ernestsewell said:

your the kind of person that always has to be right, huh?

i kid...i kid.

sosgemini said:

Nope not at all. I just really hate labels. My comment wasn't an attack on you, or a need to be right. Let me explain.

Let's think about this, just as an example for all things. What if it was true that ONLY the "demographic" for any show was truth. Only males 18-34 watched, Showtime, or only white soccer moms 25-50 watched The View. That's a very narrow state of being, isn't it? Who says a white dude, 41, who is off during the day, can't watch The View? Who says a soccer mom can't be interested in G4's Attack of the Show, or Heroes, or Star Trek? It's all very limiting. I HATE labels like that, and it only serves to keep society mentally segregated. It's just a tiny piece of a bigger puzzle.

All that said, it's very limiting, and unfair, to think that the people who are, allegedly, the biggest audience demographic of The View, have never heard of Teena Marie. Let's say that most of that audience of The View is roughly 40-45. Ish. Even when Teena had her biggest hit (arguably), "Lovergirl", those people were in high school, or not quite yet 21. They were probably very much into the radio and hearing new music of the times (like totally!). It's quite safe to say that most of those people know who she is, even if it's for one song. A few closer to 50 had probably heard a few older songs of Teena Marie's.

See my point? It's not that I want to be right, I just want to give folks the benefit of the doubt.

sosgemini said:

Nope not at all. I just really hate labels. My comment wasn't an attack on you, or a need to be right. Let me explain.

Let's think about this, just as an example for all things. What if it was true that ONLY the "demographic" for any show was truth. Only males 18-34 watched, Showtime, or only white soccer moms 25-50 watched The View. That's a very narrow state of being, isn't it? Who says a white dude, 41, who is off during the day, can't watch The View? Who says a soccer mom can't be interested in G4's Attack of the Show, or Heroes, or Star Trek? It's all very limiting. I HATE labels like that, and it only serves to keep society mentally segregated. It's just a tiny piece of a bigger puzzle.

All that said, it's very limiting, and unfair, to think that the people who are, allegedly, the biggest audience demographic of The View, have never heard of Teena Marie. Let's say that most of that audience of The View is roughly 40-45. Ish. Even when Teena had her biggest hit (arguably), "Lovergirl", those people were in high school, or not quite yet 21. They were probably very much into the radio and hearing new music of the times (like totally!). It's quite safe to say that most of those people know who she is, even if it's for one song. A few closer to 50 had probably heard a few older songs of Teena Marie's.

See my point? It's not that I want to be right, I just want to give folks the benefit of the doubt.
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Harlepolis said:

That's nonsense. "Demographic" is a bullshit word made up by people who think they know something , to label people they don't. Not only middle aged, married, white women watch The View, guarantee you. Don't buy into that demographic bullshit.

ernestsewell said:

I buy into the bulk of people who go to her shows, and 90% of them are people of color

ernestsewell said:

I buy into the bulk of people who go to her shows, and 90% of them are people of color

Harlepolis said:

Real talk, most of her audience are our color @ you and me, Harley.

Timmy84 said:

Harlepolis said:

That's nonsense. "Demographic" is a bullshit word made up by people who think they know something , to label people they don't. Not only middle aged, married, white women watch The View, guarantee you. Don't buy into that demographic bullshit.

ernestsewell said:

"Race" is a made up word to but Lord know it's been used to do and not all types of stuff, isn't it?

Everyone I know that works in TV/radio will tell that demographic study's are done and or used; silly, stupid, or unfair they are used religiously. It's my understanding one of the main reason Seinfield and his supporting cast was able to get such a big monetary paydays (and for him residual payments) was because his show was able to lure young men/men to watch TV. It's my understanding 18 to 42 age group don't as watch much TV and they are hardest audience to reach, with the exception of sports. Hence NBC was able to charge more for advertising.

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You can say all that nice open minded stuff, but most white people I've ever known/met have known very little of Teena. Many have been like until you mention or play "Lovergirl" and then they go "OH yeah! I've heard this song!".

I agree demographics can be limiting (there are exceptions to everything of course), but I also think there's some truth to them. I don't think it's all about segregating folk (on any kind of deep level) necessarily. Sometimes things just are what they are.

johnart said:

Yes there is a bit of truth, but my point is that NO demographic is set in stone, or is absolute truth in ANY situation.

The "segregation" thing comes from a bigger train of thought that says "You tell people something long enough, they'll believe it". Certain groups of people are fed certain things, and that just becomes their "normal". Minor example: cigarette ads in urban areas. Cigarette ads at the eye level of a child. I believe demographics would change, or disappear, if people thought outside the box, in general.

The point of my explanation is that the demographic of The View, or anyone who works on that show (and we don't know who works on that show, as people, only as names on a screen) could be "hip" enough to know who Teena Marie is, and it isn't only the two black women on the panel that are hip to Teena's music. Teena's been around for a long time, so her appeal is really noted not by the two black women knowing who she is, but the two black women being 30 years apart in age. That's all.

ernestsewell said:

I get what you're saying. But while the two black women being 30 years apart in age truly is a testament to Teena's success, I think something could be said for the fact that the other women are more than 30 years appart (Hasselbitch to Barb, what is that like 72 years appart? ) and I don't even remember one of them chiming in on Teena being there in the least. They all kinda sat back like "this is totally Sherri's thing".

johnart said:

Harlepolis said:

Did they not?

ernestsewell said:

Isn't this Teena's first network appearance ever? I just don't buy that the producers are hip enough to even know who Teena is...they seem to go after the "starbucks" artist. If I see Michael Bublee (or whatever his name is) on The View one more time I am going to scream.

And Teena's PR people suck, I am not giving them credit for this appearance. This is, what? Her third CD with this label? Or is it second? All I know is she got zero media attention for her latest efforts. The only media blip she seemed to receive was for her god awful award show appearance w/ Rick James.

And what the hell was she wearing today? And how come nobody fixed her hair? I know these things don't matter when you are musically as awesome as Teena but the girl could have worn something that at least complimented her new body...

Oh oh oh, I loved the medley but sadly it proved how lacking her new material is. That new song is horrid.
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johnart said:

Harlepolis said: