good music. not the latest gadgets.
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I don't see how Prince or anyone else is "losing out".

The only way you'd know about this is if you bought a ticket to his concerts. Which means he's already got your money.

Nobody here is gonna not go to a concert because they have a no photography policy.

This is a made up issue.

Whomever is performing at that particular venue pretty much owns that building for that night.

Whether it be the promoter, the record company, or the artist themselves.

They've paid for the venue, which means they can set the rules as they see fit.

I don't see how he's "avoiding new technology" when cameras have been around for a long time.

This article doesn't have anything to do with Prince, and doesn't mention Prince at all.

Graycap23 said:

oooh, SNAP!

Paris9748430 said:

Yet people have been taking pictures at concerts for years, despite the "rules", haven't they?
Also, cars have been around for years but an F-50 is a helluva lot faster than a Jalopy, isn't it? Camera technology hasn't been stagnant, either.
Most phones these days have cameras on them. They take pictures. They don't flash. If you're an artist, you are GOING to have your picture taken. It comes with the territory. If you're paranoid about it then perhaps its the wrong business to be in?
In Prince's case, he's just a dick about it. He knows the game, he just wants to try to control the rules.
Its a very dated way of thinking in an age where cameras are everywhere. You just can't turn back the clock and that's the way it is.

BlaqueKnight said:

So Prince "loses" because he's not "making as much money as he could be" and he doesn't want to be in this digital age which means he has "dated thinking?"

Prince came out when people REALLY did experience things. Back then the audience were IN THE MOMENT, not just "being there PLAYING papparazzi," like today.

Prince probably doesn't WANT to make as much money as he could. He has different values and he's powerful, famous, talented and rich enough to make choices which suit and his personal values. He knows what works for him and it's got nothing to do with what some fans thinks.

That's the problem with technology. Everybody body pushes buttons to get things they want and it becomes such a habit and way of life they think they can push buttons to change people too. So we have a generation of pushers who require that everything be on demand at their calling. And if the one not allowing it doesn't oblige, then "they" are a loser or there is something wrong with "their" thinking.

It's hilarious

xlr8r said:

And I too....co-sign.

I can't believe this!
Prince doesn't care!...silly ppl

Dayclear said:

prince aint my daddy and he should be happy ppl still want to take pix of his old ass

They ask people not to take pictures at shows for the same reason they don't want you to leave you cell phone on at the movies. It's fucking annoying to the people around you.
If you pay good money to go see any artist ansd the person in front of you wants to play photographer all night would you be annoyed. What if the person next to you kept blinding you every 4 seconds for the entire show.
Some artists don't want it at their shows for that simple reason. It's a distraction for them and the fans who came to watch the concert not just to upload it on Facebook.
When it's stated "No Flash Photography" that's because no flashes equals no distractions.

Christopher said:

While I'm paranoid about people with cameras myself (like Prince), this is really funny.

Prince's pointless battle against cameras at his concerts: *Prince is not the only one who does not want cameras at concerts.*
*If Trent allows cameras at concerts good for him.
*I understand why people want to take pictures at concerts but it is not the end of the world if musicians do not want cameras at concerts.
*If Prince was to sell prints of live photos I bet people would find something to complain about.( Price, How he looks and etc).
*Prince is Prince and Trent is Trent.

Christopher said:

Oh my damn...

Christopher said:

Well when you are at his concert he IS your daddy cause try and take a picture etc in the concert and watch your ass get treated like his red-headed stepchild.

i think cameras and film or GREAT for concerts because it gives people who werent able to be there werent there or couldnt be there a chance to see what they have missed flash those pictures people! i think almost every artist should have all of their concerts and shows filmed or professionally film so they could sell it on DVD for their fans to buy or whatever

aalloca said:

Indeed we should have the right to criticize any artist whether it's their music or business practices...I do it when it's warranted....In fact, a lot of folks on this board do it...

But it gets a little strange when practically all of my posts are spent criticizing one particular artist...

Being candid about not liking certain Prince albums is a straw man's argument as far as the original post goes...The real reason most folks in this thread have criticized this post is because it's coming from the usual suspect.....
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